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God's Golden Urn
#28290302 - 04/22/23 05:19 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Thoughts on "The Four Corners of The World"

Using the theory of Jungian Archetypes and Judaeo-Christian mythology I tried to connect the idea of Jehovah with the world of man through the cartography of economic pathways between asia, europe and africa. The main point is that through the silk road asian goods and beliefs spread throughout the world while the church grew in power. This is what happened about 300-1000 AD.
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: ChRnZN]
#28290579 - 04/22/23 09:22 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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A trail is more than a trail..
The silk route?
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: ChRnZN]
#28290730 - 04/23/23 12:38 AM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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You may be onto something here...
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: ChRnZN]
#28290781 - 04/23/23 02:53 AM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Trace it all back now.
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The Silk Road or Route started in south central asia and went all the way up to northern europe. My thought was that culture as well as goods were "traded" along this path in Medieval times, as evidenced by the spread of the hindu people from their homeland to eastern europe. It doesn't get talked about much, but there were many pagans and sorcerers from india and what is now modern day pakistan in the area where the german tribes were living about 1300 AD. The germans needed resources to fuel their constant and intense wars with each other (they were basically barbarians) and the hindus were sick of living in the deserts of southern india, so some decided to move way up north to find arable land and an escape from the even worse wars in the east.
To balance out this formula, the line from the south west to the north east quadrant links Sudan with West Russia because Sudan, the land of the southern egyptians in olden times, was a pretty short trip away from the near east (between the two just mentioned) and you can see the political connections between africa and europe becoming more and more weak in the 20th century. When was the last time you met a european who spoke highly of the culture of north africa? Not too recently, I'll wager.
But the people of north africa were traditionally associated with the people who live in what is now western russia because they both needed the resources of the lands that lay between them - in the mountainous regions of the carpathians and the alps further west. That is where africans could find the best hunting grounds - those mountains are full of animals waiting to be hunted for their meat and skins for clothing. The only animals they could hunt in africa were large beasts of prey who you really don't want to piss off. They would just kill you. Imagine having the choice of hunting lions or hunting deer. It's heroic to hunt a lion, but it's much more reasonable to hunt deer in the mountains if you can travel for a few weeks and put up with all the people an african would have to encounter in the middle east or across the sea in southern europe.
Either way, the "double cross" symbolism from north, south, east and west to northeast, southwest, northwest, southeast implies a cultural association that had far reaching consequences for the spiritual growth of all the people living in the areas marked. Europeans were not free from the influence of asiatic sorcery and asiatics could not escape the influence of early christian civilization. So they both traded religious practices and ideas to create what we today call conservative or liberal ideologies. That means that everyone who is from europe can trace their religious practices in part back to asia (especially southern asia) and everyone who is at least part-indian has close ties to the church, but indirectly. Many people willingly deny this historical fact because it is not yet trendy to be half indian, half german, but you can meet people like this everywhere in eastern europe.
Azerbaijan, however, was neither christian nor hindu. They were, and are, partly muslim, but mainly mystic like the early Moroccan Sufis. Islam is basically just the remnants of ancient Sufism or Shaivism stuck in the mold of Abrahamic religion to make it more palatable for the people who used to be almost completely Atheistic. But Azerbaijan was a city at the center of the silk road / route. Sure, they were a little too far east to be smack dab in the middle of the road but they still represented a major hub of economic trade and mixing between Europe and Asia. Tourists still travel to Azerbaijan to get a taste of a "World between Worlds" so to speak, not of religion but of cultures. However, Azerbaijan's position as the eastern point in this double cross implies that Azerbaijanis were, like the sun that rises in the east, uninterested in the power struggle of most men and women who were trying to amass large amounts of land and wealth before the hordes of far eastern asia could steal it from them. People from west asia don't normally spend their lives trying to prove their self-worth or electing a Donald Trump like westerners do because they are willing to settle for less than a proud, insolent dictator who does not actually care about his subjects - the common people.
Without a real patriarch, west and central asia slept peacefully while the world around them erupted in a cataclysm of war and feuding in The Middle Ages. They were the living symbols of a Buddhist cult that profited from staying out of the problem rather than putting themselves in it.
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: ChRnZN]
#28290915 - 04/23/23 06:35 AM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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All of those Lands boarder upon Spain: Ahwns Telus - a Major Serpentinite-Endemic Ceramic Zone. Ceramic Zones only Accept Single Types of Oxygen - and so all surrounding Lands in a bent 2D Rod Shaped Pattern would be Rich in Magenta-10 - and so Emit Light - Like a Lot of Light - Projected into Space. This Four Corners of The World Idea is Right-on with what is Holding our World Together. That is the Northern-Ceramic Zone. Over where I live in California - The Southern-Ceramic Zone forms Potassium Data by Depleting Phenylethylamines - to later be Filled in by anyone Tending the Land. I will wage that over there in the Four Corners of The World - that new Tryptamines are forming - and in several ways. That means a Never ending Constantly Evolving form of Salt, Silk, Sand, and Oxygen.
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: TohtKLoh]
#28290916 - 04/23/23 06:37 AM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Oh yeah - and England is connected to Spain by way of Serpentinite Veins deep within the Earth.
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: TohtKLoh]
#28291004 - 04/23/23 07:56 AM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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England and Spain have a long history of political unity and economic ties. Serpents are a symbol of the primeval religious wisdom of Eden as told in Genesis in the Christian Bible. What's funny is, The Muslims who moved to Spain from Africa around 700 AD (after they moved from Arabia and Iran, Persia, etc.) don't honestly take the creation story as a literal, real story. Only Christians believe as much, but I don't think there is an actual garden of Eden hidden in the clouds like the bible hints at. Some apocryphal stories do appear to show evidence for a belief in a real sort of heaven in the clouds, but primitive peoples believed in all kinds of crazy things, so it's not too surprising. But the Muslims in Spain always got along with the Christians and simple folk of the United Kingdom because their problem was not a religious one - it was biological - Spain is a hot desert of sand and strange rivers with water that transports very different kinds of minerals and trace elements than what you could ever find in England, Ireland, Scotland and the tiny islands nearby. So the Spanish needed fresh "normal" water free of all the stuff you mention in your posts to farm regular fruits and vegetables and what have you while the English would be drawn to the rare compounds you mentioned because they represent a kind of mysterious "ether" connecting life forms across the continent of Europe and Africa..
I'm sure you're right that deep within the earth there is some sort of serpentine vein connecting the lands and subconsciously linking north and south without anyone ever knowing it. They wouldn't want to know it - that would be akin to admitting Islam and Christianity is basically the same religion without all the political veils surrounding them. But new tryptamines will probably come out of the far east in my opinion. That is where conditions are most ideal for mutating mushrooms and fungi like ergot to mingle and form an odd chemistry like a 2nd peganum harmala or amanita soma mushroom that doesn't need dung or plants to grow. Could be wrong though.
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: ChRnZN]
#28291132 - 04/23/23 09:10 AM (9 months, 23 hours ago) |
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Take a look at this Seal from the Frankish Kingdom

R in the "North" on the upper line is from the Hindu Rig or Knowledge (also translated as praise) because the Polish represent the northern most people inhabiting land still in Europe but connected to India via the Silk Route. The Polish were at the end of the end of the line of the silk route, and they received all the treasures left over from the mercantile exchange after everyone else had bought or traded for what they wanted.
S in the "East" or right line is for the Shiva-worshippers of Eastern Asia.
L in the "South" or bottom line is for the worshipers of the God El (L) - The Jews of Yemen who eventually migrated north to Palestine and then Europe. Possibly the most intricate and well-documented religion in the world - the Hebrew exegetical books of biblical commentary number in the millions, easily.
and K in the "West" or left line is for The Kaliphate (Spelled with a C - Caliphate in many English documents but with a K in French for some reason) and their subjects who lived in northern Africa and Spain before the Christians took over Europe.
RSLK = Knowledge of Shiva as a Kaliphate based on the dogma of Jesus - or the complete submergence of Hinduism in western theology. This, of course, did not actually happen as there are no christian Hindus in the real sense today nor were there ever, probably, but the letters represent the sum total of the experiences of some of the Asians who traveled north and gradually assimilated with the early European tribes.
Together the letters form the word Rislek - a mashup of alphabets that means something like "I, a simple Hindu merchant, have traveled north to the city on the coast of the continent of Europe (in Poland) and found myself in the midst of a barbarous people." Asian travelers on the silk road never believed they would find a civilization all the way at the other end, they just traveled because they needed money and goods to survive.
India was a dangerous place to be in olden times, and while Europe started to grow into the white culture we know today, the east would fall all the way back into collapsing kingdoms and disordered semi-royal units. To find a European tribe for the first time was, for a Hindu, nothing short of a mind-blowing experience. They never had any way to connect with anyone that far away. There was no postal system, no trans-continental railroad or any navigable road linking Europe to Asia before 200 BC. But, not only would an Asiatic refuse to believe that they could ride a horse to Europe before that time, they also would have been opposed to the culture of white western Europeans who did not believe in Brahman and Krishna. They would have laughed at the thought of a pantheon of gods who clearly had no basis in reality as Europeans understand it. Unfortunately for the Asians, they had no choice but to trade extensively with the west at that time. They were in dire need of an income. And without a similar culture in the west to compliment the development of Asian Civilization, Indian and Chinese culture ceased to evolve into anything meaningful.
The worst thing that could have happened to an Indian before the silk road would have been some kind of fateful catastrophe. But after the silk road was created, they were at the mercy of European tribesmen. Without Europe, Asians had no way to go on. They needed new men and woman who had never been to Asia before who would stand to gain a great deal by marrying into a distant royal family and inheriting a large piece of their spouse's parent's wealth.
Even today Asia is known as a place of hidden treasures and unexplored mysteries. But Europeans don't usually chances like that. They would just as soon keep what they had and tell the new Asiatic merchants to go back where they came from. So European Civilization became something it never would have become in the middle ages, because Asiatic peoples simply could not convince them that they would have been better off if they had just convinced a few intelligent men and women from their tribes to move to Beijing and Delhi, etc., to breed with the kings' sons and daughters there and therefore refresh failing Asiatic genetics which had been rehashed for a long long time.
That's why everybody nowadays talks about white pride like it was the saving grace of the west. It's as if they forgot that a thousand years ago they had nothing, and they bought, traded or stole just about all the wealth they had from Asians who couldn't say no. The point is that democrats and republicans in America today don't want to include minorities in their plans because they think they can just "beat" them again at another game of who lives in the better culture? But now Asian civilization has rebounded and the west is left without a fighting chance. They never asked for one!
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: ChRnZN]
#28295739 - 04/26/23 05:51 AM (8 months, 29 days ago) |
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Artistic Depictions of The Gods
Indra of The Rig Veda

Shiva of Eastern Asia
 from https://www.sanskritimagazine.com/lord-siva-worshipped-ancient-china/
El, God of the Hebrews - this art from Israel, where many Yemenite Jews migrated to in the 1st millenium. The Jews claim to worship The God of Abraham, stressing the power of good over evil, but God must by definition contain both good and evil to be all-powerful, above the human world of moral duality.
 from kosmic-kabbalah.com
Muhammad, prophet of islam, chosen spiritual icon of The Kaliphate in the muslim world including Morocco

If you put them all together, you get Indra-Shiva-El-Allah - a composite deity who is basically Jehovah without all the ecclesiastical frenzy that usually goes along with his worship. Jehovah is The God of The Winds, Death, The Law and The Final Judgement. All Abrahamic religions believe in Jehovah aka Yahweh, but they do not all believe in unity with other religions.
Combining God-forms always leads to something confusing and paradoxical, but this particular complex negates all other religions by calling Jehovah "The One True God," and all others "Heretics." If you are non-religious and travel to Israel or Palestine, you notice how people treat you differently. As if they somehow knew that you didn't believe in "The One True God."
God's Golden Urn is not a real object, but a symbol of one's belief that one's religion is THE only religion that matters. No matter where you come from, it's all the same to a son of Abraham.
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: ChRnZN]
#28295913 - 04/26/23 08:26 AM (8 months, 28 days ago) |
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For the record, I'm a Muslim but I don't believe in the power of the Khamenei (of the islamic republic). I live far outside of Asia.
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: ChRnZN]
#28296373 - 04/26/23 03:36 PM (8 months, 28 days ago) |
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Double Cross on Map
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Re: God's Golden Urn [Re: ChRnZN]
#28297966 - 04/27/23 06:44 PM (8 months, 27 days ago) |
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Daniel 7:2-15
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I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings. I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made to stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
And behold, another beast, a second, like unto a bear. And it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it; and they said thus unto it, 'Arise, devour much flesh.'
After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl. The beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth. It devoured, and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it; and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.
I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots.
And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days sat down, whose garment was white as snow and the hair of His head like the pure wool.
His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him. Thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgemt was set and the books were open. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spoke; I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed and given to the burning flame.
As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. "I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. And there was given Him dominion and glory and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His Kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
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