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In the Christian story..
#28266351 - 04/07/23 05:42 AM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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God comes in the flesh on earth.
We kill him.
"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do"
What did we do?
Kill God until He returns?
Does thst mean the Devil owns the earth now, to corrupt it unhindered by Good until the return of God?
it would explain a few things.
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: Asante]
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: Asante]
#28266432 - 04/07/23 06:59 AM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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"Kill God until he returns."
Yet as we know, the reality is not killed nevertheless, nor can we be, which is the message (of Golgotha, I'll venture).
"the Devil owns the earth now, to corrupt it unhindered by Good until the return of God."
Ego, the elemental forces that bind, sourced in the nature of mind. If they are such, then correction is as immediate as changing the mind.
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: Asante] 3
#28269464 - 04/09/23 01:07 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Think of old testament God as a person who's learning how to deal with something it created, Noah's ark is allegorical for saving part of yourself (ark) while having to change and kill off part of the old nature (drowned planet) and then move and grow again (new land revealed as the water recedes). Water kills and brings life so a flood might be seen as symbolic for death and rebirth, the old ways drowned and the new ways come again after we sail on the seas of change and then find our footing again.
Abraham and Issac is a story about how when times are tough you should trust in your closest friends to come through (the ram delivered in place of Issac).
Christ's sacrifice on the cross is symbolic of our less than stellar nature and the individual represented as Christ is at a crossroads in life (cross) where we're torturing ourselves because we know we need to change. We kill off our old nature (crucified) and in doing so are born again into the kingdom of heaven (higher consciousness), we receive the light of gnosis and realize that it's better to treat others with love and kindness in this life than to hate them. The golden rule shines the light of truth.
There are many more allegories and metaphors found throughout the Bible and if viewed through the proper lens they make a lot of sense.
Another interesting take is what if humankind are all archetypes in the mind of God and God isn't an archetype for humans, sort of like that scene in the Men In Black...yes it's an ancient movie...where the galaxy is on Orion's belt or whatever!
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: Asante]
#28270378 - 04/09/23 07:41 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Asante said: God comes in the flesh on earth.
We kill him.
"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do"
What did we do?
Kill God until He returns?
Does that mean the Devil owns the earth now, to corrupt it unhindered by Good until the return of God?
it would explain a few things.
The Bible definitely has something to say on this matter.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded *, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
* This does show that Satan has control (to a degree) of the world.
1 John 5:19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
James 4:4 You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
1 John 2:15-17 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: blessed]
#28274919 - 04/12/23 07:25 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Interesting
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: blessed] 1
#28275261 - 04/13/23 01:10 AM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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blessed said:
* This does show that Satan has control (to a degree) of the world.
What if everything is generated from a field of consciousness, meaning you wake up and realize you're God and you're generating both Satan and Jesus, you're the Godhead (mind/brain/third eye/observer) and from your mind you create either Satan (being an adversary to certain things in reality) or Christ (being a peace bringer to reality), one is the left hand of God and the other is the right but both are just aspects of the same thing, neither good nor bad but rather just the creator creating the creation and the creation creating the creator in a reciprocal relationship until the "wave function collapses" and you "die" and return to the field of consciousness which all is generated from.
The way our mind in our creation relates to the field of consciousness is that when we die certain "bad" things get assimilated into "bad sectors" while "good" things get assimilated into "good sectors" and then when the paint brush of life begins to paint again the pallet of good or bad is ready for the observer to dip their paint brush into and create again.
IMO, that's kind of a liberating thought.
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: Asante]
#28276541 - 04/13/23 08:39 PM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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There is no "Devil" or "Hell" it was created to suppress your spiritual power by putting you into a constant state of fear. It is a real thing in the etheric realm.. it only survives by the energy us humans give it.
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: unlearn88]
#28279028 - 04/15/23 01:58 PM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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the Bible and the word of God have much to teach, but understanding it is a bit of a challenge if you never had a raising in faith, and over time the Catholic Church has come to understand what exactly certain parts mean. I did when growing up but never took it seriously until now in my life. Thankfully If one wants to understand it and not treat it as just a story, there are many resources available to us now with the internet to help. What I am about to say is MY reason for believing and is not meant to convince others but simply explain why I came back to practicing my faith.
In my teenage years I received the sacrament of Confirmation. In this sacrament your faith is strengthened by the Holy Spirit. while I didn't really understand this at the time, I felt amazing afterwards. there are many gifts the Holy Spirit can bring to a person.
What really is my main reason which I can never explain that I still believe to this day is this. I went to a healing mass shortly after this time, which is where in addition to the usual mass, you can receive healing or help from God as needed. This can take many forms, but for me is was quite blatant. I had shortly after confirmation been trying to determine is various thought or voices in my head were trying to help me or not. I had revealed to no one, and the mass I went to was a ways away from where I live. What the priest said to me (via God) was "these voices are here to do you no no good. Say Jesus protect me when you hear them". He said voices in an odd way and now I realize that this was mostly my anxiety spinning around more than actual demonic voices or God. He spoke to many people, to some saying things and to others not.
After this is I continued onwards, going away from faith but at various times feeling quite sad and hurt, but with no real reason. when I talked to a priest recently in confession after coming back to living my faith, he said this is my soul.
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: varoan]
#28279797 - 04/15/23 11:14 PM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Catholics are cool, I don't know much about how certain denominations differ from others but I don't hate.
Anyway, I saw this the other day while studying neuroscience and consciousness stuff.
What do you think about the video above?
Also, and I don't mean to be rude...but if you're ever hearing voices please be careful. I hope you're not offended by me saying that.
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: Lucis]
#28285426 - 04/19/23 01:38 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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Lucis said:
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blessed said:
* This does show that Satan has control (to a degree) of the world.
What if everything is generated from a field of consciousness, meaning you wake up and realize you're God and you're generating both Satan and Jesus, you're the Godhead (mind/brain/third eye/observer) and from your mind you create either Satan (being an adversary to certain things in reality) or Christ (being a peace bringer to reality), one is the left hand of God and the other is the right but both are just aspects of the same thing, neither good nor bad but rather just the creator creating the creation and the creation creating the creator in a reciprocal relationship until the "wave function collapses" and you "die" and return to the field of consciousness which all is generated from.
The way our mind in our creation relates to the field of consciousness is that when we die certain "bad" things get assimilated into "bad sectors" while "good" things get assimilated into "good sectors" and then when the paint brush of life begins to paint again the pallet of good or bad is ready for the observer to dip their paint brush into and create again.
IMO, that's kind of a liberating thought.

While what you say is possible, it's not a compatible view/belief that fit's with what the Bible says (or vice versa). The God of the Bible says that he is, and tells the truth, also that he does not lie.
So if he says there is a eternal hell, if true, there is no possibility for what you say,
The way our mind in our creation relates to the field of consciousness is that when we die certain "bad" things get assimilated into "bad sectors" while "good" things get assimilated into "good sectors" and then when the paint brush of life begins to paint again the pallet of good or bad is ready for the observer to dip their paint brush into and create again.
According to the Bible, this is not possible.
Also, I personally disagree with you in that in your conclusion that you say "IMO, that's kind of a liberating thought."
It all boils down to if the God of the Bible is real or just man made crap, this is a critical factor.
If the God of the Bible is real and what he says is true (of which I choose to believe is so), then the only thing that one is being "liberated" from as you say, is the truth (and it's consequence).
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: Asante]
#28285567 - 04/19/23 02:53 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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I caught the video that Fishoilthekid posted and then was deleted I assume because of the offensive title. The text though (from source in comments posted below) captured my interest. Blavatsky is a bit difficult to scan and comment on, but this is an attempt to summarize some of it.
Animals were on earth before man, who only had their associated instinct. Man on earth would have not risen above the animal were it not for manas, or mind, without which could not have realized mahat, intellect in the higher spiritual sense, and find divine nature.
It is a criticism of Christianity and other religions that portrayed the fall in the separation of good and evil, and created the devil as we know, whereas the Secret Doctrine, claiming alignment with truth of the ancients, and that those who fell became manas, and this is associated with the tree of knowlege; they are part of God's wisdom, enabling what was only man in animal nature to reach, through manas, mahat and go beyond.
In other words, the text concludes that Lucifer the fallen is the liberating pathway for the animal. I don't really care to harbor the vocab because of the connotations, yet the doctrine serves to, in part, eliminate them if so chosen. Remembering more, the beginning of the text is regarding the astral light as the same as manas or mind, and therefore the fallen(descending) grace, the only possibility to return. This was also equated with the Holy Spirit, loosely, in my limitation of clarity in it. Now this is frightening territory as the only unpardonable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit as such, calling the one the other, so it goes. Was this a political thing on the part of the church? It's redoing the context, but easily heretical for the inquisitor it would seem.
The comment says the talk begins on pg 529, but I'm finding the beginning on pg 511. https://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd-pdf/SecretDoctrineVol2_eBook.pdf
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: syncro]
#28286109 - 04/19/23 09:11 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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...calling the one the other, so it goes. Was this a political thing on the part of the church?
That's what I've come to. If there was any 'trick of the devil' it would be the placebo Eucharist ritual and the Church in place of the entheogen. The fruit from the tree of knowledge (identified as the mushroom) is indeed the experience of Christ/God/Heaven, and Satan/Lucifer the redeemer/liberator would be Jesus in the Garden of Eden story. The church's doctrine of original sin would only serve to trap people in a state of darkness. Then their Eucharist meal and Bible in the place of Union with God via the entheogen is truly the adversary...
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Perhaps God-realization, or Holy Communion, was such a closely gaurded secret that Jesus was put to death for revealing the mystery to the masses... Then the mystical union with God was all but removed from existence. Taught to be the Devil's temptation. !! Or perhaps the ritual drama of the Messiah is a conspiracy to produce the Christ for this purposeful revealing to let the masses know the secret and give his teaching; the way. The esoteric understanding of the crucifix could be what happens psychically to the revalator.
Is this obvious...?? At least this is where the mushroom lead me.
As I became more involved with what I thought was a noble cause; bringing this to light and vindicating the serpent... I was outright attacked by the churches people. They are the source of my 'schizophrenia', etc. I mean they are people that were given the key to heaven... They revolted. I was treated very harshly, and with heavy antipsychotics! I know that we are all sharing space now, that I was opened like a fruiting mushroom to the oneness; CHRIST.
I fully get it. In order to take the 'high road' it comes to you while you're going through it... FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO! They are like inside out.
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Respect to shroomies; as one who does not use them but the yogas, I don't think it is exclusively shrooms that are "no one gets but through me", nor would I dismiss a ritual like the Eucharist as mind can sincerely be using it as remembrance. What's the quote in ACIM, anything "in remembrance of God is eternal." But I buy the psyops for some influences.
I don't think it's necessary to conflict interpretations of the tree of knowledge. Sincerity of the soul/mind rules over symbols imo. Making for peace in whatever story warrants their use. If not peace in it, flush.
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: syncro]
#28287631 - 04/21/23 05:17 AM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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I Think he left to heaven promising to return so the disciples could spread the Gospel on there own, they had there own mission and part to play in history, it's part of Gods, the Logos and Holy Spirits master plan, we continue the work with our lives or so we should, baptizing them new believers in the name of the trinity to benefit and share in the salvation of the world.
Basically, Jesus ascended to heaven so he could send the Holy Spirit to lead the Church, heal, transform, give gifts, produce spiritual fruit and to convict the world of Sin and Righteousness and Judgment. In short, for a goal Christ saw as the greater good to be accomplished on the Earth, which has a (temporarily) more expansive grasp of direction he wanted to go in his and the Father's actions being expressed on the Earth. Which by the power of the Spirit, has become our thoughts, feelings, words, actions and deeds,,, the time-being used for the Spirits work from than up to his triumphant return in the future. Which is something I'm excited about, to know God the Father in like-way that Jesus the Son knew him... Ego-Death, Enlightenment, Salvation, Self-Realization, The Realm of Pure Potentiality/Consciousness, Voidness/Nothingness, Nibbana... or what is more satisfactory than that? (I know what you could be thinking, "how about Heaven, here and now, without the suffering part that we live anymore, or better yet, at all in the past",,, but I remind you of this verse: r
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"Suffering causes Endurance, Endurance leads to Proven Character, and Proven Character is Hope!" -St. Paul
, it's the Lords work being built into you all,,, this suffering, has a purpose, which is the greater Good.)
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The narrative is supposed to be that no matter how high you are you still have a story that matches your characters projection...
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BrendanFlock said: The narrative is supposed to be that no matter how high you are you still have a story that matches your characters projection...
That story that matches my characters projection is like finding my hero's and heroine's to give me the emotion of Elevation (<---click), if you read the Gospels with some mindfulness, than, as noted by Albert Einstein, you really sense that Jesus was a real character in life who lived and walked and talked. Soul mate's in characters in a book, who suffered harder times than we'll ever know (we have luxuries Kings and the Richest people a hundred some years ago didn't have access too today. So start a gratitude journal! You spoiled and vicious fools! ) I thought about if it turned out Jesus never existed, how would I react? I would embody the virtues and teachings and values of the Bible (and many other scriptures world-over.) And I'll be the best Jesus Christ I could be myself. And would encourage everyone to join me at there own respectable level of commitment.
Funny you mention "how High you are"... When I'm sober I'm at a low, physically, Mentally and Spiritually (lethargy, poorly social, "give up on my goals" type-attitude), when I'm high I just say I'm medicated, I'm content, ("there's a thousand things I can do now!" type-attitude, Reading a lot for hours unto days or if I wasn't I'd be meditating for that time, and spending quality time with my friends while enjoying the weather.) it's healing and transformative stuff at one time in my life, I just wish I wasn't dependent on it, it's Bondage and attachment, My friends encourage me I'll quit one day, that day coming truly is a possibility, but I don't know, it's probably not going to kill me by overdose or damage my body particularly bad, I'm not using crack or heroin or some city-trash poor quality stuff like that. oh, well let's just say and hope I'm going to do something better with my life.
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Re: In the Christian story.. [Re: blessed] 1
#28289617 - 04/22/23 09:31 AM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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blessed said: If the God of the Bible is real and what he says is true (of which I choose to believe is so), then the only thing that one is being "liberated" from as you say, is the truth (and it's consequence).
Right on, I don't judge. I was raised in the Christian tradition (non-denominational), been water baptized, been anointed with oil and born again several times, so I don't judge or hate Christians, I just left that path when I was a teenager due to certain things I experienced with plant teachers and have kind of reinvented my view on it after reading a lot of things.
It feel like everything is connected and is one, meaning someone from India is saying the same thing as someone from the Middle East and they're saying the same thing as someone from North America it's just all getting put through a cultural filter so we interpret it different depending on our location or cultural background, nothing wrong with that!
Many rivers lead to the ocean, pick the one you're most comfortable with and enjoy the ride!
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