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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28304888 - 05/03/23 12:33 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: I think I understand what you're saying kind of. Identity is fluid and "That community becomes your identity. You don't just smoke weed, you're now a stoner. You don't just vote republican or democrat, you are a republican or a democrat.
Some people find that community in LGBT spaces. Their first fully formed identity becomes...LGBT or whatever. Sometimes that is the identity that first forms. Because we cannot accept a person as they are. John? John who? John Smith, oh, okay, I see. And since certain people have found it advantageous to fragment society into bloodlines and Smith is simply your surname and not your occupation, what do you do, john smith? John smith is an assistant manager at walmart, eh? Solid, solid. Decent job, probably pulling a solid 80k in a big city."
But It's like Shiva said I don't like anyone with a one dimensional personality.
We all have a basic identity like I've been taking care of my dad for 15 years now so on the surface I have the identity of "caretaker" but I have other interests and dreams and hobbies and can talk about anything and everything.
For someone that always wants to talk about one subject especially if it's all about themselves or a cause of some sort I just really don't like that type of personality. Now that I think about it I feel the same way about vegans that are all about being vegan and always telling you how much better you'll feel, how bad it is for the earth etc. It's not because of their belief or lifestyle it's just having that be the only dimension of your personality.
Do you think that people who have a very singular identity should be criminalized?
Also, speaking of identity, you know that these anti-trans laws will be used to police appearance. A six foot biological woman built like a brick shithouse will automatically be assumed trans, as will short men that don't have adequate facial hair.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Kryptos]
#28304983 - 05/03/23 01:44 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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My old landlord once bragged to me about getting a blowjob in a Home Depot parking lot from a hot Filipina he met inside the store and I'm not gonna lie, I automatically assumed trans.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: ballsalsa]
#28304989 - 05/03/23 01:49 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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When I got a blow job from a midget, it made my dick look much bigger when it was grabbed.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb] 1
#28305036 - 05/03/23 02:28 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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rxb said: i guarantee that someone finds you just as annoying as you find those people.
thats called being different from others. and when you hate differences, thats called bigotry.
and when you are a bigot, you hate freedom
and hating freedom is anti-american.
its a whole lot easier to grow up and realize that we are ALL weirdos in our own way... and accept people for the weirdos we are... and thats why we have the bill of rights because of bigots.
I'm sure some people find me annoying too and if they didn't want to hang out with me they don't have to. But just stop with that bigot shit, I'm not a bigot because I don't like people with one dimensional personalities. I accept people no matter who they are but accepting and liking hanging out with them are 2 different things. I also don't like self proclaimed "alphas" because of their lack of personality, am I bigoted towards alphas. Or do I just not like them.
If you're suggesting I can't dislike SOME gay people based on their character I'd argue you really don't treat them equally.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28305119 - 05/03/23 03:34 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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It is very possible to be indiffernt to other people, and not hate or disrespect.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28305130 - 05/03/23 03:42 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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rxb said: i guarantee that someone finds you just as annoying as you find those people.
thats called being different from others. and when you hate differences, thats called bigotry.
and when you are a bigot, you hate freedom
and hating freedom is anti-american.
its a whole lot easier to grow up and realize that we are ALL weirdos in our own way... and accept people for the weirdos we are... and thats why we have the bill of rights because of bigots.
I'm sure some people find me annoying too and if they didn't want to hang out with me they don't have to. But just stop with that bigot shit, I'm not a bigot because I don't like people with one dimensional personalities. I accept people no matter who they are but accepting and liking hanging out with them are 2 different things. I also don't like self proclaimed "alphas" because of their lack of personality, am I bigoted towards alphas. Or do I just not like them.
If you're suggesting I can't dislike SOME gay people based on their character I'd argue you really don't treat them equally.
at no point did i call you a bigot. if you felt some resemblance to what i said thats on you.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
#28305133 - 05/03/23 03:44 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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"thats called being different from others. and when you hate differences, thats called bigotry.
and when you are a bigot, you hate freedom
and hating freedom is anti-american."
You were strongly implying it
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28305139 - 05/03/23 03:49 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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those are just facts.
not facts that i feel apply to you specifically.. if you think they apply to you then maybe change your ways.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
#28305144 - 05/03/23 03:53 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Bigotry isn't necessarily founded on hate though. There are plenty of bigots who are just ignorant.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Enlil]
#28305150 - 05/03/23 03:56 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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but hating differences (what i said) is always bigotry, sometimes ignorance is just ignorance.
like im ignorant on many issues, but i dont think im bigoted on any.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
#28305151 - 05/03/23 03:58 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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But you also said that when you are a bigot, you hate freedom. There are plenty of bigots who don't hate anyone.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb] 1
#28305157 - 05/03/23 04:02 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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It just seemed like you were saying because I don't like certain gay peoples personalities that I "hate their differences" and therefore I'm a bigot. If that's not what you meant thats fine.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Enlil]
#28305160 - 05/03/23 04:04 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Enlil said: But you also said that when you are a bigot, you hate freedom. There are plenty of bigots who don't hate anyone.
being bigoted is hating the freedom to be whatever you are bigoted against... so my assessment is correct. what was the example you were thinking of?
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28305170 - 05/03/23 04:07 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: It just seemed like you were saying because I don't like certain gay peoples personalities that I "hate their differences" and therefore I'm a bigot. If that's not what you meant thats fine.
no offense but i havent spent enough time thinking about you to even have a glimpse of an opinion on if you are or are not a bigot.
and frankly i dont think its my job to decide. unless you make it super in my face and ugly.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
#28305303 - 05/03/23 05:33 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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rxb said:
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Enlil said: But you also said that when you are a bigot, you hate freedom. There are plenty of bigots who don't hate anyone.
being bigoted is hating the freedom to be whatever you are bigoted against... so my assessment is correct. what was the example you were thinking of?
Someone who thinks black people are more likely to commit crime may be bigoted in that belief and still love freedom.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Enlil]
#28305742 - 05/03/23 11:20 PM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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i suppose. not really the spirit of what i wrote but shrug.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
#28305776 - 05/04/23 12:15 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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That was the problem with our interaction i truly didn't understand your point
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28305985 - 05/04/23 07:03 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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what i said was straight forward.
enlil isnt failing to understand me, nor does he think im wrong, he has a war on common usage because he likes to troll that way.
theres really nothing confusing about what i said.
his arguement was that there is a narrow case usage of the word where by he could dismantle my point by focusing on the other case usage.
he does this every day... with tons of people. it derails conversations and adds nothing to the debate.
its purely a disruptive trolling... you on the other hand want to make a pretty straight forward statement that wasnt about you, about you, and so you are upset about it.
not my problem.
bigots (outside of enlils one usage) very often hate the things they are bigoted against.... enlil is using bigoted as BIASED is used which softens the case and makes the statement less effective.
bigotry however, is OFTEN expressed as a form of hate. if a bigot hates black people, they hate the black persons right to BE black... thats a hatrid of freedom... it isnt confusing at all.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
#28307151 - 05/05/23 02:00 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: what i said was straight forward.
enlil isnt failing to understand me, nor does he think im wrong, he has a war on common usage because he likes to troll that way.
theres really nothing confusing about what i said.
his arguement was that there is a narrow case usage of the word where by he could dismantle my point by focusing on the other case usage.
he does this every day... with tons of people. it derails conversations and adds nothing to the debate.
its purely a disruptive trolling... you on the other hand want to make a pretty straight forward statement that wasnt about you, about you, and so you are upset about it.
not my problem.
bigots (outside of enlils one usage) very often hate the things they are bigoted against.... enlil is using bigoted as BIASED is used which softens the case and makes the statement less effective.
bigotry however, is OFTEN expressed as a form of hate. if a bigot hates black people, they hate the black persons right to BE black... thats a hatrid of freedom... it isnt confusing at all.
All enlil did was weigh in on a conversation with something relevant to your argument and putting his opinion in. You didn't agree with his opinion yet you characterize him as "derailing every conversation and disruptive trolling". Do you believe that's fair?
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28307237 - 05/05/23 05:12 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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try to stay on topic.
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