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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28302666 - 05/01/23 08:02 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

I would  say that I don't like it when people make their sexual preferences their whole personality and identity. There's plenty of gay people that talk about normal shit and maybe mention their love life on occasion like everyone else i respect the hell outta those people. But having people make it their identity and talk about lgtq stuff all the time I just see as pretentious and self absorbed


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #28302676 - 05/01/23 08:11 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

Yeah, but do you feel the same way about straight sexuality?

I'd say that a solid 50% of entertainment in general, including for children, is about the glorification of heterosexual identity. Hell, the entire plot of the majority of Disney movies are about heterosexual identity being the most powerful thing in the world. There are several entire movie genres about heterosexual identity overcoming adversity, as well as a heterosexual identity main side plot in the movies which are not entirely dedicated to heterosexual identity, and how the characters are very straight and very heterosexual.

As a matter of fact, it's usually weird when you *don't* have heterosexual identity shoved into your face when you see the movies. Like, movies without clear displays of heterosexual identity are normally called out for it. Ironically, movies are usually called out for a lack of obvious heavyhanded heterosexual identity by the kind of people that are very concerned about homosexual identity being "shoved" in their faces.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28302679 - 05/01/23 08:16 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28302691 - 05/01/23 08:27 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

I live by Seattle.

I understand your opinion completely.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
    #28302696 - 05/01/23 08:27 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

And it's not just movies, either. I mean, shit. Advertisement? heterosexuals. Music? Fuckin' all about heterosexual...fucking. Hell, if I look out the window, I see some heterosexuals holding hands openly ON THE STREET in front OF MY HOUSE where MY KIDS CAN SEE!

We need to control these heterosexuals, because they are simply out of control. Did you know the majority of pedophiles and mass shooters are heterosexual? WE NEED SOME ANSWERS HERE, and until we have some we really need to lock these heterosexuals up. Just until we can figure things out.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #28302701 - 05/01/23 08:30 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

I also understand feeling liberated and wanting to share.
Obviously that doesn't apply to the mother of young children. BUT
I dont know her background or her feelings.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28302730 - 05/01/23 08:43 PM (8 months, 23 days ago)

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In my life I don't have people telling me they are heterosexual.  I guess my friends and family don't feel the need to tell me stuff like that.

I've certainly never ever had a parent introduce me to their young 3 or 4 or 5 year old as being heterosexual.



I didn't say tell you. They make it clear though on the daily.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: loladoreen]
    #28302886 - 05/01/23 10:25 PM (8 months, 22 days ago)

people sayin' ¨my wife this"and "my husband that" like we want to know what goes on in your bedroom....


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28303018 - 05/02/23 04:52 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

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Have you ever faked a different sexuality just to fit in?




My brother lives in Seattle and is a very liberal Democrat.  He rolls his eyes as he tells me about his 11-year-old daughter, who has a large group of friends who spend a lot of time talking about gender, sex, trans people, and pronouns. It's a constant source of interest to these kids (especially the constantly changing pronouns), and a significant part of daily conversations.  Some girls have decided they are homosexual and wear "Proud to Be Gay" shirts.




So are you an 11 year old girl or are your thoughts irrelevant?

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In my life I don't have people telling me they are heterosexual.  I guess my friends and family don't feel the need to tell me stuff like that.

I've certainly never ever had a parent introduce me to their young 3 or 4 or 5 year old as being heterosexual.




Lol, yes you have. They do it constantly, it's so normal your brain doesn't even realize it.

For example, has one of those young 3, 4, or 5 year olds you seem to spend so much time with ever mentioned their mother? Because the word 'mother' is an expression of heterosexual gender identity.



Would the book "Mary has two mommies"(I may have the title wrong) be a story of heterosexual identity? Can't mother be ascribed to whoever the child feels is more motherly?


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28303089 - 05/02/23 06:55 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

Movies are to entertain and make money. Other sexualities compared to a  heterosexual lifestyle are a fraction of a fraction proportionally, it makes perfect sense why the plots are the way they are. It's the audience and marketing.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28303110 - 05/02/23 07:15 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

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Movies are to entertain and make money. Other sexualities compared to a  heterosexual lifestyle are a fraction of a fraction proportionally, it makes perfect sense why the plots are the way they are. It's the audience and marketing.




i dont think that has anything to do with the point that subjecting the minority group to standards not associated with the majority group is unreasonable... which was the point if you missed it.

people get outraged about non-normative people expressing their love in ways that hetero-normative people do CONSTANTLY and everywhere and in movies and in books. and when books show something unusual its grooming, or is trying to trick some child into being trans... or its outright banned from schools ... etc.

thats where it gets funny, because if you ban any book, by almost any standard you have to ban the bible, because its likely in there... murder, rape, incest, graphical pornographic depictions of sex, animal cruelty, magic, demons, slavery, torture, child sex slavery, the bible has all these things and more.

the double standards are massive, and most people cant even see them. because a hetero-normative couple kissing infront of a cafe doesnt shock their senses, they dont even notice. but when it deviates even a little from the norm their tiny brains crack under the pressure of a misplaced penis.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28303140 - 05/02/23 07:36 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

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Kryptos said:
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Kryptos said:

Have you ever faked a different sexuality just to fit in?




My brother lives in Seattle and is a very liberal Democrat.  He rolls his eyes as he tells me about his 11-year-old daughter, who has a large group of friends who spend a lot of time talking about gender, sex, trans people, and pronouns. It's a constant source of interest to these kids (especially the constantly changing pronouns), and a significant part of daily conversations.  Some girls have decided they are homosexual and wear "Proud to Be Gay" shirts.




So are you an 11 year old girl or are your thoughts irrelevant?

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In my life I don't have people telling me they are heterosexual.  I guess my friends and family don't feel the need to tell me stuff like that.

I've certainly never ever had a parent introduce me to their young 3 or 4 or 5 year old as being heterosexual.




Lol, yes you have. They do it constantly, it's so normal your brain doesn't even realize it.

For example, has one of those young 3, 4, or 5 year olds you seem to spend so much time with ever mentioned their mother? Because the word 'mother' is an expression of heterosexual gender identity.



Would the book "Mary has two mommies"(I may have the title wrong) be a story of heterosexual identity? Can't mother be ascribed to whoever the child feels is more motherly?




Well, that's an interesting situation. It's a book trying to use heterosexual identity signifiers to show the homosexual identity can exist as well. Saying that someone has "two mommies" is clearly alluding to homosexual identity, but it is framed in heterosexual terms (mommies) because those are so prevalent, so normalized within society, that even small children are very well acquainted with heterosexual gender identity. It is a good analogy because even a two year old knows about heterosexual social norms, from all the heterosexuality being shoved in their face from birth.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb] * 1
    #28303180 - 05/02/23 08:36 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

Didn't miss any point. If homosexuality or any other sexuality was more prevalent, it would be reflected in the society itself. Can you point to a time in human history in which any other sexuality was more prevalent than heterosexuality?


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28303220 - 05/02/23 09:18 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

Well, the point that I was trying to make is that expressing sexual identity is not a problem for society, and sexual identity is an integral part of the media landscape, because it is an integral part of being a human.

The fact that the majority of sexual identity being pushed in society happens to align with the majority sexual identity is not surprising.

I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of complaining about non-majority sexual identity being represented, while considering open expressions of majority sexual identity to be not only okay for children, but good and necessary.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Kryptos] * 4
    #28303248 - 05/02/23 09:48 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

It’s not about how people dress, who they love or have sex with.

It’s the changes to language, the changes in elementary school textbooks, public indecency, sexualization of children, unfair sporting advantages, etc...

There is a concerted effort to conflate the social impact with the identity crisis. Sexual identity was never public content, expressing yourself sexually was always bound to the private domain, anybody who breached this was considered a pervert and criminal.

I’ve shared my own stories here but I have family members who had gender reaffirming hormones and surgeries only to regret it and become depressive. I have seen nudity and sexual acts celebrated IN PUBLIC, I have seen sexual ALL AGES drag performances tour the country, men in dresses enter female bathrooms at arcades, malls and other all ages venues. I have seen people assaulted and harassed for deadnaming and misgendering....

My acknowledgement of the social impact of this new and vile movement has nothing to do with my opinion on who you have sex with and who you see yourself as.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28303262 - 05/02/23 10:00 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

Oddly enough, I've had the exact opposite experience - so I guess my anecdotal experience cancels out your anecdotal experience.

Do you have anything more substantial to support your claims? Perhaps a peer reviewed study or two that examines this "new and vile movement" in a more objective light?


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: NotSheekle] * 2
    #28303270 - 05/02/23 10:08 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

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It’s the changes to language, the changes in elementary school textbooks, public indecency, sexualization of children, unfair sporting advantages, etc...




change to language? dunno what you mean.
change to textbooks? they change every year
public indecency? please elaborate?
sexualization of children?  how does this relate at all to trans
unfair sporting advantages. your only point i think.

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There is a concerted effort to conflate the social impact with the identity crisis. Sexual identity was never public content, expressing yourself sexually was always bound to the private domain, anybody who breached this was considered a pervert and criminal.




an effort by whom? where? can you give an example from life, which actually happened and can be confirmed?


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I’ve shared my own stories here but I have family members who had gender reaffirming hormones and surgeries only to regret it and become depressive.




correlation doesnt imply causation, depression is hard, and can be a confounding factor or just a seperate issue.

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I have seen nudity and sexual acts celebrated IN PUBLIC, I have seen sexual ALL AGES drag performances tour the country, men in dresses enter female bathrooms at arcades, malls and other all ages venues. I have seen people assaulted and harassed for deadnaming and misgendering....




drag shows have been all ages since the 1920s, probably before...drag shows have been around for a long time, i went to the oldest camp in the world, it had a long history of men in drag... all of shakesphere's plays contained drag performances and all are considered to be all audiences and have been for ever.


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My acknowledgement of the social impact of this new and vile movement has nothing to do with my opinion on who you have sex with and who you see yourself as.




uhm, it kinda does.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb] * 2
    #28303293 - 05/02/23 10:32 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

*A man and a woman aggressively make out at the end of every children's movie ever*

Conservatives: this is perfectly normal.

*A man and a man make out at the end of a movie*

Conservatives: why am I so hard?


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: NotSheekle] * 1
    #28303295 - 05/02/23 10:32 AM (8 months, 22 days ago)

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expressing yourself sexually was always bound to the private domain, anybody who breached this was considered a pervert and criminal.





ok puritan.
:loldongs:

why should expressed sexuality be perverse or criminal? thats total horse shit. remember when elbows were taboo?

and if ur worried about sexualization of children im sure you find u-18 girls with ear piercings to be preserve and child abuse. correct?


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
    #28303753 - 05/02/23 04:26 PM (8 months, 22 days ago)

You see the difference is it went from having fun playing dress-up to saying that trannys are literal women. Its not even in the same ballpark


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