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Even if you were in a simulation..
    #28284654 - 04/18/23 10:49 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

You would still have to deal with the circumstances!

A black hole.

Nothing more..

Everything is salient..

Leaves and braches, trees fall..

We can't get up..

But it's who we are.

Excellence is a married grace. A devotion to the subject matter..

Objevtive truth.. if it were so true than why the questioning?

Even if boundless prophets persist then we will all be Allys of the rite of Scottish Freemasonry.

Each to their own. But perfection is the ideal..

Either way we deal with what is happening to us!


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    #28284658 - 04/18/23 10:50 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

The man who knows magik, can overcome a simulation..

Take that to heart..

And realize what you are right now!


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Re: Even if you were in a simulation.. [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28284685 - 04/18/23 11:31 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Can you teach me magik? Where should I start?


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Re: Even if you were in a simulation.. [Re: Fridgedoor] * 1
    #28284713 - 04/19/23 12:32 AM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Oh man, dig into sigils, most of us are already experts at charging them.

Tarot is fun, tea reading is good, dream journaling can be fun.

Eat mushrooms and hang out outside.

Getting good at frisbee charges the ol magick gland something fierce!


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Re: Even if you were in a simulation.. [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #28284763 - 04/19/23 03:08 AM (9 months, 5 days ago)

I was sitting the other day, supposed to be meditating, but yapping. and I sort of prayed, give me a way to make money that is not so boring, something more along my interest. And it came back as, why make money? The body is not in your interest.

That was cool. Not that I felt quite ready. But meditation is not of the (physical) body, depending.


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Re: Even if you were in a simulation.. [Re: Fridgedoor]
    #28284771 - 04/19/23 03:30 AM (9 months, 5 days ago)

First off,
:birthday: HAPPY BIRTHDAY JACK STRAW :birthday:


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Can you teach me magik? Where should I start?




I know you didn't ask me, but I feel developing a magick practise has been instrumental in my life improvements over the last few years. (Since meditation is KEY, the oposite side of the same coin, I simply refer to my sessions as M&M)
To that end, I'm always keen to see others show interest in this valuable spiritual art form.

For some reason, I was inspired to listen to Jason Louvs "Entering the magick circle" this morning as I done the dishes (it was aight), I listened to that every morning from Jan '21 to May '21.
Don't really get on too well with Louvs stuff due to his personality (sorry Jason) these days but interesting to see your post after that.


Here's my tops tips for getting started:

  • Suspend disbelief. This (your practise) is something for you. Don't get caught in the trap of thinking you have to be able to explain anything, turn other peoples opinion on whether it's real etc.
    Magick relies on TRUE belief to start working properly so whatever gets you to that place 'safely' is part of your entry to understanding it.

    This also plays into what jack said about Tarot and the likes- adopt a method of divination that works for you (for me it's IChing) Divination, to me, bridges that gap between externalised action IE attributed to the Universe, and internal development/self knowing.
    Also serves nicely in not taking your practise TOO seriously, I regularly refer to my Wilhelm I Ching as a 'paper magic 8ball piece of shit' when it's too prescient/ sasses me


  • Take your time. Just like meditataion, magick is a path which takes time to properly integrate/navigate/derive use from.
    Be honest about the effort you're putting in and honest about why you're doing it.
    Are you willing to improve your life? Then how long it takes shouldn't matter too much compared to the knowledge that you can get there- every day you practise is a day closer to improving. I had to fake it till I made it, in this sense I had to internalise the rituals to the point I could do them on autopilot, leaving my brain free to focus on intent.


  • Practise AND Theory. Just like learning a musical instrument, magick works best with a (roughly) balance of practise AND theory. That means, read books and material yes, but these are only 'diaries' of how other practitioners got their shit done.
    Your ways may/will be very different (keep a journal) than what's in the books and you should, IMO, be open to any aspect that seems to speak to you. This leads us onto the next point.

  • Develop and become able to TRUST your intuition. So much of magick seems designed to speak to deep parts of the inner self (hence the vibration of words (mantra), ritualised actions (including mudra) these all play into maintaining a sense of focus that is INTEGRAL to the functionality of real magick) I often talk of 'tuning your apparatus' to me, this means being honest about and stopping the bullshit habits that actually serve to further seperate yourself from mental liberation.
    These habits include bullshitting yourself for furtherance/ advancement of some self-imposed narrative/ story. Addiction to false comfort and so on.

  • Recognise the magick in the mundane. Magick (Drala, whatever you want to call it) is around us whether we like it or not, just because Science has a label for it/ is able to describe the machanism of action on all manner of phenomenon, doesn't remove the magical aspect from it.

    The two are not mutually exclusive.

    Appreciate nature, pick up trash in the wild, sit for extended periods removed from the hustle and bustle of modern life and reconnect with the primordial forces around us, after some time you WILL feel the change.



In terms of rituals to get you started, look into:

Qabalistic Cross or QBL (the equivilent of blessing yourself in the Catholic church, IMO. Done before all rituals as a form of spiritual-hygeine, or as a stand alone as a way of reconnecting with the divine architect of existence (whether it's you or not is irrelevant)

Middle Pillar- a way of balancing and enhancing certain archetypal energy attributes within your own being, you can overlay any amount of personal association with each sphere once you get a feel for it.
They say it is for Auric protection/strengthening (see Melum & Josephs coat of many colours...) but even from a psychological standpoint it's worth its weight in gold.

LBRP and LIRP - The classic Golden Dawn style of banishing and invoking used to cleanse then recharge yourself and/or a space.
Think of it like refilling a glass of water until all the old flows out and your left with clean, fresh H2O.

Prayer/mantra- Develop a personal prayer or mantra and offer it up wholeheartedly. Showing gratitude in my prayers and rituals made my magick take off like wildfire, don't always be asking for stuff. Sometimes it's nice to put a lot of effort into simple thanks/ acknowledgment of what boons you have been given in life. I started including physical prostrations into parts too as a sign of humility

Get an honest meditation practise, length matters less than intention (lol).

I've been gettting great milage out of them as my regulars over the last few years.

Once you start reaching out to the Universe so much, it will eventually come to meet you half way.


Don't be afraid to pick and choose what works, it's what they do in 'Chaos Magick' and to me is the most honest way to go, unless you want to get into an order or something.
Try not to get lost in the 'glamour' of Grimoires, cool artifacts and aethstetic of the whole thing, be yourself because it's the only way to go.

Be committed, but don't take it too seriously, humour is essential, as is a casual approach to the more obscure/ paranormal aspects you may come into contact with.


Recommended books for starting (outside of the utter classics, IE the Crowley stuff, Dion Fortune stuff etc):

High Magick- Damien Echols (can't recc enough for a begginner book, his episode on DTFH/ Midnight Gospel done it for me.)

Magick White & Black - Franz Hartman

Low Magick- Lon Milo Duquette

Celctic Golden Dawn- John Michael Greer (great for nature stuff)

Liber Kaos - Peter Carroll

The Hermetica

The Laws of Eternity- Ryuho Okawa

The Hermetic Qabalah - Dr. Paul A Clarke

Look out for podcasts/vids with Josephine McCarthy, Dr. Stephen Skinner, specifically Glitch Bottle with Alexander Eth.

Josephine offers a great, free, non sectarian Magick + meditation course called "Quareia" I don't personally follow it, my SO does and loves it but I rate Josephines no nonsense, DIY Punk approach a lot.

I gotta go cos I'm running late for something but I'll be keen to chat more on this stuff down the line!

Although Alchemy is a field in and of itself (just old chemistry that lot) I feel like it's also a metaphor for the mental/spiritual transformations available to the practitioner.


M&M changed my life.




EDIT: I'm back, added edits in red

Doubs Edit: Realised this was pretty big, maybe thread derailing, let me know if you want it deleted brendan and I'll just PM fridgedoor the stuff :thumbup:


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Re: Even if you were in a simulation.. [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28285027 - 04/19/23 09:34 AM (9 months, 4 days ago)

nobody controls a sim because if someone were trying to control it the data would no longer be legit and that could cause the thing to break down, one doesn't run a sim on a computer trying to control the sim because that would skew the data collected and it would no longer be legit and the same would go for a simulated life if such a thing existed.

we would still have laws which we had to abide by, up is up, gravity is real, health and wellness are real, atheism/theism would play their parts, each thing which existed in the sim would be there for a reason in order to create a healthy equilibrium.

if one buys into the sim idea then research Indra's net or how some believe the world is actually a spiritual sim and not some advanced life-form sim.

qualia are another interesting thing to research in relation to navigating reality.

i believe the current consensus on reality is that we're in a natural world, the majority of the worlds population believe in Darwin's evolution or are religious/spiritual in some context.

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Re: Even if you were in a simulation.. [Re: Lucis]
    #28285221 - 04/19/23 11:48 AM (9 months, 4 days ago)

I think we are living in a simulation to the extent that I feel that what we see is not largely what it fundamentally is, "it's maya". However, just because we live in an illusion, doesn't mean those illusional things don't have meaning to them or represent something that is even more fundamentally important than what they appear to be on the surface level. I think the illusion itself is "real" because it exists, and it is meaningful, and it points towards something higher, something "realer than real".


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    #28285240 - 04/19/23 12:00 PM (9 months, 4 days ago)

Hey Lithop, this has been super informative and I honestly didn't expect that anyone would reply the way you did, so thank you, I really appreciate it.

It's interesting as I reconize a lot of the things you've mentioned in my doing already. Also what Jack said about tripping often outdoors in nature. I've done that for many years quite regularly. Only recently life happened and I won't be able to trip in the foreseeable future.

However I  meditate, I pick up trash, I established some sort of relationship with mother nature. I felt every plant in my garden (or what used to be my garden... but that's another story) had an own character.
I also discovered that kindness, opens many doors, which would have stayed closed otherwise. I learned that often what you put out comes back. This helped me greatly to become a better person.

I haven't connected all that to magick though. I guess I got the tools already, just need to know how to use them properly.

I had a long day today and need a rest, but feel free to pm me. I will definitely check out the literature you've mentioned.


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    #28285716 - 04/19/23 04:39 PM (9 months, 4 days ago)

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Can you teach me magik? Where should I start?



Yes just begin to have free intentions..

Realize you have freewill and there are no barriers in the physical world to your manifestations..

When you have the correct beliefs/faith things will start flowing.

Picking up a book about kabballah is healthy as well..


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    #28285720 - 04/19/23 04:42 PM (9 months, 4 days ago)

Lithop, excellent read..

And yes I am interested in more as much as I think others are as well..

I would definitely be interested in more posts from you..

Cheers! :grin:


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Re: Even if you were in a simulation.. [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28286289 - 04/20/23 02:31 AM (9 months, 4 days ago)

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Hey Lithop, this has been super informative and I honestly didn't expect that anyone would reply the way you did, so thank you, I really appreciate it.

It's interesting as I reconize a lot of the things you've mentioned in my doing already. Also what Jack said about tripping often outdoors in nature. I've done that for many years quite regularly. Only recently life happened and I won't be able to trip in the foreseeable future.





No sweat Fridgedoor-  your thread about inscence and shrooms was my first post on here:vaped:
It's great to hear that you already do all that stuff, I hope you get a lot out of it :thumbup:

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However I  meditate, I pick up trash, I established some sort of relationship with mother nature. I felt every plant in my garden (or what used to be my garden... but that's another story) had an own character.
I also discovered that kindness, opens many doors, which would have stayed closed otherwise. I learned that often what you put out comes back. This helped me greatly to become a better person.




:awesomenod: *high curiosity peaked* Another story you say....

Great insight there and I see similarities with things I also have rediscovered, but it was only thanks to beginning to refine myself with these practises did I really learn to use what I was feeling in relation to these events/milestones along the way, IMO.

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I haven't connected all that to magick though. I guess I got the tools already, just need to know how to use them properly.

I had a long day today and need a rest, but feel free to pm me. I will definitely check out the literature you've mentioned.




Aaaaand this is where I usually get uncomfortable trying to talk to people about this stuff:lol:
Attempting to give anything beyond basic advice I get the heebie jeebies heavy.
Might sound copout-y, but as with development on a spiritual path I feel like the real value comes from your personal interpretations and how you can apply it/ live it.

I believe it's a disservice for me, for all intents a novice at this stuff, to try and give you any real insight to developing your personal practise beyond the basic info I shared.
You DO have the tools IMO.
That's not to say I wouldn't be open to shooting the shit about various occult topics, history on certain rituals, systems and whatever!

Anyway, hope you had a chill night last night and that you can track down a few PDFs :rockon:




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When you have the correct beliefs/faith things will start flowing.

Picking up a book about kabballah is healthy as well..



:whathesaid:

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BrendanFlock said:
Lithop, excellent read..

And yes I am interested in more as much as I think others are as well..

I would definitely be interested in more posts from you..

Cheers! :grin:




Nice one dude well as I say to FD, I'm open and happy for more topics/discussion on magick/the occult in general popping up on this sub-forum!
I'll start thinking of some thread ideas that bring something cool and fun to the table outside of the usual stuff :juicy:


This thread got me thinking of what magick really MEANT to me, something I usually find the answer for all around me.

Started typing this morning and thought I'd look for threads on here on  the subject for, surprisingly, the first time.

Found a quote by Asante that sums it up- IMO- fucking PERFECTLY, so big props for how well put this is, sir.
Happy 420 everyone, I leave you with the quote;


Quote:

Asante said:
What is Magic?

As a former Magician I say, humbled:

When Divinity and You align to perform quantum feats on the macro level.

You cannot do it alone, without the Almighty enabling you.

The Almighty can do it quite well without you.

I broke my Magician's staff, retired to learn more from the True Magician:

The One who is All Things.

Source of all Love, source of all Magic.




:bow2:

POWERFUL.


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Re: Even if you were in a simulation.. [Re: Lithop]
    #28286353 - 04/20/23 04:59 AM (9 months, 4 days ago)

I think you'll find the simulation runs on magick.


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    #28286562 - 04/20/23 09:27 AM (9 months, 3 days ago)

"Attempting to give anything beyond basic advice I get the heebie jeebies heavy."

Reminded of the thought that if one is giving initiation, they have karmic responsibilities. Anyone who has awakening can awaken (energy) in others, yet some discourage it without proper consideration and advancement. If they awaken spontaneously then ok, but making the intention is heebie jeebie. Doing it under a master's request is different. ACIM gives that freely.

I don't post mantras that I don't think are widely in the public sphere, or those that I use primarily. I mean, any I know are out there - it's ok but initiating into a mantra, it is advised to take care.

-Om Namo Narayana-  Boot that up but just let me get out of the way first. :crankey:

In the mind I was having an interaction with Christ. We were facing each other, and I was answered in whatever clarification I was affirming, and I said ok in gratitude and started up with Om. Christ turned to stand beside me facing the same way, beholding the emanation into the void that He could see but I could not at the time. I felt I would never have thought that up.


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Re: Even if you were in a simulation.. [Re: syncro]
    #28287260 - 04/20/23 07:26 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

Regarding Magick..

The final goal of Magick is to be able to do what you want in the material realm. Flying, miracles, magic etc..

Saints and prophets have forwarded this philosophy. And this is the goal of the gnostic religions.

Doing your freewill.. or your true will.. being able to be 100% honest..

But we can't do that until we break and submit the realm of matter!


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    #28287265 - 04/20/23 07:27 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

Regarding mantras..

I just say silently or vocally whatever is on the top of my mind..

Granted, my mantra work is very eclectic and changes rapidly.


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    #28287535 - 04/21/23 12:29 AM (9 months, 3 days ago)

I would say we're primitive as regards magick.

Also regards general understanding of the sim. It has spaces and levels and rules, most people are just running about and wonder why it doesn't work even by the time you're 60.

I don't think we're necessarily supposed to die. I mean we don't actually die, we switch to a sim level and a new body level, but this 'material realm' as you say doesn't necessitate death. I don't believe I will die, or can. This is due to being on a level. History must be just beginning.


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    #28287640 - 04/21/23 05:32 AM (9 months, 3 days ago)

They appear to lose what they love, perhaps the most insane belief of all.

I think passing from this body will be an upgrade across the board. In relationships - those who currently no longer share our stage, it will be as after the show, the actors retiring together for drinks, and it will be jolly, and making new plays if chosen.

On the other hand, yogis have admonished that once we pass from the physical body, we can no longer spiritually advance, being where we are... this to me is controversial. Perhaps advancing here accomplishes significantly more in time.


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    #28287641 - 04/21/23 05:33 AM (9 months, 3 days ago)

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psilocybinmansions said:I think you'll find the simulation runs on magick.




Magic is a Celestial DLC for 'The Simulation' but they nerfed fuck out it with The Crusades, Pepsi, cable tv and pornhub.
:shrug:

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Reminded of the thought that if one is giving initiation, they have karmic responsibilities. Anyone who has awakening can awaken (energy) in others, yet some discourage it without proper consideration and advancement. If they awaken spontaneously then ok, but making the intention is heebie jeebie. Doing it under a master's request is different. ACIM gives that freely.





Insightful stuff, syncro. Cheers :yesnod:

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I don't post mantras that I don't think are widely in the public sphere, or those that I use primarily. I mean, any I know are out there - it's ok but initiating into a mantra, it is advised to take care.





Yeah, that's the right approach in my eyes.

Firstly because of that kind of gut feeling that seems to stem from (for me) trying to protect my personal practices for some reason, but I also think it's responsible in a sense.

Not only because of how influential these mantras/practices/ideas can be on the psyche therefore potentially wreaking havoc with someone who maybe struggles to maintain an even keel mentally in their lives (if it's to their detriment).


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-Om Namo Narayana-  Boot that up but just let me get out of the way first. :crankey:




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I'll look into it :thumbup:

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In the mind I was having an interaction with Christ. We were facing each other, and I was answered in whatever clarification I was affirming, and I said ok in gratitude and started up with Om. Christ turned to stand beside me facing the same way, beholding the emanation into the void that He could see but I could not at the time. I felt I would never have thought that up.





Sounds like one of those times where intuition takes the wheel for sure.
An interesting and strong experience man, thank you for sharing!

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BrendanFlock said:The final goal of Magick is to be able to do what you want in the material realm. Flying, miracles, magic etc..





Hmm, that might be your motivation for walking this path.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment in how it seems to speak of liberation from our perceived human limitations, I disagree in that personally I think the practice of magic(K) at its base is a way of refining, improving/expanding and balancing inner aspects, with view toward uncovering ways to more deeply involve/immerse yourself WITH the places we currently exist.

Stripping back societal programming, self induced delusions and other muck.

Part of that, yes, is developing the ability to know under which circumstances we can 'skew' the odds of probabilistic outcomes that without forethought, would seem like inevitabilities.

But the flip side of that coin, in this example, would be to realize the inherent difficulty/near impossibility in flying- physically unaided- as a human.
Magic doesn't seem like it's a cheat code into some level of 'the simulation' where you can put moon gravity on and shit, to me.

Naturally, that takes me to inner work and working to blur the defining lines between inner and outer experience, because I have never flown when not lying down and never in our externalised material space/realm.

It brought to mind a quote Lucis has posted here recently:

Quote:


Know the rules well so you can more effectively break them.





Looking at that quote from a magic standpoint, I read it as a suggestion that there are certain 'constants' or 'laws/rules' of the Universe that, in their repeatedly demonstrated power and scale of action, would take MASSIVELY POWERFUL feats of magic to circumvent or change.

Doesn't mean that there's not some 'exploit' or method out there to leverage your own position within the interplay but you end up working with a much smaller locus of effect than that of the overall 'rule of the Universe' and instead are working more with your own micro-version.
Very different, but not really :tongue:

Peter Carroll speak of this sort of thing in Liber Kaos (coupling here being the relationship between your magical intent and its outcomes):

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The coupling remains probabilistic, although many of the simpler mechanical events have an overwhelming probability of conforming to type.
Yet any novel event is chaotic although pattern forming.






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Doing your freewill.. or your true will.. being able to be 100% honest..




Strongly agree that this is a cornerstone of all magical doctrines as I understand them!
It can be surpingly slippery though, IME.



(Personally, I'm gonna drop the K from the word from now, in my eyes it only serves to differentiate between occult 'magick' and stage/slight-of-hand/show 'magic' and I dunno why I persisted with a spelling I don't use...)



Sorry if this message is a bit fried, I am still on that 420 clock.... On a serperate note in relation to banishing, who the fuck banished my dab yesterday?:shakecat:
*shakes fist trans-dimensionally*


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Re: Even if you were in a simulation.. [Re: Lithop]
    #28287656 - 04/21/23 06:00 AM (9 months, 3 days ago)

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syncro said:
-Om Namo Narayana-  Boot that up but just let me get out of the way first. :crankey:




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I'll look into it :thumbup:




I didn't mean to presume it as a practice you should do, like, this is better, etc., our practices being about taste and history. I was just giving love to the mantra, and getting out of way, joking about, like you said, the potential agitations in effect. :smile:


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