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Culture NOT Race
    #28289863 - 04/22/23 01:32 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

I’m sure this will upset someone eventually, but on the topic of politics in this day and age, there is so much emphasis on equity...

I would like to argue that the majority of what has been labeled as blatant racism is in fact a form of cultural shock/culturism.

This is a word that most people have not and will not hear.

It’s true that much of the hate that has abounded was based initially off of racial features, but through extensive education and awareness, this is on the decline...

However!...culturism is when multiple cultures are forced to coexist within the same environment thus creating competition as it’s how most people “identify”. As a result this competition is mis-labeled externally by the overused word of “racism”.

Is it wrong for 1 culture to be more successful than another? Should humans adopt a 1 culture way of life in which we all have the same beliefs, qualities, etc?

Or is this cultural competition healthy for life?

I am simply asking the readers to recognize and acknowledge the difference when you find yourself in judgment or disagreement with someone...is it racially motivated? Or is it culturally motivated? Or something else entirely?

That’s all folks!

I’ll be more than happy to provide examples if need be.


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: TheShroomanizer] * 2
    #28290020 - 04/22/23 03:07 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

Certain people believe racism to be a part of their cultural heritage, and proudly celebrate it every day.

You can usually spot them because they're waving loser flags.

Fuck those people.


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: TheShroomanizer]
    #28290033 - 04/22/23 03:18 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

It just sounds like you're substituting one word for another.  Race and culture are both social constructs.  The predictive value of ones culture certainly isn't more than the predictive value of race.  It's different, sure, but neither really tells us much about a person.


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: Enlil]
    #28290066 - 04/22/23 03:36 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

Look, I just don't wanna smell or see anyone's weird food or have to wonder whether or not they're talking about me  in a language I don't understand.  The fact that they're a different color than me is completely coincidental...said the totally not at all racist person.


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28290072 - 04/22/23 03:39 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

I once knew a couple that learned french specifically to talk shit about people in front of them and look posh while they did it.

I started bringing french people over. They stopped inviting me.


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: Kryptos]
    #28290088 - 04/22/23 03:47 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

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I once knew a couple that learned french specifically to talk shit about people in front of them and look posh while they did it.

I started bringing french people over. They stopped inviting me.




you knew my parents?


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: Kryptos]
    #28290090 - 04/22/23 03:48 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

I might remember enough french to tell if someone was talking shit if they were fluent but non-native speakers.  I could never understand Haitian creole.


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28290326 - 04/22/23 05:30 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

If your culture is isolated, and as a result develops behavioral characteristics  that give it an advantage in their habitat, and exclude others that do not share the same values that have given them said advantage, is it culturism, or racism, both, or none?



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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: TheShroomanizer]
    #28290334 - 04/22/23 05:34 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

What's the difference other than the name?


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28290341 - 04/22/23 05:36 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

If a bear shits in the woods and there's nobody around to smell it, does it make a sound?


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28290356 - 04/22/23 05:43 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

Lol, the argument is simple; Race does not dictate behavior, however culture, and sub-culture branches do.

Religion is a perfect example of how behavior is defined through adopted culture, and stands to exclude those who do not share in said culture (in most cases) non religion specific.
Whereas generalized race has very little to do with exclusion from religion.


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: TheShroomanizer]
    #28290398 - 04/22/23 06:08 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

I couldn't disagree more.  Can you give an example of what we can know about a person based on the fact that he/she is Christian, for instance?


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: Enlil]
    #28290412 - 04/22/23 06:20 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

Generally speaking, now obviously...this isnt 100% across the board, especially with religion since that is a topic which many people tend to adopt for external purposes rather than cultural practices.

But for arguments sake, let’s take a look at Puritan Christianity...what could we learn about their culture based solely off knowing they were puritans?

Most people acknowledge strict disciplinarian society in which work was considered prayer and thus took up most of their daily lives, reproduction was strictly regulated through personal belief as to only occur after marriage under God, Puritans beliefs dictated much of texts, and laws which governed society even when some chose not to partake in that specific culture, and as a result were excluded.

Attached is a link explaining how a religion defines an entire culture, and as result the behaviors.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Puritanism


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: TheShroomanizer]
    #28290415 - 04/22/23 06:22 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

In other words, you can't give any practical answer to the question.  Do you think this means that maybe the predictive value of religion and culture aren't nearly as probative as you seem to think?  Anyone could pick an extremely specific example and use it.

For instance, gangsta rappers mostly wear baggy pants.

There...i predicted behavior...therefore, culture dictates behavior.

Look at the other side of your argument.  I could say, "I know a puritan who doesn't do X or Y."  You'd respond, "well then he/she isn't really a puritan."

no true scotsman.  You've just defined the religion by the behavior thereby completely eliminating predictive value and just creating another arbitrary label akin to race.

After all, isn't that how culture works?  We determine a person's culture based on behavior...not the other way around.  Unless you're saying that you're born into a culture, in which case...how is that different from race again?




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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: Enlil]
    #28290427 - 04/22/23 06:43 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

On the contrary, I am confident that many individuals have adopted different behaviors as to survive within a culture they do not support. For the XY argument.

As for determining a persons culture based of behavior and not the other way around, the answer is both.

They are both so closely related and dependent upon on another. As the research has shown, behavior plays a critical role in developing and maintaining a culture, as such...a culture can be defined as: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group.
https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-differences-between-behavior-and-culture/

statistically speaking however...you can predict behavior based off of adopted culture—the key being that we can change behavior as required to survive within a specific or widely adopted culture.

I’m slightly offended by your “Appeal to Purity” claim, it is indeed difficult to debate something as complex as human behavior through a phones keyboard, and digi-thread.

=] all in good faith


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: TheShroomanizer]
    #28290803 - 04/23/23 03:51 AM (9 months, 18 hours ago)

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However!...culturism is when multiple cultures are forced to coexist within the same environment thus creating competition as it’s how most people “identify”. As a result this competition is mis-labeled externally by the overused word of “racism”.





It possible I might halfway agree with you IDK. Mostly I'm puzzled. How did you come to define "culturalism" as "when multiple cultures are forced to coexist within the same environment creating competition"/

The term "culturalism" is associated with Florian Znaniecki, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culturalism. He did argue against a nature/culture duality so that goes with what you're saying. My grad school classical theory prof was way into Znaniecki, but different sources place him anywhere between major and obscure.

Race, class and culture are all relevant in social order and social divisions. They're all social constructions, and they're interrelated. (Obviously gender too, but let's skip that for now) Culture is the broadest concept of the three, with lots of theoretical wiggle room, which makes it useful, but problematic because it can mean so much, but then you're stuck with issues whether it's over defined or under defined.

But please carry on. This might get interesting.


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28290884 - 04/23/23 05:56 AM (9 months, 15 hours ago)

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However!...culturism is when multiple cultures are forced to coexist within the same environment thus creating competition as it’s how most people “identify”. As a result this competition is mis-labeled externally by the overused word of “racism”.





It possible I might halfway agree with you IDK. Mostly I'm puzzled. How did you come to define "culturalism" as "when multiple cultures are forced to coexist within the same environment creating competition"/

but problematic because it can mean so much, but then you're stuck with issues whether it's over defined or under defined..




Before I edit my response in a little while, just want to say well stated sir. The main issue with clearly defining culture with cause is the broad canopy that culture casts.


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Re: Culture NOT Race [Re: TheShroomanizer]
    #28291376 - 04/23/23 12:30 PM (9 months, 9 hours ago)

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That’s all folks!




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