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Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) * 1
    #28292164 - 04/23/23 08:58 PM (9 months, 1 hour ago)

So I've had alot of different feelings and opinions on this topic overtime and I hear alot of two extremes "support Trans people no matter what their opinion is and all kids should be able to choose their gender" and on the other extreme "Trans people are demons, pedophiles, less then human, corrupting and grooming kids to be lgbtq" and more and more hateful and frankly dangerous rhetoric

But I'd like to belive most people are more rational and compassionate then this. I believe in a much more nuisanced situation where we can disagree on certain specific lgbtq issues and agree on others.

The problem is whenever I say I disagree with a certain lgbtq issue i get called a transphobe and the conversation ends instead of having a meaningful conversation about the pros and cons of something like young kids on hormones and transitioning.

I think that as a kid/young teen you are very maliable and don't understand your emotions very well,social pressure is first and foremost. Wanting to feel excepted excepted, experiencing depression for the first time, wanting to make radical changes like dying your hair, getting a piercing etc etc

Is it then fair to say there's 2 types of gay/Trans kids the ones born that way or the ones trying to find some excptance or some other deep seeded problem or societal pressure they had?

The majority of studies Ive seen report a pretty high rate of regret from trans kids that transitioned at 14 or so and were asked again at 18 and that makes sense to me that maybe you didnt really know what you wanted and was a phase that became permanent.

I saw a pride documentary about a spefic high-school in Europe that has 80% of their students identifying as LGBTQ. Now it's pretty clear that 80% of the world's population is not LGBTQ I think even people in that community could agree to that. To me that shows in that school that there's proportionally more lgbtq  students then there are lgbtq people in the world.

So I think it poses real questions like: before the age of 18 do you think there is the added elements of wanting to feel accepted, wanting to make a radical change, being legitimately confused about sexuality, not knowing what you want yet due to lack of life experience etc.


I'm saying all of this to get to a point that I support kids who believe they're trans maybe dont believe in hormone treatments but i believe they should be treated like every other child and respected by their peers and not made fun of. I do think that they should hold off on deciding sexuality and orientation until they live more but thats okay. I support adult trans people across the board except maybe in combat sports but other then that I'll fight tooth and nail to make sure you can be who you want to be, love who you want to love, I will call you what you want to be called all of that.

But as soon as I say my opinions on the few lgbtq issues I have a differing opinions on then the lgbtq  community lumps me into the people calling them demons, lobbying for trans parents to have their kids taken away and truly despicable things and that hurts the civil discourse and the lgbtq cause in my mind.

People somewhat like me that just believed that kids should grow up first before altering themselves chemically to make sure it's what they truly are and need and people that don't believe in specifically male to female trans women competing against women in combat sports are increasingly sharing those opinions to trans people they call them names and call them horrible human beings and alot of them say screw you now I'm going to hate all lgbtq people.

What are your views on this?

What lgbtq issues can you disagree with without bring homophobic or transphobic ?

If you're lbtq I'd particularly like to know if you think I have reasonable points that are views you may not share but can respect? or am I just an evil prick to you?


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 2
    #28292255 - 04/23/23 11:23 PM (8 months, 30 days ago)

1) trans people

everyone has a right to live their lives that way, and should have the right to do so without being ridiculed or persecuted for being how they feel and are. this goes to the 1st amendments freedom of expression.

2) trans people in bathrooms

i think trans people should be able to pee and poop. i dont think gender specific bathrooms makes any sense at all. have stalls with full doors that close, have sinks we all use. the issue seems to be that half the goober rednecks dont want a dick coming out of a skirt to pee, and the other half of the goober rednecks dont want someone who looks like a woman in the mens restroom. but trans people make up less than 1 percent of the population so im not sure why this is a big deal one way or the other. bottom line is it really shouldnt make a difference which bathroom they use.

3) trans people in sports.

it does seem that there is some level of people who all their lives have been failed male athletes, better than most people but not ranking against other men, who switch sides just to dominate against women, and if thats acceptable somehow i dont know why we should bother having womens events at all. there are somethings like chess, where it wouldnt really matter what gender you are but if extra height, muscle mass, arm length, are involved in winning, i think either that it should fall to the sex you were born with or we should have a trans category of that sport.

4) drag shows for children

it really depends on the content. ronald reagan hosted a drag show for children and no one thought it was wrong, it was just good fun, when uncle milty did it, children watched and it was just good fun. when flip wilson did it, it was just good fun. now suddenly its depraved and sexual. thats fucking stupid

in conclusion, theres nothing wrong with letting people be who they are. if you were born female and you identify as a man and you have a child you shouldnt have to be refereed to as the mother if you dont want to be. it doesnt effect the guy up the street who thinks it matters so much.

the US is about being able to persue happiness and for some people that means being very different than you, and thats when we have to be patriots and fight for peoples right to be different. and we have to strive to find fairness and equality for everyone regardless of whatever issues they may be facing.

and if you disagree. then atleast do so compassionately because if someone feels like they are trapped in the wrong body, then one way or another they are going through a really difficult time in their life, and just like anyone else with a medical or psychological problem (and this could be either) we should treat them with compassion and respect, and try to make allowances where we can.

finally, these people make up a TINY portion of the population so they shouldnt take up 90+ percent of the talking points of a news program or a talk show or a politicians speach.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
    #28292340 - 04/24/23 01:23 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

Totally agreed.

A tough issue though is kids under 18 getting hormone therapy and transitioning. I'm split if that person ends up being trans 20 years later and says I wish I was able to transition at 16 I feel a little bad. If they transition at 14-16 and by 18-20 they have regrets I feel like that's irreversible. At least making the decision at 18 to 20 yeah you had to go through some uncomfortable shitty years but now you're absolutely sure.

What do you think?


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #28292404 - 04/24/23 04:05 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

I view the trans issue much like being gay.
20 years ago the general consensus was that homosexuality was immoral and wrong disgusting had no place in society.

Now people understand it really isn't the person's choice which gender they are attracted to.

How is that any different than someone feeling like they are not the gender that they were born.

Having said that. I don't agree with how society is handling it.

Drag show story time  for kids is wrong. They are kids let them be innocent.

Young people are being manipulated by poeple who don't know what's best.

They are being told they will feel right if they medically alter themselves with hormones or surgeries. But being sold a fantasy of expectations. While the vast majority of people who do this are not fulfilled.


Parents often don't accept their kids when they do come out of the closet. And if they can't talk to their parents they will talk to the internet. And that place is filled with creeps.

Surgury is for life. Hormone therapy has to be continued for life and has many many health risks and psychological risks associated.

Alot of these issues could be better understood and supported if people lived a healthy lifestyle with good communication and healthy support networks.

But most of the population is eating themselves into obesity and devouring television and social media.

My daughter is trans. I am trying to teach about healthy lifestyle choices. How having a healthy mind and body is more important than what gender you appear to be.

She could have just as easily started talking to someone on the internet telling her she needs medical intervention to be happy.

I'm grateful she feels like she can talk to me. Her mother isn't very supportive about it.
And I'm not sure the rest of the family will be either.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #28292513 - 04/24/23 06:59 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

i hate to cop out of that one, but you are right its tough

i think that some people know things when they are young. but i think unknowns are hard to deal with. when i was 8 i wanted a tatoo so bad. now i dont really like them, save for a select few on anyone. and had some bad parents let me have a tatoo at 8... i could have had it removed which cant be done with alot of these surgeries.

for the MOST part, in non-extreme cases i think we can probably just tell them to ride it out, at least to 15...but probably to 18. and then in extreme cases who knows. im not sure its the governments place to regulate, maybe the FDA but not congress

i also dont feel like wanting a tatoo is the same as feeling like you are in the wrong body. not at all, its really just the closest i can come to understanding. i also dont know what these laws would do to people who are born intersex´d clinefelders and hermaphrodites and the like, theres two or three more variations these people are naturally sort of trans, and sometimes doctors and parents make decisions about their genitals at birth... and sometimes even when they dont developent and growth means something medically has to be done. i dont think we should make any laws that restrict a doctor from being able to do what NEEDS to be done, situationally.

its a very tough issue. my thoughts are ALSO that it may be a growing issue but its still a VERY small number of people for whom this is even an issue which we need to solve or regulate. such that we probably DONT need laws that blanket everyone. guidelines and ethics is probably enough


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb] * 1
    #28292530 - 04/24/23 07:31 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

People seem to think that trans kids get surgery.

They do not.

People seem to think that trans surgery is easy to get.

It is not.

People seem to think that there isn't years of counseling factored in that decision.

There is.

Also, anyone that goes to a drag story hour and gets sexually aroused, that's entirely on you and your weird fetishes. It's not sexy. If you think a man wearing a dress is inherently sexy, well, you might have a calling as a Catholic priest.

Oh, and anyone that is simultaneously concerned about children doing permanent damage to their bodies and against puberty blockers (which prevent irreversible changes to the body) is a hypocrite. That's really how you can tell that anti trans people have no legitimate concerns besides "I think those people are icky and should therefore be killed".


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Abombs]
    #28292567 - 04/24/23 07:54 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

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Drag show story time  for kids is wrong. They are kids let them be innocent.




its just a guy in a dress...reagan hosted a drag show for kids...with dancing, and such, not reading kids books... i think the story hour is ok. if the drag queen reads penthouse forum i have a dif position.

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Young people are being manipulated by poeple who don't know what's best.





everywhere all the time on all kinds of issue... religion especially i imagine you mean something to do with trans people but shrug....where is this happening. hell you are an adult and im pretty sure you got manipulated to feel like kids are being manipulated into being trans. which they are not.


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They are being told they will feel right if they medically alter themselves with hormones or surgeries. But being sold a fantasy of expectations. While the vast majority of people who do this are not fulfilled.




when and where did this happen? did it ever once happen? or did you just believe some closet case in a suit?

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Parents often don't accept their kids when they do come out of the closet. And if they can't talk to their parents they will talk to the internet. And that place is filled with creeps.




ok...

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Surgury is for life. Hormone therapy has to be continued for life and has many many health risks and psychological risks associated.




i agree, it should be a case by case decision made with all the right people and not involve politicians making blanket laws


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Alot of these issues could be better understood and supported if people lived a healthy lifestyle with good communication and healthy support networks.




hmm...who are these people living unhealthy lives just like...general parents and kids?


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My daughter is trans. I am trying to teach about healthy lifestyle choices. How having a healthy mind and body is more important than what gender you appear to be.

She could have just as easily started talking to someone on the internet telling her she needs medical intervention to be happy.

I'm grateful she feels like she can talk to me. Her mother isn't very supportive about it.
And I'm not sure the rest of the family will be either.




well then her mother and the rest of the family are willing to eat their own for a political issue and thats fucking nuts


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #28292593 - 04/24/23 08:28 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

If you listen when people express their opinions you can usually tell if its a lack of education on the topic or not.
Most are uneducated on it and refuse to learn.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 5
    #28292671 - 04/24/23 09:42 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

Here’s the thing: there are no “two extremes.”

On one side you have LGBTQ people asking for their right to exist.

On the other you have people discriminating against them.

We have to pretend this is some contentious, rational debate simply because certain people think the idea of being trans is weird. That’s it.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28292913 - 04/24/23 12:34 PM (8 months, 30 days ago)

Your right I don't fully understand the issues at play.

It may be a small percentage of people who have medical intervention but their is a huge number of young people struggling with gender, Sexuality, preferences, identity.

Parents and family not accepting someone who identifies as lgbtq(something something something) happens alot from ignoring the issue to punishment. It's quite common.

The people living unhealthy lives is the average person. I don't remember the point I was trying to make.

I don't know what requirements have to be satisfied to have medical intervention but there are people who  are starting to speak out about their regrets.

No I don't have a solution. But I am not willing to accept that our gov't or any institution or society in general has the right answer.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Abombs]
    #28293021 - 04/24/23 01:49 PM (8 months, 30 days ago)

The more I am educated on it the more I am in support.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #28293039 - 04/24/23 01:58 PM (8 months, 30 days ago)

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If you're lbtq I'd particularly like to know if you think I have reasonable points that are views you may not share but can respect? or am I just an evil prick to you?




Online discourse trends toward the overly hostile - but you're probably finding yourself lumped in with transgender hate because some of those 'reasonable viewpoints' you've shared are demonstrably incorrect. It's suggests that, even if you believe you have no hate for LGBTQ folk, you're still uncritically listening to those who do and spreading toxic views further, rather than honestly trying to understand the issue.

For example, let's consider this seemingly reasonable view. Can you refer me to these studies you mention?

"The majority of studies Ive seen report a pretty high rate of regret from trans kids that transitioned at 14 or so and were asked again at 18 and that makes sense to me that maybe you didnt really know what you wanted and was a phase that became permanent."


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28293601 - 04/24/23 07:22 PM (8 months, 30 days ago)

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If you're lbtq I'd particularly like to know if you think I have reasonable points that are views you may not share but can respect? or am I just an evil prick to you?




Online discourse trends toward the overly hostile - but you're probably finding yourself lumped in with transgender hate because some of those 'reasonable viewpoints' you've shared are demonstrably incorrect. It's suggests that, even if you believe you have no hate for LGBTQ folk, you're still uncritically listening to those who do and spreading toxic views further, rather than honestly trying to understand the issue.

For example, let's consider this seemingly reasonable view. Can you refer me to these studies you mention?

"The majority of studies Ive seen report a pretty high rate of regret from trans kids that transitioned at 14 or so and were asked again at 18 and that makes sense to me that maybe you didnt really know what you wanted and was a phase that became permanent."



That's fair enough. It's hard to tell from people like me that are willing to change their viewpoints based on a debate and research and others who dont care if the study they looked at was never corroborated or true they will still use that study to justify their viewpoint. And I'm looking for the studies I looked at years ago and they aren't to be found. So maybe I was hoodwinked on the facts sure.

However in fact I can't find any studies  specifically on kids that transitioned at a young age and whether they regretted it or not after 18. Just studies on trans adults that regret it somewhere in the range of 2-8%  and a few stories here and there from right wing channels of detransitioned adults.

So I suppose if you take what I heard in that crap study out of the equation I still feel like when you're young it's a confusing time, you may want to feel more accepted, part of a community, be genuinely confused about sexuality even if you aren't lgbtq and I still feel like more kids are identifying as lgbtq then there are lgbtq kids.

Let me ask you this though. This one I can't find because it was years ago but I did see a pride documentary about a school I believe in Europe and the whole point of the documentary is that 80% of that high-schools student body identified as LGBTQ.

They attributed it to being an accepting school but after I watched that I thought it was an interesting case study. 80% of that school identified as lgbtq. I know that not 80% of the world's population is lgbtq so in this particular school how did 80% wind up identifying this way?

My conclusion is that some truly were lgbtq and that some were trying to feel accepted since at that particular school being lgbtq meant you'd be accepted and part of a larger group. So I think there are societal factors that can lead to a kid claiming to be lgbtq and then find out it wasn't really them.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #28293634 - 04/24/23 07:37 PM (8 months, 30 days ago)

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specifically on kids that transitioned at a young age




How old do you think the youngest permanently transitioned patient was at the time? This is also an interesting case study in media literacy.

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So I suppose if you take what I heard in that crap study out of the equation I still feel like when you're young it's a confusing time, you may want to feel more accepted, part of a community, be genuinely confused about sexuality even if you aren't lgbtq and I still feel like more kids are identifying as lgbtq then there are lgbtq kids.




Have you ever faked a different sexuality just to fit in? Cause when I think about stuff I did as a kid to fit in, it was mostly just begging my mom for specific toys. I know some people do some dumb stuff just to fit in, but for some reason I don't believe someone would suck dick just to have a friend.

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They attributed it to being an accepting school but after I watched that I thought it was an interesting case study. 80% of that school identified as lgbtq. I know that not 80% of the world's population is lgbtq so in this particular school how did 80% wind up identifying this way?




So, being that you know of this school in particular as being very accepting, do you not think that maybe, just maybe, other people also know of this school in particular for similar reasons, and have self-selected?

For example, I feel like you'd also find a similarly inexplicable increase in LGBTQ identifying people at a gay bar.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28293841 - 04/24/23 09:00 PM (8 months, 30 days ago)

So I'm not going to opine on how many kids have permanently transitioned as far as surgery or mastectomy goes its probably almost non existent.

Your next two comments is the meat of what I really wanted to discuss.

When I was a kid faking being gay wouldn't have made alot of sense there's no where near the understanding and community of acceptance that there is now. Yes I tried to fit in by asking my parents for toys but what I'm talking about is for example, whenever a new fad came out I very much pretended to be that person. If it was emo, I'd wear all black have long straight hair and I even felt like I was actually emo when I wasn't. I'd sit there and pretended and started to believe I hated life, it was all pointless etc. You're saying I don't believe people would suck dick to pretend to be gay I agree. As an adult that makes total sense. As a kid I think in today's environment you can claim to be gay and be nowhere near having to "prove it". You can even say you've sucked a dick and it'd be like a straight kid lying about eating out some chick or getting a bj or something its really easy to fake that. So I do think that some kids who identify as lgbtq might not be and just get caught up in trying to fit in,feel accepted, feel like youre part of a group, trying to make a radical change to help depression stemming from something else etc.


As far as your comments on the specific school, if it were a private school that was a school that billed itself as lgbtq friendly and an alternative to public schools I'd completely understand.  Like you said I wouldn't be surprised to see gay people in a gay bar but this school was in the public school system. Also most of the kids didn't come out until a group of well liked students started coming out. Again I think those students were probably actually lgbtq  but the extra 40% that came out after the cool kids did yeah I think there could be a societal factor to that.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #28294228 - 04/25/23 05:35 AM (8 months, 29 days ago)

For sure kids will identify as something else to fit in. Especially if they struggled to fit in other places.

You have a hard time believing someone will suck dick to get a friend. You can't be serious.?


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Abombs]
    #28294341 - 04/25/23 07:49 AM (8 months, 29 days ago)

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So I'm not going to opine on how many kids have permanently transitioned as far as surgery or mastectomy goes its probably almost non existent.

Your next two comments is the meat of what I really wanted to discuss.

When I was a kid faking being gay wouldn't have made alot of sense there's no where near the understanding and community of acceptance that there is now. Yes I tried to fit in by asking my parents for toys but what I'm talking about is for example, whenever a new fad came out I very much pretended to be that person. If it was emo, I'd wear all black have long straight hair and I even felt like I was actually emo when I wasn't. I'd sit there and pretended and started to believe I hated life, it was all pointless etc. You're saying I don't believe people would suck dick to pretend to be gay I agree. As an adult that makes total sense. As a kid I think in today's environment you can claim to be gay and be nowhere near having to "prove it". You can even say you've sucked a dick and it'd be like a straight kid lying about eating out some chick or getting a bj or something its really easy to fake that. So I do think that some kids who identify as lgbtq might not be and just get caught up in trying to fit in,feel accepted, feel like youre part of a group, trying to make a radical change to help depression stemming from something else etc.


As far as your comments on the specific school, if it were a private school that was a school that billed itself as lgbtq friendly and an alternative to public schools I'd completely understand.  Like you said I wouldn't be surprised to see gay people in a gay bar but this school was in the public school system. Also most of the kids didn't come out until a group of well liked students started coming out. Again I think those students were probably actually lgbtq  but the extra 40% that came out after the cool kids did yeah I think there could be a societal factor to that.




That's really unfortunate that you chose not to answer quite possibly the most important question. It was not a question of opinion, it was a question of media literacy. Can you find a piece of information on a topic that is heavily coated in misinformation? There is a correct answer. But you actually need to do more than skim headlines to find the correct answer.

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For sure kids will identify as something else to fit in. Especially if they struggled to fit in other places.

You have a hard time believing someone will suck dick to get a friend. You can't be serious.?




Perhaps I have underestimated people's willingness to suck dick just to be noticed. I guess it's literally never crossed my mind.

I guess that tracks with the research showing that something like 1/5 to 1/6 straight, heterosexual identifying men routinely have sex with other men.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #28294529 - 04/25/23 09:55 AM (8 months, 29 days ago)

I will always be baffled at why other people are so interested in other peoples sex lives.
Men have sex with men, women have sex with men, women have sex with women, men have sex with women.
As long as neither are having sex with kids or animals- I don't care. I don't care it is none of my business and I am happy that you are happy.
Trans has NOTHING to do with sex.
I honestly am glad I did not have the struggle of feeling I was born in a body that doesn't represent who I am.
It feels that it would be torture on your soul. And the people I have spoken to about it.. it is torture. And liberating when they make a choice to be who they authentically feel they are.
Not
who other people tell them to be.
It takes a lot LOT LOT of courage. It is very admirable.
Most people don't have the sack to be who they authentically are.
I turn 50 in a few weeks and I struggle being who I authentically am. If I really think about it and question myself... am I being my authentic self?
What a beautiful thing to watch and support- when you see someone being their authentic self.
I will always support that.


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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: loladoreen]
    #28294646 - 04/25/23 11:26 AM (8 months, 29 days ago)

No such thing as trans people, transphobia or even homophobia... not in the way it is described. These words are co-opted like Racist, Fascist or Nazi. These people fall into multiple categories of mental illness, identity disorders, their demands are compulsions and it is not our responsibility to conform with them.


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    #28294659 - 04/25/23 11:38 AM (8 months, 29 days ago)

Heavy emphasis on RESPECTFUL
if you are not going to be respectful and allow us to have a conversation.
Please do not join the conversation
There are other threads you can go to debate or express yourself.
This is not it


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