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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Anonymous #2] * 1
    #28367143 - 06/20/23 12:50 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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Congrats on peer recovery specialist. They are huge assets to my work. HUGE
Where I live they just changed the laws and developed new laws to assist in getting ppl into recovery faster. Now recovery navigators can do assessments to get people into detox and IIP faster. They are able to take people to detox the same day they ask for help.
I love it
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE treatment over jail/prison.
I love that people are allowing themselves to be educated and see that treatment works, sometimes it takes 20 times.. but addiction is real and debilitating.
I have learned so much here.
I will quietly return to my shadow position.
Judgment is harsh here. And I really enjoy being here




I hope I didn't come across as harsh or judgmental! Wasn't my intent at all, I get really passionate about certain topics and have a tough time regulating my emotions. I've lost too many friends to addiction, including my brother. The feelings I carry along drive me to both want to rescue people and beat the shit out of them till they listen, sometimes it takes one way to reach the other.

Good on ya for doing the work! And I don't blame you for the veil of anonymity, people here I think are generally really good folk but sometimes there is an edge to it. Eh, it part of the story of humanity and we just have to roll with it.

Rock on!


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus] * 1
    #28367221 - 06/20/23 01:15 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I've read that being a therapist can be one of the most stressful jobs today.  I really appreciate anyone coming on here anonymously to share thoughts on this subject from the point of view of a health professional.  Sometimes you have to remain anon to discuss certain things.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: newaccounts]
    #28367261 - 06/20/23 01:43 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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Tried 3 grams of psilocybin mushrooms in a group therapy session earlier this month. Overall I was dissapointed by the weak effect. I had quit all medications one month prior, maybe I should have been off them longer.




That is very likely. I just read a study that said SSRIs can reduce the effects of psychedelics for months after tapering off. It sounds like you still got something out of the session though.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus]
    #28367273 - 06/20/23 01:55 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I’d argue that we’ve had these addictive tendencies since we were infants… something traumatic happens and fight or flight instincts kick in triggering Addiction that might have been there the whole time. That’s the other way to look at it and there are many people who have had traumatic abuse or whatever it may be without resorting to addiction. I think it’s genetic as well.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus] * 3
    #28367303 - 06/20/23 02:18 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I think each person is an individual and as much as society wants a cookie cutter answer, there is not one. Everyone has different reasons for why.

I fully support harm reduction. And I think that tough love kills people. But that fine line of enabling and showing love .... hurts alot.

My personal and professional views on addiction have not always aligned. I am currently changing that. I don't tell people what to do.. ever. I never do that.
I only do abstinence based treatment when it is desired or court ordered.
I personally dont care if people use or not. I dont. I do care that someone is happy and content with the consequences of their own choices.
I have often assisted people in controlling their use vs abstinence.
It is more important to me to be there when they are ready.

I AM SO TIRED OF WATCHING PEOPLE DIE
seriously.... I am so tired of it.
This is opioid crisis is on a different level. Everyone keeps dying and all people want to do is incarcerate them or shame them.

I AM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE PUTTING OTHERS IN JAIL
You can be high all day for a .20 soup that on the streets costs $40. Incarceration makes it WORSE. They get more traumatized and lose their healthy coping skills.
I fully think part of the opiate crisis is because we threw everyone in jail.. this is the after math.
Obviously there are other components. But I think it is a big one.

LOVE your people. SHOW them you love them. BE KIND
if someone is suicidal get them help ASAP..
STIGMA KILLS PEOPLE
suicide and drug overdoses are off the hook...

Burnout is real.... daily struggle. There is no support and no one to talk to about it. People are not nice. Until they need you.


I just got someone into detox today and I am so happy. SO SO SO happy.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: TerdleMountain]
    #28367317 - 06/20/23 02:33 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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TerdleMountain said:
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Anonymous #2 said:

Congrats on peer recovery specialist. They are huge assets to my work. HUGE
Where I live they just changed the laws and developed new laws to assist in getting ppl into recovery faster. Now recovery navigators can do assessments to get people into detox and IIP faster. They are able to take people to detox the same day they ask for help.
I love it
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE treatment over jail/prison.
I love that people are allowing themselves to be educated and see that treatment works, sometimes it takes 20 times.. but addiction is real and debilitating.
I have learned so much here.
I will quietly return to my shadow position.
Judgment is harsh here. And I really enjoy being here




I hope I didn't come across as harsh or judgmental! Wasn't my intent at all, I get really passionate about certain topics and have a tough time regulating my emotions. I've lost too many friends to addiction, including my brother. The feelings I carry along drive me to both want to rescue people and beat the shit out of them till they listen, sometimes it takes one way to reach the other.

Good on ya for doing the work! And I don't blame you for the veil of anonymity, people here I think are generally really good folk but sometimes there is an edge to it. Eh, it part of the story of humanity and we just have to roll with it.

Rock on!



Absolutely not.
Your post was nice to read.
Thank you :smile:
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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Prolific Koi] * 2
    #28367461 - 06/20/23 04:04 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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I’d argue that we’ve had these addictive tendencies since we were infants… something traumatic happens and fight or flight instincts kick in triggering Addiction that might have been there the whole time. That’s the other way to look at it and there are many people who have had traumatic abuse or whatever it may be without resorting to addiction. I think it’s genetic as well.





It all begins in the first weeks of infancy... how you attach to your mother/primary caregiver. We are born without knowing how to cope with stress and have to rely on mom to learn how to self sooth and regulate our emotions. If mom is emotionally unavailable then baby has to deal with things in the best way they can find, which causes problems later in life as an infant mind has no way of building healthy coping strategies on their own and the unhealthy ways they learn usually remain in effect for life... or until you hook up with a good therapist.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: TerdleMountain]
    #28367926 - 06/20/23 10:57 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Lmao that’s funny cause I used to cling to my mom. Hahaha so there’s the other addict/alcoholic too who has mommy issues(Me). I never actually thought of it like that, but shit man that rings to me haha makes so much sense. I believe you 100 % thanks for sharing. I too also have a bunch of alcoholics in my family so that really doesn’t help but helps so much now that I’m off the shits.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: TerdleMountain] * 1
    #28368125 - 06/21/23 03:10 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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I’d argue that we’ve had these addictive tendencies since we were infants… something traumatic happens and fight or flight instincts kick in triggering Addiction that might have been there the whole time. That’s the other way to look at it and there are many people who have had traumatic abuse or whatever it may be without resorting to addiction. I think it’s genetic as well.





It all begins in the first weeks of infancy... how you attach to your mother/primary caregiver. We are born without knowing how to cope with stress and have to rely on mom to learn how to self sooth and regulate our emotions. If mom is emotionally unavailable then baby has to deal with things in the best way they can find, which causes problems later in life as an infant mind has no way of building healthy coping strategies on their own and the unhealthy ways they learn usually remain in effect for life... or until you hook up with a good therapist.




If anyone is unaware, this is called Attachment Theory and is very worth looking into. The aforementioned Dr. Gabor Mate talks about it in regards to trauma, but there are books such as Attached by Amir Levine and Attachment Theory by Thais Gibson that give a broader overview.

Often people with C-PTSD have a Disorganized style, which is a mix of Avoidant and Anxious attachment styles (I won’t go into definitions here, but do look them up). I’m pretty sure I have Disorganized, but I’ve worked on it and apparently you can change your style with work and patience. Who you associate with and what their styles are can affect yours, something I have observed in myself. I do think I’m closer to Secure style now than I was years ago due to the work I’ve done, and due to cutting out people in my life who weren’t healthy relationships.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus] * 2
    #28368214 - 06/21/23 05:57 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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If anyone is unaware, this is called Attachment Theory and is very worth looking into. The aforementioned Dr. Gabor Mate talks about it in regards to trauma, but there are books such as Attached by Amir Levine and Attachment Theory by Thais Gibson that give a broader overview.

Often people with C-PTSD have a Disorganized style, which is a mix of Avoidant and Anxious attachment styles (I won’t go into definitions here, but do look them up). I’m pretty sure I have Disorganized, but I’ve worked on it and apparently you can change your style with work and patience. Who you associate with and what their styles are can affect yours, something I have observed in myself. I do think I’m closer to Secure style now than I was years ago due to the work I’ve done, and due to cutting out people in my life who weren’t healthy relationships.




I have/am healing from disorganized attachment. It takes a "good enough" attachment figure and plenty of time to heal. Just to fill in.. disorganized attachment is where you want to strongly connect with others, but that is balanced by a deep set fear of making that same connection. It happens when your caregiver is both a source of nurturing (food, warmth, comfort) and a threat (emotionally unavailable or abusive).

"Can I trust?" is the first question that must be answered for a baby. If the answer to that is "No.", then everything else in that child's development is screwed up and leads to it being more easily traumatized the rest of it's life. (Ericson's Stages of Psychosocial Development)

Two other really good authors on C-PTSD are Janina Fisher and Alice Miller... Peter Walker's book, "Complex PTSD- From Surviving to Thriving" is super helpful and is at the top of my recommendation list.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus]
    #28368566 - 06/21/23 11:02 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Sadly to say, I feel like suddenly everything is going in the wrong direction again. I have felt during the first half of this year that I was slowly getting better. But this week I have rapidly spiraled back into what reminds me of my worst days. Strong anxiety, poor cognitive function.

I guess I should maybe at some point during the summer try one more trip, on a high dose. But if that doesn't work I guess it's back to the big pharma meds again. They didn't cure me but it seems they at least made me feel a little bit better.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: TerdleMountain]
    #28368583 - 06/21/23 11:09 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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I have/am healing from disorganized attachment. It takes a "good enough" attachment figure and plenty of time to heal. Just to fill in.. disorganized attachment is where you want to strongly connect with others, but that is balanced by a deep set fear of making that same connection. It happens when your caregiver is both a source of nurturing (food, warmth, comfort) and a threat (emotionally unavailable or abusive).

"Can I trust?" is the first question that must be answered for a baby. If the answer to that is "No.", then everything else in that child's development is screwed up and leads to it being more easily traumatized the rest of it's life. (Ericson's Stages of Psychosocial Development)





Wow, never heard of that before but that describes me perfectly. I just don't know how and if I could heal from it. But the way you describe it it fits me perfectly.

I was raised initially by a single mother who did her best (god bless her). She was very loving but from as early as I can remember she alternated in periods between her "normal" self and a very low-mood, negative and conflict seeking mood. And then entered an abusive step father into the mix...


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: newaccounts] * 1
    #28368804 - 06/21/23 01:59 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Sadly to say, I feel like suddenly everything is going in the wrong direction again. I have felt during the first half of this year that I was slowly getting better. But this week I have rapidly spiraled back into what reminds me of my worst days. Strong anxiety, poor cognitive function.

I guess I should maybe at some point during the summer try one more trip, on a high dose. But if that doesn't work I guess it's back to the big pharma meds again. They didn't cure me but it seems they at least made me feel a little bit better.




Healing is not linear. There are good days and bad days.. sometimes the bad days just string together and you wind up back in the same old hole.
It's like riding a river, when things are smooth you can just float along and enjoy the ride. Sometimes the water is rough and threatens to pull you under, it's always changing. The key to it is having many tools to fall back on as conditions change. Daily practice with mindfulness and grounding are a must. I know that, for myself, if I don't spend a little time each day taking stock of my emotions, things can creep in and I start getting more easily irritated and short tempered. By noticing it early and recognizing the things that are causing me to feel that way, I can address them and avoid falling over a cliff emotionally.

Nothing wrong with being on medication. If it works and keeps you more even then go with it. I do understand the desire to fix it now though. Mushrooms can help, but it still takes a lot of work. I can't stress mindfulness enough, it should be the first thing you work on because if you don't know the how and why of your emotions there isn't really a way to correct them.

I got started by asking myself a simple question, "How do I feel today." and then answering that as honestly as I could. That's about as simple as I can explain what a mindful practice is. Repeat the question to yourself a few times though the day, set a timer if you need reminding as you want it to become a habit.

The other part is learning to ground yourself. This just means cooling down some of the emotions that are running through you. Breathing works really well for me. A deep, quick inhale through the nose and then a long, slow exhale through pursed lips (like you are trying to whistle, but don't whistle) while letting your body relax. There is biology behind it having to do with the vagus nerve, so it automatically sends your body into "cool down". There are a bunch of other techniques, such as tapping, that work too. You just have to try some and see what works.

Take a deep breath and focus on how slowly you can let it out. At the end of the breath, in you mind, ask yourself how you're doing--just like you are talking to a dear friend. It might seem weird at first but don't worry about it, no one will know what you're doing. It might work the first time you try, if not just keep practicing. It might take a few days or more but when you get it you'll know. Healing starts with caring about yourself and taking time to listen to your body and your emotions.

And big doses are great, but often a smaller dose is what it takes. I found out that .5g can be a powerful dose for healing work. Be flexible, the river is always changing.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: TerdleMountain]
    #28368854 - 06/21/23 02:25 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Beautifully put, TM. Thank you.

Something I read on the forums recently had to do with dealing with upsetting thoughts. Ask yourself 1. Is this true, and 2. Is this useful. I’ve used this a few times since I read it and for me it’s been helpful. If it’s not both true and useful, then it’s best to replace it with something positive, or at the least, disrupt the train before it goes off the rails.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: Mycodemus] * 2
    #28368897 - 06/21/23 02:48 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Beautifully put, TM. Thank you.

Something I read on the forums recently had to do with dealing with upsetting thoughts. Ask yourself 1. Is this true, and 2. Is this useful. I’ve used this a few times since I read it and for me it’s been helpful. If it’s not both true and useful, then it’s best to replace it with something positive, or at the least, disrupt the train before it goes off the rails.




That is from Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) and is a part of a technique called reframing. IMO it's one of the most effective tools for changing how you interface with the world. Traumatized people carry with them ideas about the world that formed in childhood and just do not work in an adult world. The idea is to get you questioning those beliefs and then using your adult mind to understand them in a new way-- reframing how you think. It can be really odd when you first realize how misguided your life long views really are.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: TerdleMountain] * 2
    #28377620 - 06/28/23 10:10 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

Mushrooms/LSD/MDMA broke me out of depression. It showed me new thoughts and feelings that gave me a different perspective on life. Mostly positive. I also had some very bad experiences on mushrooms and LSD. I had long lasting trauma. But even then, it improved my life significantly. It put a fire up my ass to work to be a better person.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: aintitashame] * 3
    #28389508 - 07/08/23 04:22 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

I ended up here after searching for "autism."

I'm in my mid 60s. I was unaware of my diagnosis all my life because my very, very good mother was educated and got me some kind of "socialization" training, even back then in the dark ages of psychology. I didn't become aware until I had a psychotic break, due to hellacious stress and undiagnosed bipollar.

In brain function disorders, you often get a package deal - mine was high functioning autism spectrum + hypomania. THAT was a sweet ride, lemme tell you.

(one cool thing about it is I get synesthesia without being high. Things like words have a taste and texture when I speak, or even numbers are round and blue, but odd numbers are pointy and red. Which means that even numbers are gentle democrats and odd numbers are harsh republicas. I know. It's crazy. Just imagine what it's like when I trip...)

So... To the mushroom thing...

With autism, I find it almost impossible to easily connect with people. If I try, I come off as "weird" or "creepy," so I don't try, in which case I am unsocial, unfriendly, unemotional. I still feel lonely, sometimes, though, and - as long as I mentally primed for it - I really enjoy the company of other people.

Mushrooms don't cure or fix autism. However, if I keep to lower, manageable doses (1 - 2 grams), it is much easier to feel human-ish enough to make connections, especially when the people around me are tripping too. Tripping people are a lot more like I am normally than normal people are.

Being accepted by a few people and having fun with them also does wonders for situational depression, like from chronic lonelyness.

Also regarding depression - when deeply depressed, I feel as if I am crouching in a dark, dingy cell. If I eat a gram of mushrooms, then another gram a couple hours later, I have a bright and shiny day. The bright and shiny goes on for about a month, without any additional dosing.

note: no dumb fuck should dose their nonverbal autistic child with mushrooms imagining that that's gonna help. If somebody tries this, they belong in jail.

I am a full grown adult who is making his own informed decisions. Your kid is not.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: TBRS1] * 1
    #28392055 - 07/11/23 03:47 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

What you want to do on LSD or mushrooms is cry.

'Body focused working out of tensions representing emotional repressions' is all g, but it's the crying, and a real, perfect, weeping cry a bit like a baby, that you want to get going.

Cheers


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: TBRS1] * 1
    #28401312 - 07/20/23 01:12 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

TBRS1, that's a truly amazing story! I also see mushrooms as a great enhancer for emotional connections, even if I'm not autistic. In my case it's rather classical depression. But this also has aspects of emotional disconnect, to oneself, to others and to the world in general. Shrooms have helped me a great deal with that. It's fascinating that one drug can be beneficial on so many levels and for such a variety of mental conditions.

BTW, you sound like a cool person to hang out with, very smart and self-reflected.


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Re: Tell me about your experiences with using psilocybin to treat mental health issues [Re: rocky_raccoon] * 1
    #28408907 - 07/26/23 08:25 AM (6 months, 8 hours ago)

I think I will have to up the dosage altough I know it is not without risk.
I feel like everytime (ok, I've only done it twice) I do shrooms I get something valuable, but it is difficult to say if it has manifested into any lasting change in my mental health.
I have to say so far I feel like the shrooms are kind. As I said, I have only done it twice and they were both pretty difficult experiences, but at the same time I felt like I was somehow being "taken care of" in a positive way. Like there was someone there who wanted to help me. So I'm thinking of trying to up the dosage to maybe 4 grams next time. I can get golden teachers and so far I haven't really had any really strong experience despite having gone up to 3,5 grams.

I suspect I would have to try something like 7-8 grams of these golden teachers to get that full blown away experience that seems to be most beneficial to mental health. But I'm currently not ready to take the risk to jump in that deep without a sitter.

And yes, I know I might very well at some point experience something disturbing. But that hasn't happened yet.

So far I feel shrooms have helped me somewhat to be more true to myself. More honest towards others. They have also showed me what letting go and true acceptance feels like (to bad I can't keep that feeling when not tripping, but atleast I REMEMBER and UNDERSTAND what it feels like.)

I feel shrooms have incredible therapeutic potential but for me there is still a long way to go. I hope they will help me heal and that my story will eventually be of value to others who are suffering.

Edit: Oh yeah, one more thing. Every time so far I cry so hard. Trauma release.


Edited by newaccounts (07/26/23 08:27 AM)


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