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 kadakuda
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 Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election  [Re: OnlyScarsRemain]
#2837665 - 06/28/04 08:52 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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i thikn it is. it is probably good to have a few conserves, althouhg i would liek to see more ndp as well. will be interesting, would to see at least a couple green seats as well.
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: OnlyScarsRemain]
#2837722 - 06/28/04 09:06 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well it will severely restrict the power that any one party has in parliament. The ruling party (Liberals) will have to form a coalition of sorts with at least one other party in order to get any legilation passed. I think this should breed a lot more debate in parliament.
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: trendal]
#2837903 - 06/28/04 10:28 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Perhaps the NDP will use the lack of a Liberal majority as a way to get more of their issues heard. Though as I'm currently watching, the Liberals and NDP only have an estimated 156 total seats... It'd be nice if they could hold on to at least 155 total.
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: trendal]
#2838039 - 06/28/04 11:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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>> Stupidest country ever.
Take it outside.
/me breathes a sigh of jointly-represented relief.
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: pB0t]
#2838417 - 06/29/04 01:06 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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we maybe stupid, but we are happy and relaxed. inhale and enjoy the veiw my man.        
man this site has some funny damn smiley guys.
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: kadakuda]
#2838553 - 06/29/04 02:16 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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The NDP losing their 20th seat was such a downer. I was really looking forward to a Liberal-NDP coalition. The NDP would have had real federal power for the first time ever, as far as I know. And after holding a predicted 28!
It's a long-shot, but I reeeeaaallly hope they somehow manage to steal a riding back on recounts.
Edited by Kasumeat (06/29/04 01:50 PM)
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: Kasumeat]
#2839313 - 06/29/04 10:07 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, it was such a bummer getting up this morning and checking the outcomes and seeing that the NPD only got 19 seats. It was looking like they'd pull down at least 23 when I went to bed! 
At least Jack Leighton managed to get his seat. Is it just me, or does he look like a pornstar with that mustache? Hee hee...
PinkSharkMark said "A majority NDP government would be the most disastrous possible scenario for Canada. That poor sad sack of a country is STILL trying to make up for the destruction caused by the NDP holding the reigns of power in Ontario for five years in the Nineies."
Right. 'Cause, y'know, Bob Rae and the provincal NDP not only masterminded the international economic recession, but did everything in their power to propigate that situation. It was only when glorious ex-pro-golfer Mike Harris rode up to save the day that Ontario's finances were put back in order. 
Wait, what's that you say? The debt accumulated by the NDP during a Recession was relatively small compared to the debt the Conservatives (Harris and Eves) managed to rack up during the period of economic boom in the late nineties? Oh, hmm. Well maybe that changes things a little, eh?
But maybe not. There's still this stereotype of left-of-centre parties being 'Bad for Money Stuff' and right-of-centre parties being 'Good for Money Stuff'. There's two words that have already been said in an attempt to dispell this illusion, but I feel they can't be repeated often enough. Brian Mulrooney.
But I'm happy, I voted for good old Alexa, and she got re-elected. And voting NDP was strategic voting for me, I would normally have voted even further to the left.
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: Kasumeat]
#2839630 - 06/29/04 11:40 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Losing that seat was depressing, but there is no reason to fret. Paul Martin and the Liberals still must answer to the voice of other leftists if they hope to accomplish any of their agendas in parliament. He will need support from the NDP, a party which has shown itself to be both robust and ballsy, and capable of keeping dodgy characters like Paul Martin backed into a corner.
That is, unless Mr. Martin wants to start kissing sovereigntist ass.
A lot can happen between now and the next federal election. This election has shown that there has been a radical shift in Canada's political mood between the previous election and now. There now seems to be an even split between the left and the right among this nation's citizens. You know what they say: Dinosaurs will die.
This election has revealed a new Canadian attitude: When you can't trust the Liberals, and you're downright scared of the Conservatives, vote NDP!
Progress, people! Progress!
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: Ped]
#2839958 - 06/29/04 01:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Paul Martin was given one more chance by the Canadian electorate. He was put on probation if you will with a minority government as punishment for the AdScam scandal, when just before AdScam broke out, a record-breaking Liberal majority government was expected.
The Sun media outlet in my area is having a bad field day over the election result with today's paper having a big picture of Paul Martin on it with the header "Fear Factor,". Several columnists with the Sun have now accused Canadian voters of playing into the 'campaign of fear' that Paul Martin launched against Stephen Harper in a "better safe than sorry" tactic. In some sense it's true - I do believe Stephen Harper had a hidden agenda, which is why he changed his playing cards by acting calm and collected instead of passionate, and dodging every issue under the sun; abortion, gay marriage, you name it. In this case, when it came down to Paul Martin and Stephen Harper, Martin was the better of choices and Canadian voters saw that admist AdScam (which in retrospect in not that big of a deal) which is why Paul Martin is remaining as Prime Minister of Canada.
Things will be interesting though. We haven't had a government like this in decades.
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: Ped]
#2840079 - 06/29/04 01:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Paul Martin and the Liberals still must answer to the voice of other leftists if they hope to accomplish any of their agendas in parliament.
I hope that this is the case. However, there is still the possibility that the Bloc, Conservatives, and NA party form a coalition to defeat the NDP and Liberals. What are the odds of this happening? Not good. The Bloc are leftists seperatists. The Tories are rightists who couldn't give a shit about Quebec. Cadman (the NA MP) is a right-wing extremist, but is less-than-happy with Harper's party.
However, that's assuming that there won't be a single dissenting Liberal or NDP MP, which is far from a given.
This is quite possibly the most interesting parliament in Canadian history.
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: Ped]
#2840854 - 06/29/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Click Here and watch the video (Real Player needed). Wait until the segment about Gilles Duceppe and the Bloc. "We are confident enough to have our own country.." Oops! Hilarious!
Spooky.. looks like a bad omen.
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: Panoramix]
#2840874 - 06/29/04 05:36 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Panoramix writes:
Right. 'Cause, y'know, Bob Rae and the provincal NDP not only masterminded the international economic recession, but did everything in their power to propigate that situation.
Ther was an international economic recession that lasted till 1995? First I've heard of it. There certainly wasn't one for Canada's largest trading partner.
There's still this stereotype of left-of-centre parties being 'Bad for Money Stuff' and right-of-centre parties being 'Good for Money Stuff'.
The stereotype exists because it's true. Canada's misfortune is that there are no "right-of-center" parties.
But I'm happy, I voted for good old Alexa, and she got re-elected.
Look up "barking moonbat" in the dictionary and you'll see a photo of Alexa McDonough.
And voting NDP was strategic voting for me, I would normally have voted even further to the left.
So that's why the Marxist-Leninist candidate couldn't hold onto his lead!
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: Phred]
#2841336 - 06/29/04 08:49 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, I think it's safe to say you and I are unlikely to agree on anything, PinkSharkMark. But that's okay, 'cause I'm right. 
About the recession though... It did last in all of it's glory until 1994 (here at least) and yes, the States does tend to get the on the economic upturns before Canada does, probably part of what having way more people and a more vibrant tech-sector (which was one of the sectors that played a major role in ending the Recession, no?) will do for you.
Anyways, as far as the stereotypes regarding fiscal responsibility go, I've given a couple of examples of right-wing parties that haven't been so gifted when it comes to economic issues (Mulrooney, Harris, Bush II, Reagan, etc...). Are you saying that these weren't right-wing governments?
"Canada's misfortune is that there are no 'right-of-centre' parties." If you think the Conservatives aren't right-of-centre than your right-of-centre must come with its own jackboots and swaggerstick! That's fine, you stay down there with your Republicrats and Demublicans and I'll stay up here with an actual, somewhat fuctional democracy. I certainly hope your upcoming election goes better than the last one! That's one thing you can love about the NDP, the lengths they've gone to in order to help 'fringe' parties get a more reasonable chance. Because of them and the immense effort of the parties like the Green Party, the Marijuana Party, the Communist Party of Canada and such, a party only needs to recieve 4% of the popular vote in order to be considered an actual political party. So the Green Party might not get shut out of the debates the next time 'round. And that's not all! That's right, this election your vote is considered a 2.00$ endorsement of the party you voted for! One step closer to proportional representation and direct democracy.   
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: Panoramix]
#2842638 - 06/30/04 04:48 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Having "way more people" isn't the reason. The USSR had way more people. Also, of the ten countries in the world with the highest per capita income, only four have a population of more than a million people, and only one (the USA) has a population of more than 8 million. This would seem to indicate that having a large population is an impediment to prosperity.
Anyways, as far as the stereotypes regarding fiscal responsibility go, I've given a couple of examples of right-wing parties that haven't been so gifted when it comes to economic issues (Mulrooney, Harris, Bush II, Reagan, etc...). Are you saying that these weren't right-wing governments?
The US economy under Reagan (US version of right wing) was bad? If you say so. And no, Mulroney wasn't "right wing". He was the leader of the Canadian "Progressive Conservative" (only in Canada could such a contradictory name for a party exist -- oh, wait! I forgot about "Libertarian Socialist") party, which was slightly to the left of the US Democratic party.
I am not an American, nor do I live in America. I was born in Fort Churchill, Manitoba, and spent the first three and a half decades of my life in Canada. I've lived in seven out of the ten provinces as well as the Yukon and the North West Territories (before they were split and renamed) and visited the other three provinces. I have been living in the Dominican Republic for more than sixteen years now.
And I will concede that the whackiness of the NDP has been a factor in people looking for other alternatives to the Liberals and Conservatives. The Libs are corrupt and in thrall to Quebec, the Conservatives aren't conservative, and the NDP is full of loons and moonbats. Why not check out the Greens or Libertarians or the Marijuana party. Hell, why not check out even the Marxist-Leninist Party?
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: Phred]
#2843641 - 06/30/04 01:13 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Me: "...It's safe to say you and I are unlikely to agree on anything..."
Pinky: "Why not check out the Greens or Libertarians or the Marijuana party. Hell, why not check out even the Marxist-Leninist Party?"
Way to put my foot in my mouth for me. The Marijuana Party seems like it's a bit of a one-issue political movement more than a party to me, though. And they seem kind of redundent when the leader of the NDP is calling marijuana a "wonderful drug" (or maybe he said "beautiful drug", I forget, but it was something along those lines) on national television. 'The wackiness of the NDP' is right, my friend.
Alright, the real reason I voted for Alexa was just so I could be on the winning side for once. I grew up in Kingston, where Peter Miliken is the Liberal MP-for-Life, so getting to vote for someone I didn't disagree with (or rather, whose party I didn't disagree with on the vast majority of stuff) and having them win was such a tremondous thrill that I just couldn't resist. Plus the only other parties on the ballot were the Conservatives (neo-fascists), the Liberals (corporate mouthpieces) or the Green Party. And seeing as Green wasn't even remotely liable to win and the NDP pretends it will implement a lot of the Green Party's plans, I figured there was nothing to lose with voting NDP. Plus, I voted Green provincially and it's always a good idea to mix these things up as often as you can. 
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Re: The Upcoming Canadian Federal Election [Re: Phred]
#2845476 - 06/30/04 10:40 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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pinksharkmark said:[T]he Conservatives aren't conservative.
Are you familiar with the same Conservative Party that I am? The one that was deserted by former Reform/Alliance MPs for being 'too right-wing'? The very same Reform/Alliance party that's to the right of the Republicans in the U.S.?
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