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Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues * 2
    #28283082 - 04/18/23 03:15 AM (9 months, 6 days ago)

I’ve got a number of health issues such as C-PTSD, treatment-resistant depression, anxiety, autism and ADHD. They of course also intertwine and share symptoms too.

I’ve been doing talk therapy and antidepressants for decades now, without a whole lot of luck. I’ve tried EMDR which just fucked my shit up without a lot of benefits. I have done a lot of work on myself, but I feel like I’ve hit a wall. I’m fed up and deeply frustrated with the fact that I’m barely surviving, not thriving, and that I’m not currently able to live a normal life through no fault of my own—despite years and years of talk therapy and trying a grocery list of medications.

Around the new year I started looking into psychedelics for mental health after hearing Graham Hancock on Rogan’s podcast, which sent me into a deep dive of research, which all sounds promising. I’m very interested in microdosing with a Stamets stack to start with, then possibly gradually increasing dosage to do stronger trips with intent. So I found the shroomery and started growing as what is for me basically a last ditch effort to heal myself. I’m sick of therapists who aren’t trauma-informed telling me to watch a happy movie, make some tea, and take a walk to treat my severe debilitating traumas (I’m not making that up unfortunately). I’d laugh if it weren’t so disgusting and sad.

Now that I’m getting close to a first harvest (fingers crossed), I’m really curious about other people’s experiences treating similar issues, positive, negative, or both. I’m sure there are a lot of people who are similarly motivated. The scientific research, such as it is, sounds amazing, so I’d also like to hear anecdotal stories. Microdosing, macrodosing, whatever. I’m fascinated and I’d like to hear more.

Thanks for sharing :smile:


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus] * 2
    #28283263 - 04/18/23 07:01 AM (9 months, 6 days ago)

When using psychedelics for mental health you really need to start from scratch there is no rule book. You have to figure it out. Took me over a year to finaly learn how to get the best theraputic benefits I can.
Learning the dose. Learning set/setting and building confidence with the medicine. That's how I done it slow and steady.
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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Kmacmo] * 1
    #28284554 - 04/18/23 09:38 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Only on the phone now but I will recommend this: start slow. Set the vibe with low lights and calm music, carve out time to experience and have someone you love and trust nearby and possibly a crystal or two to put on your body or hold onto for dear life.  Good luck and God speed!


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: fake estate] * 1
    #28286051 - 04/19/23 08:44 PM (9 months, 4 days ago)

Hi Mycodemus,

My issues are extremely similar to yours, minus the autism and ADHD. I also seem to have some sort of chronic fatigue issue. I had my first harvest recently and first trip last weekend (it's in the Trip Reports area if you want to read it).  I only had enough to take a low dose once, and it looks like I'm not going to have any more for a while (the grow didn't go so well). But I do have one little shroom put aside and I'm going to try to microdose with it, probably tomorrow.

I was really happy with how my first experience went. I took 1 dry gram of Golden Teacher and it was a really happy, fun, funny, safe, non-threatening time for me. I don't know if everyone's first experience is so positive but I couldn't possibly feel better about how it went. I think it did help me feel better even for a few days afterward. Of course a bad mood eventually returned, but I've got "high" hopes for the future with the magic mushroom method. :smile:

Like you I'm beyond frustrated with therapy and antidepressants. I'm absolutely done with them. I love Graham Hancock and I also love listening to JRE.  Good luck with everything, I hope you have a great first experience like I did.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: wanderer5]
    #28286350 - 04/20/23 04:54 AM (9 months, 4 days ago)

Serious things like schizophrenia, if it is primarily a disorder of thought and feeling and not hallucinations, can be suppressed or ingrained trauma, in actuality. LSD can get this moving out of the body through abreaction, at least during the comeup and first hour or so of the peak, where you can focus on the body and you're not in a higher reality and consumed with cognitive mysteries.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: psilocybinmansions]
    #28286436 - 04/20/23 07:09 AM (9 months, 4 days ago)

Thanks to everyone who has posted so far. I’m definitely going to start very slowly, probably the Fadiman microdosing protocol (with maybe some niacin and/or lions mane if I can find some lions mane) to start.

I did do shrooms a few times in my teens, one of which was an unintentionally high dose which wasn’t all that pleasant, but I did have a trusted person with me to sit, and it did end up making me quit cigarettes for life. So I have great respect for the power of this medicine and have no intention of diving into the deep end.

I’d love to hear more experiences :smile:


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus] * 1
    #28299165 - 04/28/23 05:37 PM (8 months, 26 days ago)

Here’s my story.

I have depression and a variety of hangups … Like a lot of people, I guess.

I did a 3 g GT dose under the supervision of a psychologist. I was hopeful and open minded as well as completely inexperienced with psychedelics.

After unpacking my weird introspective trip on the medicine, I found that I was no longer troubled by one of my issues. “I’m just different in this weird way, and I’m OK with that,” I realized. My unhappiness and self doubt about this one thing disappeared permanently… so far anyway. It’s only been a few months. (I also have to say that the trip was fascinating but not fun. I felt sick a lot of the time, like when you drink too much and get the spins. I can’t imagine doing it recreationally.)

Why did the medicine pick that issue to work on? I don’t know. I wouldn’t have put it at very the top of my priority list, maybe #2. But that’s how it went down.

BTW I had this experience knowing nothing at all about the field. I had heard none of the miracle stories like mine, talked to no one about trying it, seen none of the documentaries, never heard of Stamets, etc. So, I don’t think I fooled myself.

It was astonishing. It was a truly healing experience and it’s why I am on this forum today. To grow delicious lion’s mane, I mean. Yeah.

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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28301835 - 05/01/23 05:42 AM (8 months, 24 days ago)

Thanks for sharing, Anon #1. I’m so happy for you that you had a positive outcome.

Did you have a list of intentions? Was the psychologist experienced with psychedelic therapy? Will you do it again to see if it will help with your other issues?

As I mentioned, I did do a big dose as a teenager, probably a 3 or 4 level, for me it was awesome (in the grandiose and amazing sense of the word) and terrifying in turns, I felt like an alien in human skin…. and it was weird and scary but ended up making me quit cigarettes forever. I just saw how dumb and gross it was and how they were poison. I have had cigarettes once in a great while since then, but have never been tempted to smoke regularly ever again and in fact I really hate everything about them. So I have an idea of what power mushrooms have.

If things go well I should have a harvest in a few weeks. I’ve been using the time waiting for them to grow, to think about how to set healing intentions for my issues and traumas (of which there are many, and they intertwine in complicated ways). I don’t think I can just pick one and not have that pull on the strings in the web to end up in really dark places. And I don’t live in a place where there are psychologists familiar with psychedelics readily available.

As it is, my plan is to start with Microdosing, do that for a month or so and assess, and if it feels ok to gradually up the dose as suggested often here. I wonder if it’s ok to have as an intention to heal as gently as possible? It seems a bit general but I feel like if I get too specific, all roads lead back to Rome so to speak. And by Rome I mean when the barbarians were burning it down.

How specific should healing intentions be? Is there reading material on this subject somewhere?


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus] * 1
    #28302086 - 05/01/23 10:44 AM (8 months, 24 days ago)

Hi Mycodemus, here is my story. I am still figuring out my way but I have to say that shrooms do work for me. I had depressions in my twenties, took ADs for a short time and then found ways to cope with it (e.g sports) and led a rather happy life without medication.
During the pandemic it all came back, hitting me harder than before. Constant anxiety about the future and the increasing global crises weighed me down and sucked every pleasure out of life.
Last autumn I saw documentary about shrooms as a medicine. I started with a commercial set of B+, and after drying took below one gram, then increased the dose. It was a relief for me, a vacation from my depressed self and the effects lasted for a while. It helped especially with the anxiety.
I found out I'm rather sensitive and 1g is already intense for me, while my partner doesn't feel much. Everybody is different so starting low is a good idea.
But for me, the higher the dose the longer the effects seem to stay. 1.7g kept me in a decent mood for almost a month, then I had to repeat it.
Interestingly, the day after a trip I feel more down, I call it emotional hangover. After that, the positive effects kick in and life looks much brighter and I am positive and energetic.
I have no traumas from my past, so things might be different for you. I wish you all the best for your experiences and for healing yourself.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus] * 1
    #28302101 - 05/01/23 11:01 AM (8 months, 24 days ago)

In answer to your first questions... Yes, yes, and yes.

My intention was, "I am open to where this takes me, but I would most like to reflect on Issue #1."

It ended up being mostly about Issue #2 despite my intention. I may have been underestimating how much Issue #2 really bothered me... It may have been the real #1 all along.

I'm no expert in this, with only one experience and no psych degree. But from the reports I have read I do not get the idea that people are normally precisely targeting personal issues. I think your more general intention is a reasonable place to start. I suspect that staying positive, curious, and open to game time changes are the most important things.

The best analogy I can think of is dreaming. You are likely to dream about things that are on your mind, but it seems impossible for most people to pick what they want to dream about.

I would also like to know if there is more scientifically rigorous material to read on setting intentions, and not just peoples' trip reports. This may not exist yet since the research has only restarted in recent years, as the laws slowly change.

(Your cigarette story is amazing. They are so addictive, kicking the habit instantly is a hell of an outcome!)


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28303189 - 05/02/23 08:43 AM (8 months, 23 days ago)

Do you mean intentions for the trip or the general healing process? I don't think it is really necessary to formulate them before tripping because in my opinion the real magic starts after the trip, when the brain tries to rebuild the connections that have been scrambled up by the drug. That's the phase when you are most receptive for new points of view and new thought patterns could establish and override the old and "faulty" ones. Of course, experiences from the trip might resonate and cause a lasting impression but I doubt that one can influence so much where the journey goes. Proper set and setting are key but then it's a ride you just have to take.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: rocky_raccoon]
    #28303209 - 05/02/23 09:04 AM (8 months, 23 days ago)

I wouldn’t see need a drug for mental health. I got into using these for visionary experience. Sure, if wellness comes from experience, hi5!  Thing is, only momentarily last euphoria can reside for few days. Or to reflect in memory to experience, can placebo like that feeling over and over again. Can see if was to hold onto that sensation be could over lay that presence onto the presence of the now.  And can be said to help mental health. Not for me though.

Food and food, and water, do you drink enough water?  Also, good clean water not city adulterated water. Does make a difference.

Your brain feeds from the stomach, the heart, need feed good food to body for good to get to brain.

I eat all sorts of food. Proper organic simple meals were feel better than these ramen noodle packets eating now waiting for me paycheck. Thing about those is of how I can’t think right. Honestly, my thoughts are useless eating this diet of ramen noodle.

It’s pretty amazing to eat of all different quality of nourishment foods. Mental health plays 100% percent of what food we intake. Can’t disagree. For blood oils the brain.

Check your diet.

Eat mushrooms for the fun child like play, a wondering eye to beauty of life.

Mental health is for American Medical Association and if you not know that practice is pure malpractice ruing bodies left and right.

Isn’t not an honest mind free from mental health?  I’d say so.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: WhoManBeing] * 1
    #28303264 - 05/02/23 10:01 AM (8 months, 23 days ago)

Hi Micodemus

As others have suggested, the science is largely unproved.  It's easy to get caught up by all the anecdotal evidence, but it's important to look for both sides of the 'argument' and this forum is by its nature heavily stacked with people with a positive attitude about shrooms.

Having drafted a disclaimer, I'll share my own experience.

I'm bi-polar II with PTSD following an incident that resulted in what they call "life changing injuries".  I've been an involuntary patient in psychiatric hospitals on a number of occasions and for a long time I relied on mood stabilisers, anti-psychotics, and SSRIs in order to function in society.

I got interested in shrooms last year, but for recreation rather than healing. 

Immediately after my first harvest I found to my disappointment that the prescription drugs (particularly the SSRIs) damp down the effects - 5g dry was only light visuals.

With all those shrooms lying around, I started microdosing 0.2g dry each day.  In the subsequent 6 months I've stopped the SSRIs and anti-psychotics with no effect other than a greatly increased sex drive.

I won't try stopping the mood stabilisers as the process each way (titrating up or down) is very risky & I'd need monthly blood tests, but I'm so glad that I gave the shrooms a try.

One note of caution - if you take any meds at present, PLEASE talk it through with your doctor, if only so they can keep an eye on you in case things get messed up.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Janus62]
    #28303385 - 05/02/23 11:43 AM (8 months, 23 days ago)

Thanks Janus, I appreciate your advising caution to not just look at the positive anecdotes, which is why I made this thread. I didn’t have zero repercussions after that trip I took in my teens. I had to stop smoking weed afterwards for a few years because I’d be instantly back in the trip and it was extremely intense. Probably part of their message, looking back, but still.

I have Klonopin to take as needed against anxiety/panic attacks, and I take 10 mg Brintellix/Trintellix daily. It’s a newer AD with supposedly fewer side effects. I don’t feel like I have side effects, but I’ve played with the dosage and I dunno how helpful it really is either. AD’s are known not to work very well for PTSD/ trauma, which I can attest to.

I definitely don’t want to get my hopes up too much, but after decades of therapy and dozens of meds, I’m just so sick of all of it. I’m surviving, not thriving, and that seems unfair for this one life. MDMA seems like it has more research for trauma for now, but Mushrooms just seem easier to source even as a noob grower than clean MDMA, bc also I morally don’t want to contribute to gangs and their finances.

I have a plan for cutting back on my two meds, if it doesn’t work then I’ll go back on. I’ve played with the dosages enough that I feel confident doing it on my own, and I’m not addicted to the Klonopin. I unfortunately don’t think the doctor has the education to be able to give advice on psychedelics due to the laws.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus] * 2
    #28307256 - 05/05/23 05:55 AM (8 months, 20 days ago)

I too instantly quit cigarettes after one of my mushroom trips. Wasn't even planning on it, it just kind of happened. I've been using other forms of nicotine just no more tobacco, at the moment.

I suffer from depression, and it got really bad after going through a pretty emotionally abusive relationship (ex didnt used to self harm until she saw my body covered in SH scars, and tried to use it as a manipulation tactic against me, pretty fucked up shit amongst other things) and that led to me abusing alcohol for a couple years, getting DUI's, etc.

My very first mushroom trip got me to look at myself in the mirror for the first time in years, and I saw myself from another perspective. And I talked to myself for like 2 hours. It was like my mental self and physical self connected for the first time, I told myself that I don't deserve to be treated the way I treat myself, it really just stopped the gears of depression for 6 hours (vacation in my own body) and in that state of lifted depression I was able to talk myself out of the negative thought patterns I talk myself into constantly.

Deleted all my alarms that woke me up with labels such as "you are worthless, you will never be accepted, you will never have normal relationships, that car crash was supposed to kill you" Etc. Etc. Because I wouldn't treat anyone else that way, why would I do that to myself?

And depression for me is often a tiring process of any thought that I have (especially positive ones) get an instant contradictory statement against it. Like oh I want to play guitar when I get home --> no you don't, its frivolous and you will never good at it. Fuck you for wanting stupid things. So even after large amounts of caffeine I'd just go home and sleep because its very tiring to deal with

Well the mushrooms didnt make hat process disappear, but it allows me to direct it and use it to my advantage. Like with cigarettes, anytime I wanted a cigarette, my brain would shoot out a contradictory statement for not wanting to smoke. Like oh I want a cigarette --> no you don't, tobacco is trash.

I'm still working out a microdose regimen at the moment, but my bi-weekly trips have been immensley helpful in redirecting my rhought patterns amd allowing me to remember what its like to not be in that state of depression, and treat/speak to myself the way I do to others.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Tetrasage] * 1
    #28307327 - 05/05/23 07:17 AM (8 months, 20 days ago)

Tetrasage, thank you for sharing, and I really empathize with everything you’ve gone through. I used to be a cutter as well, and I’ve done a lot of work on myself with treating myself more kindly- it’s really hard when you’ve never really had true unconditional kindness modeled for you in life, especially growing up. I’m very happy for you that you’re starting to treat yourself more kindly.

Something about what you mentioned about your ex made me think of toxic and narcissistic relationships, and I recommend looking up Dr. Ramani. She’s on YouTube, has a couple books written, and has a podcast. She helped me a lot in learning to recognize these behaviors and avoiding people with them. Straight up, studying narcissism and dark triad personalities has changed my life. I wish you all the best, you deserve it.

I’m interested in how the continuing treatment with mushrooms goes with you, if it feels ok for you please keep me updated either here or feel free to PM if you prefer.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus] * 1
    #28307512 - 05/05/23 09:28 AM (8 months, 20 days ago)

Thanks man, and yeah I will definitley keep you posted on how things are working for me

And also for mentioning Dr. Ramani, I will for sure be looking into that when I get home from work. I've been kind of avoiding relationships lately as I piece myself back together. It hasn't even occured to me yet to look into human behaviors, but that sounds wicked helpful for not being so "afraid" of getting close to others, which I totally see myself falling into.

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it's really hard when you’ve never really had true unconditional kindness modeled for you in life, especially growing up.




Totally agree on that as well, hit the nail on the head in my experience.

But seriously, thank you thank you for the kind words, it's nice to hear when others have similar experiences with something thats not often talked about in brutally honest detail lol

Amd my inbox is always open, don't be afraid to hit me up as well. Mush love :smile:


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Tetrasage] * 2
    #28324039 - 05/17/23 09:25 PM (8 months, 7 days ago)

Mushrooms led me to God which led me to Aa(treatment), I credit my life now to these things. There is an awesome Aa group on the shroomery if you didn’t know. Past raging alcoholic here, in and out of the hospital a couple times and could never get my shit straight no matter how many times I tried to quit and when I was off it, the goal was to just stay off it. That’s not enough! For anyone who feels this disease is stripping them from their very bones. Booze was killing me and I could feel it more and more everyday, to satisfy the urge to just feel normal again? So is that such a bad urge? It’s a fucking hell hole. Talking about it keeps us sober and encourages other people who might struggle to speak up too. Everyone wants to help, it’s the only way to help ourselves! Love and bless. Check out the Aa thread below… it’s free, I think it’s priceless.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22559523


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Prolific Koi] * 2
    #28324506 - 05/18/23 08:13 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

I was on several antidepressants, but they weren't working for me. The baseline they maintained didn't leave me with much motivation to do anything, but I wasn't suffering from ideation. So when I tried my first dosage of mushrooms last year, it was a life changing experience. It led me to start growing my own. I tried my own crop just last night for the first time, which was also an amazing experience. But they aren't a panacea, just one aspect of a larger network of support I've made for myself.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Suzi]
    #28324687 - 05/18/23 11:48 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

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I was on several antidepressants, but they weren't working for me. The baseline they maintained didn't leave me with much motivation to do anything, but I wasn't suffering from ideation. So when I tried my first dosage of mushrooms last year, it was a life changing experience. It led me to start growing my own. I tried my own crop just last night for the first time, which was also an amazing experience. But they aren't a panacea, just one aspect of a larger network of support I've made for myself.



Love this thanks for sharing.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Tetrasage] * 1
    #28327821 - 05/20/23 05:12 PM (8 months, 4 days ago)

@Tetrasage

You talk about drinking large amounts of caffeine. Do you often do this? Anecdotally speaking, it seems that caffeine causes many people to experience increased background anxiety, neurosis etc. They often dont realize this until they stop drinking caffeine. If you drink a lot, it might be useful to taper off. Just something to think about

@Mycodemus

Cacti are also legal and growable, if you ever find yourself interested in mescaline. That is better for tripping than microdosing though


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #28328292 - 05/21/23 04:15 AM (8 months, 4 days ago)

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@Tetrasage

You talk about drinking large amounts of caffeine. Do you often do this? Anecdotally speaking, it seems that caffeine causes many people to experience increased background anxiety, neurosis etc. They often dont realize this until they stop drinking caffeine. If you drink a lot, it might be useful to taper off. Just something to think about

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Cacti are also legal and growable, if you ever find yourself interested in mescaline. That is better for tripping than microdosing though




I actually tried this with San Pedro, I grew it maybe 12 years or so ago. Prepared it according to some tek I found online (don’t remember where), and drank the whole nasty sludge but… nothing happened. Since then I haven’t been too eager to try again. Not sure if the seller sold me weak stock, or if I did the tek wrong, or whatever, but it was disappointing.


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    #28328409 - 05/21/23 07:17 AM (8 months, 4 days ago)

psilocybin reduces my need for weed and i think it has to do with the serotonin system outpowering the dopamine circuits in the brain... this is also one of the reasons why paranoia and critical selfreflection are more common with mushrooms than with lsd. the latter sometimes increases my weed and caffeine consumption in the following days, but not always. i think mushrooms generally make me less neurotic and more humble/content.


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    #28328958 - 05/21/23 03:41 PM (8 months, 4 days ago)

Certain strains of San Pedro can be fairly weak. I am growing more bridgesii cacti which is on average stronger. I personally enjoy it. We have a good growing thread on the shroomery for cati, but I am probably getting ahead of myself, as you should experiment with the mushrooms and see if you actually find them meaningful before engaging in a whole other pursuit

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    #28364042 - 06/18/23 05:41 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

Good luck on your journey. I tried microdosing after talking it over with an experienced friend. I came at the experience mostly to start building a relationship between mushrooms and me. The first couple of goes I tried one day on and then a few off. I felt lovely while on but more sad while off. When I tried 4 days on 2 off that worked for me.

I generally took them in the morning on an empty stomach in some lemon juice and soda water. I saw an improvement in my mood right away and noticed negative thoughts that I might normally get stuck on were less loopy and sticky. I kept a journal for about the first week but once I'd found the right rhythm for me I stopped journalling.

The most significant effect I have felt (and this might sound a bit unusual) was that I felt less lonely. With PTSD I have had times I felt afraid to be alone. When I micro-dose I am very intentional about it and talk to the mushrooms, treating the dose as a sacrament. I feel they hold me and gently guide me.

I hope you have good effects also.

Edit: Original post said macrodosing as a typo!


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    #28364057 - 06/18/23 06:06 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

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Good luck on your journey. I tried macrodosing after talking it over with an experienced friend. I came at the experience mostly to start building a relationship between mushrooms and me. The first couple of goes I tried one day on and then a few off. I felt lovely while on but more sad while off. When I tried 4 days on 2 off that worked for me.

I generally took them in the morning on an empty stomach in some lemon juice and soda water. I saw an improvement in my mood right away and noticed negative thoughts that I might normally get stuck on were less loopy and sticky. I kept a journal for about the first week but once I'd found the right rhythm for me I stopped journalling.

The most significant effect I have felt (and this might sound a bit unusual) was that I felt less lonely. With PTSD I have had times I felt afraid to be alone. When I micro-dose I am very intentional about it and talk to the mushrooms, treating the dose as a sacrament. I feel they hold me and gently guide me.

I hope you have good effects also.




Thanks for your input. I’m glad it’s working for you. I try to have the same attitude as you described. I also started a journal post here with my notes and observations with micro/minidosing. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28356482#28356482

Lemon juice and soda water sounds great, I’m going to try that :smile:


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    #28365882 - 06/19/23 04:50 PM (7 months, 6 days ago)

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    #28366541 - 06/20/23 02:04 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I'll share my background on this subject.  Cannabis was the first drug I tried, besides alcohol.  I didn't smoke weed til I was 18, but I remember being disappointed(this was "mids" from the early 2000's).  I really wanted to try mushrooms after that.  I think from the start, I was interested because people said shrooms take you to different worlds.  I was unhappy with the world I saw at the time.  I had issues with depression, was diagnosed with ADHD around age 11, was prescribed meds off and on through high school.  I was kind of done with all that.  My brain was still maturing, maybe slower than some of my peers, and I was really looking for answers.  I wasn't satisfied with what I had been told in school and church, on tv, ect.

The first time I did(finally found) shrooms was a chocolate bar, and to this day, I'm impressed with how much shit they got in that little chocolate for it to taste so smooth.  It supposedly had some cannabis butter in it as well.  I remember I had a bic pen and a paper tablet with me, and I started drawing, a lot, for the first time in years.  It really set me off on making art.  Drawing has been an interest of mine since I was little, but I'd just forgotten about it.  So yeah I started drawing a lot after that, and as I tripped other times, I was sure to have drawing supplies on hand.  Less than a year later, I ate 7 grams, which is the most I've taken to date.  It was really amazing, and I thought I had life all figured out.  Well, that was years ago, and I still don't have much figured out.  But I don't really worry about figuring things out anymore.

I would not advise a large dose to "fix" yourself.  This has been discussed in other threads, as it's become popular for people, especially young men, to take these "heroic doses".  I did that once like I said, and while there was no harm done, it probably wasn't necessary.  I've never felt much effect from micro-dosing, but others would disagree, results may vary.  My standard dose is anywhere from 1.5 to 3g.  I usually don't even do a full 8th anymore.  Each trip is different.  Often times, things will click in my head, I will have little "ah-ha!" moments.  It can be helpful to write those thoughts down, and assess them the next day.  Sometimes there's some really good stuff that can help me improve the way I think, if I keep at it.

A good support system is really important.  If you have people in your life who know you trip, and don't judge you for it one bit, those are great friends.  It's nice to have at least someone you can talk to during and after the trip, someone who knows the issues you deal with.  Best of luck to you!


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    #28366735 - 06/20/23 07:31 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Severe depression since february 2022 because of a deep loss in my life. Tried ECT, was commited to psych ward, tried medication  CBT, exercise. I think I am better now than at my worst, but it is so difficult to evaluate progress. I am still not well at all

Tried 3 grams of psilocybin mushrooms in a group therapy session earlier this month. Overall I was dissapointed by the weak effect. I had quit all medications one month prior, maybe I should have been off them longer.

Anyways. Dissapointed in the weakness of the trip but it did let me experience a brief moment of total acceptance and compassion towards myself, life and others. Today a couple of weeks after the trip I am still depressed but I guess the trip did plant a seed that I will try to cultivate. I no longer feel the acceptance and compassion but at least I can remember what it felt like.

Currently considering a second and much stronger trip to see if that would rattlw my brain more and pull me out of this depression.

I wish you the best of luck with your journey

Edit: after one trip I am not qualified to make any judgment but my initial impression is that psychedelics can be a very valuable tool in recovert from depression, but it seems unlikely to be a quick easy fix.


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    #28366881 - 06/20/23 09:39 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I've not posted on here in a while. I've read through this post before and thought about responding, so I might as well do this now.

For what it's worth, I just consumed some mushroom tea so my shit might start falling off before I get done writing, bear with me.

I'm in the same boat, diagnosed with PTSD, medication resistant major depressive disorder, anxiety disorder, OCD and DID. Tried a bunch of different meds that only made me worse, been in and out of therapy for 30 years with very little to show for it.

Three years ago I hit what I thought was the absolute bottom, I went from being passively suicidal to active suicidality. The only time I found peace was when I was thinking about how to end things for good. Wound up calling the suicide hotline, getting back into therapy and just trying to power my way through, like I had always done. The suicidal thoughts were still there, I had never been able to escape them but I was trying to just live with them. Then about two years ago I had an experience that I still struggle to find words for. I was sitting in the living room, feeling a bit down, but no worse than normal when all of the sudden it was like my soul drained away from my body and I just wanted to die. I physically grabbed the sofa and dug in, fearing that if I let go I'd do something stupid like follow through with my ideations.

Afterwards I knew I had to find a way out of the mess that I was in, I didn't want to die, but I wanted to end the suffering. It didn't take too long to land on mushrooms as a possible way through itn all. Cutting to the chase, I did two grams, had a wonderful trip and lost most of the depression and anxiety. I tripped regularly for about a year and have wound up feeling better than I ever knew was possible.

The thing is, it has been hard work. The tripping part has almost always been fantastic, even the really challenging/distressful trips just had this effect on me where I come out the other side feeling connected to both myself and the universe around me. That is the thing that has led me down a path of healing. Before I tripped, I suffered without understanding. I hurt but I could find no reason for it. Once I tripped I gained the ability to see inside and experience my own emotions, I could see the way in which I viewed myself and I could trace my self concepts back through time and into my early childhood. I found my self hatred, my shame, my guilt and self doubt. All the ugly things I kept buried away because I felt that I just could not bear to face them. But facing them has been an absolute neccessity because those are the things that drive me to self destruction. My desire to live was strengthened by tripping to the point of becomeing stronger than my fear of facing my fears.

The past two  years since I first tripped have been both the hardest and the most rewarding time of my life, and I'm an old man who has most of the major life events long under his belt. I have hurt more, cried more, felt more than I ever though possible. But through it all I have discovered a deep sense of peace and grattitude--- and belonging, that's the really odd one for me, I have always felt like an innappropriate misfit in life, now I accept myself and all of my oddities. I know that I'm an idividual comprised of thousands of thoughts and experiences that come together in a unique way. I am amazed by my own existance in this slow motion, cascading eplosion that we call out universe. I belong here.

Welp, the shrooms have kicked in. Fuck this, done talking!
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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: TerdleMountain]
    #28366944 - 06/20/23 10:47 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Keymaker, I agree on the large dose thing, so far at least. I wrote in my journal about what was really a mini or low dose and it was properly mind blowing without being scary or overwhelming. I’ve been sticking to very low doses, sub perceptual or barely perceptual most of the time.

Newaccounts, I’ve been following your thread and I hope you can figure out what works for you.

Terdle, you brought tears to my eyes. I’m really happy to hear that you’ve found something to help you get to the roots of your trauma. Research says that going to the root is the only way to truly cure trauma, everything else is essentially a bandaid. Apparently this is why MDMA is so helpful, because you can examine your past without the danger of retraumatisation, which a lot of trauma-uninformed therapies can’t offer.

I’m still at the beginning stages of my own journey with healing via mushrooms, but I’m really happy that people are sharing their stories. I’m sure there are a lot of lurkers for whom these posts are giving a lot of hope and maybe a hint of what path to take next.

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    #28366965 - 06/20/23 11:09 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I am actually a therapist and the reason I am here is because of mental health and shrooms connection.
The way I got into shrooms was a friend of mine was constantly being diagnosed when under the influence, or going through withdrawals and she believed that she had all these serious mental health disorders.
In reality she has experienced severe trauma and has been in active addiction for a very very long time, up to 20 years, I am guessing.
I started research macrodosing to assist her.
it is how I found this site, etc
I had it all set up for her to use, I grew them, ground them up, made capsules, etc and gave them to her.
I was so happy and looking forward to her telling me how it affected her.
She took them all at once.
Lesson was her Sud issues overwhelmed the mh issues. Her biggest coping skill was to use to deal with issues .
I was hurt.
I am not her counselor I am her friend.
I would like to try again but I am not in a position to allow anyone to know what I am doing. I hide it.
And I have yet to be able to get mycelium growth again.
I cant make my own stuff like everyone suggests, I cant allow anyone to know what I am doing.
I 100000000% believe it helps others.
I hope I am able to help her help herself some day.

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No one on here other than one person I became friends with knows about my occupation, etc. I keep it to myself and would probably never admit it.
I have learned a LOT.. I mean A LOT about life in general since being on here


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    #28366973 - 06/20/23 11:20 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Is he or she open to the possibility that she might be an addict/alcoholic? And that all those symptoms could simply be a manifestation of the disease? This one struck a cord. Mushrooms made me aware of my addiction. I’m not saying everyone’s an addict, all I’m saying is that mushrooms might also give that realization to others who are open to change, giving themself up to God and others. Shit works and it’s free to anyone. I think we try and complicate all these little issues when they stem from one main traumatic issue. It may be addiction, ptsd or whatever. It’s a simple way of living buts it not easy and having faith is trusting in that process. Without that faith, I lose my mind, I’m only human, let god control the things I cannot and let me trust in that. If I can’t do that, imo I’m fucked, and I’ve proven that to myself and others lmao.


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    #28366991 - 06/20/23 11:30 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

She is aware. I have helped her go to detox and inpatient on two different occasions.
Currently she accepts it and just gives herself rules, etc. For example: Not going over 2 days with no sleep, etc. Drug of choice is meth
What I am the most concerned about is she is homeless, has 4 kids, and sells to provide an income for herself.
She has a camper trailer she lives in, kids are with dad who only provides a roof over their head, and cops are watching her.
Her bf is so so so abusive and uses her for drugs. That will only change when she realizes it.
I really like her alot. I consider he my friend, genuinely.
I struggle because she creates a lot of her own issues.. like we ALL do.
I see kids in school and At the school her children attend I often hear about them because they miss a lot of school, and teacher are concerned about their home life, etc
I thought addressing her mh was the best way. Since she does not want to address her sud issues.


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    #28367004 - 06/20/23 11:36 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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I am actually a therapist and the reason I am here is because of mental health and shrooms connection.
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I heard everything you said.

Currently I'm studying to become a Peer Recovery Specialist with an eye towards becoming an LCSW or a licensed community counselor. I have found and can see the immense healing potential of these drugs, but I also recognize the potential for misuse (using them to hide from the pain rather than embracing it). I have found a surprising amount of acceptance for my use of psychoactive substances among mental health practitioners, but an equal or greater amount of resistance from those in positions of higher "authority". Hopefully things will change for the better.

I empathize with your pain from attempting to help your friend, but I hope you gained some wisdom from it. People don't want to suffer, but they don't understand how to end it. They don't see that healing comes from the inside so they look towards external sources to make them feel better. Trauma is a factor in about 80% of all addictions, you can't just hand someone drugs and hope for the best, it takes educations and skill building (meditation, grounding and orienting) along with tons of personal support along with support from a community that understands. Healing takes work, often more than one person alone can put into it.


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    #28367007 - 06/20/23 11:38 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Let’s get you an account!


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I am actually a therapist and the reason I am here is because of mental health and shrooms connection.
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I heard everything you said.

Currently I'm studying to become a Peer Recovery Specialist with an eye towards becoming an LCSW or a licensed community counselor. I have found and can see the immense healing potential of these drugs, but I also recognize the potential for misuse (using them to hide from the pain rather than embracing it). I have found a surprising amount of acceptance for my use of psychoactive substances among mental health practitioners, but an equal or greater amount of resistance from those in positions of higher "authority". Hopefully things will change for the better.

I empathize with your pain from attempting to help your friend, but I hope you gained some wisdom from it. People don't want to suffer, but they don't understand how to end it. They don't see that healing comes from the inside so they look towards external sources to make them feel better. Trauma is a factor in about 80% of all addictions, you can't just hand someone drugs and hope for the best, it takes educations and skill building (meditation, grounding and orienting) along with tons of personal support along with support from a community that understands. Healing takes work, often more than one person alone can put into it.




Completely agree

Congrats on peer recovery specialist. They are huge assets to my work. HUGE
Where I live they just changed the laws and developed new laws to assist in getting ppl into recovery faster. Now recovery navigators can do assessments to get people into detox and IIP faster. They are able to take people to detox the same day they ask for help.
I love it
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE treatment over jail/prison.
I love that people are allowing themselves to be educated and see that treatment works, sometimes it takes 20 times.. but addiction is real and debilitating.
I have learned so much here.
I will quietly return to my shadow position.
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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #28367045 - 06/20/23 11:55 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

After doing a lot of research on trauma, I strongly believe that in the majority of cases, addiction is a symptom of trauma. Dr. Gabor Mate has a lot of interesting things to say about this.

Anon, I hope you make an account, seems to me you have things to contribute on this subject. also, you seem like an incredible friend and an empathetic person. I hope you don’t dim your shine because of this friend, who seems like she isn’t ready to deal with her core traumas. Everyone has their own timeline, and I know it’s painful, but you’ve gone above and beyond so I hope you don’t blame yourself for what’s out of your control or responsibility.


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    #28367050 - 06/20/23 11:58 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Dr Gabor Mate is one of my favorites. I have listened and read everything he has put out. I really like him alot. I have a tremendous amount of respect for his work. I am kind of close to Vancouver BC and know first hand what he discusses. I like him a lot.

I have been on here for a few years. I have an account. If I am going to talk about this I'll remain anon. People judge harshly on here.


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    #28367053 - 06/20/23 12:01 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

One of my best friends is a therapist, but she’s on her way out of the profession due to burnout. I wish I could encourage her to explore psychedelics irt therapy but it’s not legal here. I’ve sent her links, but she is so burnt out that she doesn’t seem to want to learn about anything mental health related. Understandable, but I wish I could talk with her about it.


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    #28367143 - 06/20/23 12:50 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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Congrats on peer recovery specialist. They are huge assets to my work. HUGE
Where I live they just changed the laws and developed new laws to assist in getting ppl into recovery faster. Now recovery navigators can do assessments to get people into detox and IIP faster. They are able to take people to detox the same day they ask for help.
I love it
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE treatment over jail/prison.
I love that people are allowing themselves to be educated and see that treatment works, sometimes it takes 20 times.. but addiction is real and debilitating.
I have learned so much here.
I will quietly return to my shadow position.
Judgment is harsh here. And I really enjoy being here




I hope I didn't come across as harsh or judgmental! Wasn't my intent at all, I get really passionate about certain topics and have a tough time regulating my emotions. I've lost too many friends to addiction, including my brother. The feelings I carry along drive me to both want to rescue people and beat the shit out of them till they listen, sometimes it takes one way to reach the other.

Good on ya for doing the work! And I don't blame you for the veil of anonymity, people here I think are generally really good folk but sometimes there is an edge to it. Eh, it part of the story of humanity and we just have to roll with it.

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    #28367221 - 06/20/23 01:15 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I've read that being a therapist can be one of the most stressful jobs today.  I really appreciate anyone coming on here anonymously to share thoughts on this subject from the point of view of a health professional.  Sometimes you have to remain anon to discuss certain things.


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    #28367261 - 06/20/23 01:43 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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Tried 3 grams of psilocybin mushrooms in a group therapy session earlier this month. Overall I was dissapointed by the weak effect. I had quit all medications one month prior, maybe I should have been off them longer.




That is very likely. I just read a study that said SSRIs can reduce the effects of psychedelics for months after tapering off. It sounds like you still got something out of the session though.


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    #28367273 - 06/20/23 01:55 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I’d argue that we’ve had these addictive tendencies since we were infants… something traumatic happens and fight or flight instincts kick in triggering Addiction that might have been there the whole time. That’s the other way to look at it and there are many people who have had traumatic abuse or whatever it may be without resorting to addiction. I think it’s genetic as well.


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    #28367303 - 06/20/23 02:18 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I think each person is an individual and as much as society wants a cookie cutter answer, there is not one. Everyone has different reasons for why.

I fully support harm reduction. And I think that tough love kills people. But that fine line of enabling and showing love .... hurts alot.

My personal and professional views on addiction have not always aligned. I am currently changing that. I don't tell people what to do.. ever. I never do that.
I only do abstinence based treatment when it is desired or court ordered.
I personally dont care if people use or not. I dont. I do care that someone is happy and content with the consequences of their own choices.
I have often assisted people in controlling their use vs abstinence.
It is more important to me to be there when they are ready.

I AM SO TIRED OF WATCHING PEOPLE DIE
seriously.... I am so tired of it.
This is opioid crisis is on a different level. Everyone keeps dying and all people want to do is incarcerate them or shame them.

I AM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE PUTTING OTHERS IN JAIL
You can be high all day for a .20 soup that on the streets costs $40. Incarceration makes it WORSE. They get more traumatized and lose their healthy coping skills.
I fully think part of the opiate crisis is because we threw everyone in jail.. this is the after math.
Obviously there are other components. But I think it is a big one.

LOVE your people. SHOW them you love them. BE KIND
if someone is suicidal get them help ASAP..
STIGMA KILLS PEOPLE
suicide and drug overdoses are off the hook...

Burnout is real.... daily struggle. There is no support and no one to talk to about it. People are not nice. Until they need you.


I just got someone into detox today and I am so happy. SO SO SO happy.


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Congrats on peer recovery specialist. They are huge assets to my work. HUGE
Where I live they just changed the laws and developed new laws to assist in getting ppl into recovery faster. Now recovery navigators can do assessments to get people into detox and IIP faster. They are able to take people to detox the same day they ask for help.
I love it
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE treatment over jail/prison.
I love that people are allowing themselves to be educated and see that treatment works, sometimes it takes 20 times.. but addiction is real and debilitating.
I have learned so much here.
I will quietly return to my shadow position.
Judgment is harsh here. And I really enjoy being here




I hope I didn't come across as harsh or judgmental! Wasn't my intent at all, I get really passionate about certain topics and have a tough time regulating my emotions. I've lost too many friends to addiction, including my brother. The feelings I carry along drive me to both want to rescue people and beat the shit out of them till they listen, sometimes it takes one way to reach the other.

Good on ya for doing the work! And I don't blame you for the veil of anonymity, people here I think are generally really good folk but sometimes there is an edge to it. Eh, it part of the story of humanity and we just have to roll with it.

Rock on!



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Your post was nice to read.
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    #28367461 - 06/20/23 04:04 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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I’d argue that we’ve had these addictive tendencies since we were infants… something traumatic happens and fight or flight instincts kick in triggering Addiction that might have been there the whole time. That’s the other way to look at it and there are many people who have had traumatic abuse or whatever it may be without resorting to addiction. I think it’s genetic as well.





It all begins in the first weeks of infancy... how you attach to your mother/primary caregiver. We are born without knowing how to cope with stress and have to rely on mom to learn how to self sooth and regulate our emotions. If mom is emotionally unavailable then baby has to deal with things in the best way they can find, which causes problems later in life as an infant mind has no way of building healthy coping strategies on their own and the unhealthy ways they learn usually remain in effect for life... or until you hook up with a good therapist.


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    #28367926 - 06/20/23 10:57 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Lmao that’s funny cause I used to cling to my mom. Hahaha so there’s the other addict/alcoholic too who has mommy issues(Me). I never actually thought of it like that, but shit man that rings to me haha makes so much sense. I believe you 100 % thanks for sharing. I too also have a bunch of alcoholics in my family so that really doesn’t help but helps so much now that I’m off the shits.


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I’d argue that we’ve had these addictive tendencies since we were infants… something traumatic happens and fight or flight instincts kick in triggering Addiction that might have been there the whole time. That’s the other way to look at it and there are many people who have had traumatic abuse or whatever it may be without resorting to addiction. I think it’s genetic as well.





It all begins in the first weeks of infancy... how you attach to your mother/primary caregiver. We are born without knowing how to cope with stress and have to rely on mom to learn how to self sooth and regulate our emotions. If mom is emotionally unavailable then baby has to deal with things in the best way they can find, which causes problems later in life as an infant mind has no way of building healthy coping strategies on their own and the unhealthy ways they learn usually remain in effect for life... or until you hook up with a good therapist.




If anyone is unaware, this is called Attachment Theory and is very worth looking into. The aforementioned Dr. Gabor Mate talks about it in regards to trauma, but there are books such as Attached by Amir Levine and Attachment Theory by Thais Gibson that give a broader overview.

Often people with C-PTSD have a Disorganized style, which is a mix of Avoidant and Anxious attachment styles (I won’t go into definitions here, but do look them up). I’m pretty sure I have Disorganized, but I’ve worked on it and apparently you can change your style with work and patience. Who you associate with and what their styles are can affect yours, something I have observed in myself. I do think I’m closer to Secure style now than I was years ago due to the work I’ve done, and due to cutting out people in my life who weren’t healthy relationships.


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    #28368214 - 06/21/23 05:57 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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If anyone is unaware, this is called Attachment Theory and is very worth looking into. The aforementioned Dr. Gabor Mate talks about it in regards to trauma, but there are books such as Attached by Amir Levine and Attachment Theory by Thais Gibson that give a broader overview.

Often people with C-PTSD have a Disorganized style, which is a mix of Avoidant and Anxious attachment styles (I won’t go into definitions here, but do look them up). I’m pretty sure I have Disorganized, but I’ve worked on it and apparently you can change your style with work and patience. Who you associate with and what their styles are can affect yours, something I have observed in myself. I do think I’m closer to Secure style now than I was years ago due to the work I’ve done, and due to cutting out people in my life who weren’t healthy relationships.




I have/am healing from disorganized attachment. It takes a "good enough" attachment figure and plenty of time to heal. Just to fill in.. disorganized attachment is where you want to strongly connect with others, but that is balanced by a deep set fear of making that same connection. It happens when your caregiver is both a source of nurturing (food, warmth, comfort) and a threat (emotionally unavailable or abusive).

"Can I trust?" is the first question that must be answered for a baby. If the answer to that is "No.", then everything else in that child's development is screwed up and leads to it being more easily traumatized the rest of it's life. (Ericson's Stages of Psychosocial Development)

Two other really good authors on C-PTSD are Janina Fisher and Alice Miller... Peter Walker's book, "Complex PTSD- From Surviving to Thriving" is super helpful and is at the top of my recommendation list.


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    #28368566 - 06/21/23 11:02 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Sadly to say, I feel like suddenly everything is going in the wrong direction again. I have felt during the first half of this year that I was slowly getting better. But this week I have rapidly spiraled back into what reminds me of my worst days. Strong anxiety, poor cognitive function.

I guess I should maybe at some point during the summer try one more trip, on a high dose. But if that doesn't work I guess it's back to the big pharma meds again. They didn't cure me but it seems they at least made me feel a little bit better.


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I have/am healing from disorganized attachment. It takes a "good enough" attachment figure and plenty of time to heal. Just to fill in.. disorganized attachment is where you want to strongly connect with others, but that is balanced by a deep set fear of making that same connection. It happens when your caregiver is both a source of nurturing (food, warmth, comfort) and a threat (emotionally unavailable or abusive).

"Can I trust?" is the first question that must be answered for a baby. If the answer to that is "No.", then everything else in that child's development is screwed up and leads to it being more easily traumatized the rest of it's life. (Ericson's Stages of Psychosocial Development)





Wow, never heard of that before but that describes me perfectly. I just don't know how and if I could heal from it. But the way you describe it it fits me perfectly.

I was raised initially by a single mother who did her best (god bless her). She was very loving but from as early as I can remember she alternated in periods between her "normal" self and a very low-mood, negative and conflict seeking mood. And then entered an abusive step father into the mix...


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Sadly to say, I feel like suddenly everything is going in the wrong direction again. I have felt during the first half of this year that I was slowly getting better. But this week I have rapidly spiraled back into what reminds me of my worst days. Strong anxiety, poor cognitive function.

I guess I should maybe at some point during the summer try one more trip, on a high dose. But if that doesn't work I guess it's back to the big pharma meds again. They didn't cure me but it seems they at least made me feel a little bit better.




Healing is not linear. There are good days and bad days.. sometimes the bad days just string together and you wind up back in the same old hole.
It's like riding a river, when things are smooth you can just float along and enjoy the ride. Sometimes the water is rough and threatens to pull you under, it's always changing. The key to it is having many tools to fall back on as conditions change. Daily practice with mindfulness and grounding are a must. I know that, for myself, if I don't spend a little time each day taking stock of my emotions, things can creep in and I start getting more easily irritated and short tempered. By noticing it early and recognizing the things that are causing me to feel that way, I can address them and avoid falling over a cliff emotionally.

Nothing wrong with being on medication. If it works and keeps you more even then go with it. I do understand the desire to fix it now though. Mushrooms can help, but it still takes a lot of work. I can't stress mindfulness enough, it should be the first thing you work on because if you don't know the how and why of your emotions there isn't really a way to correct them.

I got started by asking myself a simple question, "How do I feel today." and then answering that as honestly as I could. That's about as simple as I can explain what a mindful practice is. Repeat the question to yourself a few times though the day, set a timer if you need reminding as you want it to become a habit.

The other part is learning to ground yourself. This just means cooling down some of the emotions that are running through you. Breathing works really well for me. A deep, quick inhale through the nose and then a long, slow exhale through pursed lips (like you are trying to whistle, but don't whistle) while letting your body relax. There is biology behind it having to do with the vagus nerve, so it automatically sends your body into "cool down". There are a bunch of other techniques, such as tapping, that work too. You just have to try some and see what works.

Take a deep breath and focus on how slowly you can let it out. At the end of the breath, in you mind, ask yourself how you're doing--just like you are talking to a dear friend. It might seem weird at first but don't worry about it, no one will know what you're doing. It might work the first time you try, if not just keep practicing. It might take a few days or more but when you get it you'll know. Healing starts with caring about yourself and taking time to listen to your body and your emotions.

And big doses are great, but often a smaller dose is what it takes. I found out that .5g can be a powerful dose for healing work. Be flexible, the river is always changing.


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    #28368854 - 06/21/23 02:25 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Beautifully put, TM. Thank you.

Something I read on the forums recently had to do with dealing with upsetting thoughts. Ask yourself 1. Is this true, and 2. Is this useful. I’ve used this a few times since I read it and for me it’s been helpful. If it’s not both true and useful, then it’s best to replace it with something positive, or at the least, disrupt the train before it goes off the rails.


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    #28368897 - 06/21/23 02:48 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Beautifully put, TM. Thank you.

Something I read on the forums recently had to do with dealing with upsetting thoughts. Ask yourself 1. Is this true, and 2. Is this useful. I’ve used this a few times since I read it and for me it’s been helpful. If it’s not both true and useful, then it’s best to replace it with something positive, or at the least, disrupt the train before it goes off the rails.




That is from Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) and is a part of a technique called reframing. IMO it's one of the most effective tools for changing how you interface with the world. Traumatized people carry with them ideas about the world that formed in childhood and just do not work in an adult world. The idea is to get you questioning those beliefs and then using your adult mind to understand them in a new way-- reframing how you think. It can be really odd when you first realize how misguided your life long views really are.


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    #28377620 - 06/28/23 10:10 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

Mushrooms/LSD/MDMA broke me out of depression. It showed me new thoughts and feelings that gave me a different perspective on life. Mostly positive. I also had some very bad experiences on mushrooms and LSD. I had long lasting trauma. But even then, it improved my life significantly. It put a fire up my ass to work to be a better person.


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    #28389508 - 07/08/23 04:22 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

I ended up here after searching for "autism."

I'm in my mid 60s. I was unaware of my diagnosis all my life because my very, very good mother was educated and got me some kind of "socialization" training, even back then in the dark ages of psychology. I didn't become aware until I had a psychotic break, due to hellacious stress and undiagnosed bipollar.

In brain function disorders, you often get a package deal - mine was high functioning autism spectrum + hypomania. THAT was a sweet ride, lemme tell you.

(one cool thing about it is I get synesthesia without being high. Things like words have a taste and texture when I speak, or even numbers are round and blue, but odd numbers are pointy and red. Which means that even numbers are gentle democrats and odd numbers are harsh republicas. I know. It's crazy. Just imagine what it's like when I trip...)

So... To the mushroom thing...

With autism, I find it almost impossible to easily connect with people. If I try, I come off as "weird" or "creepy," so I don't try, in which case I am unsocial, unfriendly, unemotional. I still feel lonely, sometimes, though, and - as long as I mentally primed for it - I really enjoy the company of other people.

Mushrooms don't cure or fix autism. However, if I keep to lower, manageable doses (1 - 2 grams), it is much easier to feel human-ish enough to make connections, especially when the people around me are tripping too. Tripping people are a lot more like I am normally than normal people are.

Being accepted by a few people and having fun with them also does wonders for situational depression, like from chronic lonelyness.

Also regarding depression - when deeply depressed, I feel as if I am crouching in a dark, dingy cell. If I eat a gram of mushrooms, then another gram a couple hours later, I have a bright and shiny day. The bright and shiny goes on for about a month, without any additional dosing.

note: no dumb fuck should dose their nonverbal autistic child with mushrooms imagining that that's gonna help. If somebody tries this, they belong in jail.

I am a full grown adult who is making his own informed decisions. Your kid is not.


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    #28392055 - 07/11/23 03:47 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

What you want to do on LSD or mushrooms is cry.

'Body focused working out of tensions representing emotional repressions' is all g, but it's the crying, and a real, perfect, weeping cry a bit like a baby, that you want to get going.

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    #28401312 - 07/20/23 01:12 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

TBRS1, that's a truly amazing story! I also see mushrooms as a great enhancer for emotional connections, even if I'm not autistic. In my case it's rather classical depression. But this also has aspects of emotional disconnect, to oneself, to others and to the world in general. Shrooms have helped me a great deal with that. It's fascinating that one drug can be beneficial on so many levels and for such a variety of mental conditions.

BTW, you sound like a cool person to hang out with, very smart and self-reflected.


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    #28408907 - 07/26/23 08:25 AM (6 months, 8 hours ago)

I think I will have to up the dosage altough I know it is not without risk.
I feel like everytime (ok, I've only done it twice) I do shrooms I get something valuable, but it is difficult to say if it has manifested into any lasting change in my mental health.
I have to say so far I feel like the shrooms are kind. As I said, I have only done it twice and they were both pretty difficult experiences, but at the same time I felt like I was somehow being "taken care of" in a positive way. Like there was someone there who wanted to help me. So I'm thinking of trying to up the dosage to maybe 4 grams next time. I can get golden teachers and so far I haven't really had any really strong experience despite having gone up to 3,5 grams.

I suspect I would have to try something like 7-8 grams of these golden teachers to get that full blown away experience that seems to be most beneficial to mental health. But I'm currently not ready to take the risk to jump in that deep without a sitter.

And yes, I know I might very well at some point experience something disturbing. But that hasn't happened yet.

So far I feel shrooms have helped me somewhat to be more true to myself. More honest towards others. They have also showed me what letting go and true acceptance feels like (to bad I can't keep that feeling when not tripping, but atleast I REMEMBER and UNDERSTAND what it feels like.)

I feel shrooms have incredible therapeutic potential but for me there is still a long way to go. I hope they will help me heal and that my story will eventually be of value to others who are suffering.

Edit: Oh yeah, one more thing. Every time so far I cry so hard. Trauma release.


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    #28409926 - 07/27/23 06:16 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Just remember that healing takes time. The brain has to unlearn negative patterns and replace them with healthy ones.
For me it took a couple of months experimenting, using rather low and medium doses, sometimes a bit more. Nothing like ego death and meeting entities. That was not what I needed.

If shrooms are nice to you then take your time to get to know them better.
Use their support whenever you need it, be patient with yourself and find out what works best for you. Crying is wonderful, it means you're connecting with your emotions instead of shutting them off.
After each trip, a little bit of magic will stay with you and you'll start to see the beauty of life again.

Also remember, recommendations from others can be helpful but are always subjective. You are the true expert for your own health and well-being.


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Just remember that healing takes time. The brain has to unlearn negative patterns and replace them with healthy ones.
For me it took a couple of months experimenting, using rather low and medium doses, sometimes a bit more. Nothing like ego death and meeting entities. That was not what I needed.

If shrooms are nice to you then take your time to get to know them better.
Use their support whenever you need it, be patient with yourself and find out what works best for you. Crying is wonderful, it means you're connecting with your emotions instead of shutting them off.
After each trip, a little bit of magic will stay with you and you'll start to see the beauty of life again.

Also remember, recommendations from others can be helpful but are always subjective. You are the true expert for your own health and well-being.





Yep, it takes time, that's for sure!
It's not just changing the way you think either, you have to do that and keep being mindful of "wrong thinking".. but you do that in order to give your brain time to literally rewire it's neurons to support the new way of thinking. That's another area where shrooms are "magic".. they cause new neuronal growth and increase neural connections be an insane amount.


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    #28451295 - 08/29/23 03:31 PM (4 months, 28 days ago)

Sadly my experience completely sucked!

I've had depression since injuring my back at age 19 (I'm 48 now). I've been on-and-off (but mostly on) anti-depressants since age 25.

In 2021 I tried microdosing Liberty Caps (I live in the UK). I picked them myself (a process which I absolutely loved and found to be therapeutic in itself). A few 'verified' users on The Shroomery confirmed for me that they were indeed Liberty Caps.

A brief history - I had done LSD between the ages of 16 and 18 years old, 11 times in total - this had been among some of the best and the worst experiences of my life. I smoked weed for about 15 years and I took Ecstasy / MDMA 15 times during my 20s and 30s, so I had a fair bit of psychedelic experience under my belt. This stuff was many years ago however.

This was actually the first time that I'd ever tried shrooms though. So, I gradually tapered off of my meds and then I went meds-free for about 2 months before finally working up the courage to start microdosing.

On day 1, I ate literally just 1 single Liberty Cap (a VERY micro dose) just to be as safe as possible. I went out walking in nature and I listened to The Shamen on headphones. The only thing that I really noticed was a slightly increased level of detail to the music. I was noticing things in the music that I'd never noticed before, despite having listened to these songs probably hundreds of times over the years. Subtle noises in the background, that sort of thing. Anyway, I came home and felt fine and went about my business.

On day 2, I had gotten into a foul mood in the morning because of some chores which had irritated my back, but I had calmed down by lunchtime. I took 2 Liberty Caps this time and once again went out walking in nature. This time, the effect was still subtle, but I definitely felt a shift in perception. When I looked at the ground, I could see every single, individual blade of grass and the green colour was especially vibrant. When I looked out across the meadow, a subtle, pleasant "wave" pattern was moving through the long, dry grass. Still listening to The Shamen on headphones, the music sounded very clear and once again I noticed elements that I never had before. I wasn't expecting to really feel any perceptual shift on such a tiny dose, so this was kind of surprising to me but not unpleasant.

The problems began when I got home a couple of hours later and started to feel a wave of anxiety slowly but surely creeping over me. I guess the 'trip' - if you could call it that - was now wearing off. I sat in the garden for a bit, trying to calm down, but the anxiety intensified. That evening I had a couple of cans of beer, which at best took the edge off of the anxiety for a while. After a couple of days of this continuous anxiety, I decided to go back on my meds.

To cut a long story short, it took about a year for me to get back to my base-level of happiness or calmness or whatever you might like to call it. The generalised anxiety would sometimes dissipate for a time here and there, but overall it hung around for about a year, maybe 15 months. I remained on the meds and I also had individual counselling and EMDR therapy (highly recommended) during this period. I kept myself very busy and active and just generally carried on with my day to day life, but it was extremely unpleasant - especially for the first few weeks after the trip where I had occasional panic attacks. Exercise and meditation were both very helpful as was socialising as much as possible.

I will point out that the exact same thing happened to me - only worse - way back in 2013 after a night when I took too much MDMA. It left me in a state of anxiety which took about 15 months to fully recover from. The first few months were so bad that I felt suicidal, it was absolute hell. I didn't touch any drugs for 6 years after that experience.

I have no intention to dabble again as my psyche clearly can't handle even a very mild psychedelic dose any more. Which is a hell of a shame as I had such high hopes after reading so much over the last few years about the benefits of microdosing and the benefits of psychedelics in general. It amazes me that I used to love taking really strong acid in the early 90s and yet I was recently completely floored by just 2 Liberty Caps.

I had really hoped that the experience would help me to develop into a calmer, happier, more accepting and understanding person. I had hoped it might allow me to get free of anti-depressants once and for all. I had hoped that it would help me to be a better husband (although my wife was INCREDIBLY against the whole idea of me trying to microdose and we argued about it a lot. This may well have been a reason for the bad outcome, perhaps it was in the back of my mind?).

If anyone can shed any light on this at all, I would be extremely grateful. I just want to try and understand WHY my mind cannot deal with such a light dose. I have heard Terence McKenna say that light doses can cause anxiety, but I'm pretty sure that he was referring to anxiety lasting for the duration of the trip, rather than many months or even a year of generalised anxiety afterwards.

I'm fine now (whatever fine is these days :wink: ) but I would still love to hear any thoughts or theories on this. It actually annoys me that I am not suited to pursuing this avenue of treatment / exploration. Am I just being a lightweight? Am I too old for this type of experience now? Did I just not take a high enough dose? I've never heard of anyone having such a bad reaction to 2 liberty caps.

I've procrastinated about posting about this for over 2 years, it's actually a little bit embarrassing to be honest.

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    #28463967 - 09/10/23 03:09 AM (4 months, 16 days ago)

Hi and thanks for sharing your experiences :heart:

When you microdose you shouldn't be feeling the effects of shrooms. Or maybe just barely feel them. Granted that 2 liberty caps isn't much, but maybe it was too much for that particular moment?

You are not too old for experiencing the effects of psilocybin! I don't believe anyone ever is.

Some people have good results doing "regular size" dosages from time to time instead of microdosing. General consensus for "regular size" seems to be around 1 to 1,5 grams dried. I've never taken more that about 0,6g and that seems to work for me.



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    #28466909 - 09/12/23 07:49 PM (4 months, 13 days ago)

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I had hoped that it would help me to be a better husband (although my wife was INCREDIBLY against the whole idea of me trying to microdose and we argued about it a lot. This may well have been a reason for the bad outcome, perhaps it was in the back of my mind?).





If your wife is someone you would consider your life partner, then I would venture that her being opposed to this experimentation automatically taints the psychedelic space for you, makes it an unsafe space to really explore and learn more about yourself, and let your mind do weird things. It's not uncommon. Many spouses/partners feel threatened by the idea of their partner going somewhere that they don't understand, especially if that somewhere has all the stigma that psychedelics acquired by being labelled "drugs" that can ruin your mind.

Just to emphasize, I don't want to make your wife out to be the bad guy, here. I'm sure there's more context, and her opposition very well is coming from a place of anxiety. Our relationships are very powerful forces in our lives. Psychedelic experiences often bring this reality home to us in surprising and vivid ways.

Your anxiety is not a "bad" experience. Fear is an emotion, something to be felt into and ultimately looked under/behind, just like looking in the closet for the feared monster, only to find there's nothing there but the shadows of clothes. Tripping later in life can be a radically different experience for many compared to when you're young and more naive, carefree. We acquire a lot of psychic heaviness over the years from our burdens and responsibilities, the weight of adulthood and the loss of curiosity, magic, sense of wonder. Sometimes we have to confront the burden and heaviness before we recover the wonder.

In any case, I wish you compassion - don't be so hard on yourself, there's nothing to be ashamed of. I am floored by low doses these days, and I require a lot of help for working through my own fears. We can't do it alone.


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    #28467788 - 09/13/23 04:13 PM (4 months, 13 days ago)

A good friend of mine got off SSRI's (after only a year though) and credits it to tripping. Not in a clinical setting, and I don't think he's ever talked to a therapist.

When you speak of PTSD, from the research i've done that falls outside the scope of mushrooms. There are some great new studies for PTSD and MDMA though. Really amazing results you should look into.


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    #28470768 - 09/16/23 07:08 AM (4 months, 10 days ago)

ketamine and ptsd work well together.


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With a therapist as a guide.


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    #28471835 - 09/17/23 03:06 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Hi Capt. Ramius

Thank you very much for your kind reply and thank you for sharing your own personal experiences, that is really helpful.

Just to clarify, are the dosages that you refer to for Liberty Caps or Cubes?

I did wonder whether I should have experienced any effects on such a low dose. It was subtle for sure, but it was undeniable that there was a shift in my visual perception.

A friend of mine has recently quit alcohol after many years of abuse (rehab had previously failed to work for him) by using 2 drops of "shroom juice" under the tongue daily. He's been alcohol-free for about 6 weeks now, since starting the drops. He says that he feels no noticeable change in consciousness at this dose, but that nevertheless he has quit the booze since taking it.

Many, many thanks. There are some very kind and understanding people on this forum. Much love ❤


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    #28471840 - 09/17/23 03:16 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Hi Blue Cthulhu

Thank you very much indeed for your kind words, compassion and understanding.

Ironically, my wife actually moved out a month ago and told me just yesterday when she came to visit that we are now "separated".

Yes, I completely agree with you that her anxiety towards me taking shrooms almost certainly affected my experience. We'd actually had an argument that morning too (not about the shrooms though), so I probably should've left the shrooms for another day when I felt calmer.

By the way, I absolutely love this - "just like looking in the closet for the feared monster, only to find there's nothing there but the shadows of clothes"! That has made me smile, but there is some serious wisdom in your words too.

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    #28471843 - 09/17/23 03:24 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Hi JFlowMan

Thank you so much for your reply, it's really appreciated. It's great to hear that your friend managed to quit the SSRIs through psychedelics. SSRIs have always been immensely helpful to me, but I don't really like the idea of being dependant on them long-term. 

Do you happen to know if your friend started using shrooms etc whilst they were still on SSRIs and then gradually tapered off the SSRIs?

Part of me wonders if I had started microdosing whilst still on SSRIs and then gradually tapering off, that the SSRIs might've provided me with a kind of buffer which might have protected me from freaking out.

However, the general advice that I read online (not on The Shroomery) was to completely get the SSRIs out of my system before starting to microdose.

Yes you're absolutely right - MDMA seems to be the drug which is having the biggest impact for treating PTSD.

Much love ❤


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    #28471845 - 09/17/23 03:29 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Hi Anonymous #2

Thanks for your replies.

Yes, I have also heard great things about ketamine. If any trials become available in the UK then I will certainly try and get involved.

Who knows, perhaps 10 years from now all of these guided counselling therapies using drugs such as MDMA, psilocybin, ketamine, LSD, DMT etc will be freely available to the general population. But I suspect that "big pharma" will try to prevent it for financial reasons! We can only hope I suppose......

Much love ❤


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    #28472992 - 09/17/23 07:44 PM (4 months, 8 days ago)

Love and strength to you! Sounds like life has been shaken up for you, a good time to open to new experiences...


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    #28473593 - 09/18/23 10:38 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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Just to clarify, are the dosages that you refer to for Liberty Caps or Cubes?





Cubes. Sorry for not being more clear.

If you decide to grow your own for microdosing, be aware that shrooms from the same grow can have different potencies. It's best to dry them and grind them into a powder. That way the potencies are evened out.


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    #28475413 - 09/19/23 06:04 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

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Hi Anonymous #2

Thanks for your replies.

Yes, I have also heard great things about ketamine. If any trials become available in the UK then I will certainly try and get involved.

Who knows, perhaps 10 years from now all of these guided counselling therapies using drugs such as MDMA, psilocybin, ketamine, LSD, DMT etc will be freely available to the general population. But I suspect that "big pharma" will try to prevent it for financial reasons! We can only hope I suppose......

Much love ❤




Ketamine!  I didn't like it the one time I had it... full on K-hole, greatest high I've ever had. And, man was I happy for about six weeks after. But it faded too fast and I went right back to the same old same old. Some of my friends are on it through mental health services, daily pills. They say it helps, but it's more like being on an SSRI than some marvelous cure. Everyone is different! I've also talked to some folk that swear by it.

I hate to repeat the same old shit, but mindfulness and being open to what you experience is the way out of depression. It's not an easy road but it's worth it. Gotta stop being afraid of your own demons, I guess.


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    #28476148 - 09/20/23 09:38 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

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Hi JFlowMan

Thank you so much for your reply, it's really appreciated. It's great to hear that your friend managed to quit the SSRIs through psychedelics. SSRIs have always been immensely helpful to me, but I don't really like the idea of being dependant on them long-term. 

Do you happen to know if your friend started using shrooms etc whilst they were still on SSRIs and then gradually tapered off the SSRIs?

Part of me wonders if I had started microdosing whilst still on SSRIs and then gradually tapering off, that the SSRIs might've provided me with a kind of buffer which might have protected me from freaking out.

However, the general advice that I read online (not on The Shroomery) was to completely get the SSRIs out of my system before starting to microdose.

Yes you're absolutely right - MDMA seems to be the drug which is having the biggest impact for treating PTSD.

Much love ❤




I believe he started while on SSRI's and gradually tapered off. I imagine dropping SSRI's, and being in a terrible mood before trying would be very counterproductive to a meaningful trip unless you were with a therapist. I'm no doctor, but have never heard or seen people have an issue with mushrooms and SSRI's.

You shouldn't do MDMA while on SSRI's though if you didn't know that.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus]
    #28480858 - 09/24/23 11:11 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I have depression and what works well
For me is fly agaric.

They chill me out.

If I could get hold of magics then my depression
Goes. But I am always been re-located.
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    #28485460 - 09/28/23 05:15 AM (3 months, 29 days ago)

The only way I don't see cops killing me over and over, all day in my head is if i take a good .3, 3 times a day every 6 hrs. I've been out for over a year doo too housing issues... been rough.


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    #28526638 - 11/02/23 01:53 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Cheers for the kind words Blue Cthulhu, and yes I hope that you're right! :thumbup:


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    #28526640 - 11/02/23 01:55 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Cheers Capt. Ramius

Yeah I think you're right, grinding them up is probably the most reliable way to measure the dose :mushroom2:


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    #28526646 - 11/02/23 02:00 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Thanks TerdleMountain

Yes I guess that everyone is different, I am certainly realising this more and more myself as I get older.
I agree too that mindfulness and openness are key to battling things like depression and anxiety. It takes hard work, but it really does achieve results (in my personal experience anyway) :heart:


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    #28526666 - 11/02/23 02:15 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Hi JFlowMan

I think I should've done it like your friend did (starting to take shrooms whilst slowly tapering off of the SSRIs).

RE : MDMA. About 20 years ago I took 'E' whilst on SSRIs, a couple of times actually. Not a very smart thing to do I know, and potentially dangerous too. It was nowhere near as good as a regular 'E' experience. The SSRIs definitely reduced the effect and prevented me from reaching the usual euphoric peak. I certainly wasn't grinning like a fool and hugging everyone.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus]
    #28530369 - 11/05/23 10:11 AM (2 months, 22 days ago)

As with all of the comments replying to your thread, I put out a fair disclaimer that you need to be careful and safe when experimenting with large dosages. You need to be ready for change.

I had my life-changing trip about four years ago after visiting the site and figuring out how to grow my own shrooms. I was struggling greatly from depression and anxiety. I had tried talk therapy and antidepressants, but I couldn’t turn the corner with how I was feeling.

I had some experience with mushrooms from my youth but not anything other than recreational. In September 2018 I took a 2 1/2 g trip which was very joyful and fun and I immediately felt a relief from my depression symptoms.

With that, I chose to complete a large dose trip in December 2018. Right before the Christmas break, I took 4 g of PF standard that I had successfully harvested.

What transpired from there was life-changing. It was not a fun trip. I fundamentally believe the mushrooms made the first trip fun to warm me up to the idea of a large dose strip,. This trip forced me to look at myself and deal with many things I had been suppressing. For example, I had never dealt with the death of my mother or grieved properly. I had never Considered how I was coping with life stress, and in reality not coping whatsoever. That night, I grieved for my mother and I processed stress that was in limbo in my mind as I didn’t know what to do with it. Fundamentally, I do believe I experienced an ego death.

The next day., I felt like an open wound. I couldn’t stop myself from feeling feelings and emotions. My ability to block everything out had been completely removed. I journaled for about four days straight and wrote 70 to 80 pages on my computer. Topics included everything about my life And where I was at. After about a week, the wound had healed, and I went on with my life. However, now I wasn’t so bothered by the things that used to bother me. I was able to cope, I started a regular journaling practice, I began to be physically active And cleaned up my diet. It was like a con-alt-delete for my brain.

I still microdose from time to time, but I have never gone back for another big trip. Maybe my ego is fighting the process, but it was an emotional and tough process that I absolutely needed at the time but don’t think I need right now.

I don’t subscribe to the idea of bad trips. The mushrooms will show you exactly what you need to see in order to heal and get better. Unfortunately, those things are often very painful and personal. A bad trip is nothing more than your mind, and the mushrooms, forcing you to deal with something that you can’t do in the conscious world.

With that being said, proceed cautiously. My issue was not a chemical imbalance, but a lack of understanding how to cope with life and regulate my mind which ultimately led me to a depressed state that I couldn’t figure out how to address.  Go with the slow ramp up, get comfortable in the abstract and then decide if a big trip is for you. It’s not for everybody and a steady micro dose could be enough to balance everything out.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: MGoMushroom]
    #28535201 - 11/09/23 07:32 AM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Hello everyone I found this thread extremely uplifting and positive for me to happen upon at this stage of my life.

I am Autistic, ADHD, and in therapy to try and work through 30+ yrs of CPTSD. I also had brain surgery in my teens and suffer from chronic irretractable and (traditional) med-resistant migraines and CH. This combination of circumstances, where I am at currently, has been really debilitating and I am once again starting this process of using natural substances to assist my healing. I am also in recovery for now over 12yrs and I am excited to begin this journey you all are also on. I am glad one of you also posted the AA thread I'll be reading that next and the OP's journal too.
Some of the things you all have said has been very touching and as I read through this entire thread this morning drinking mate with my partner I cried twice as I identified heavily with a few of your life experiences and that there was hope. Just want to say thank you for everyone who has shared their struggles here. You all have given me some much needed hope and perspective!

I'd like to possible send messages to a few of you to personally say thanks again!


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