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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: sudly]
    #28282950 - 04/17/23 11:57 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

You'd get the same funny looks even if you hired him a personal chef but you shouldn't let that stop you


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28282970 - 04/18/23 12:14 AM (9 months, 6 days ago)

Someones got to take care of the 15 year old more or less blind little one.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: sudly]
    #28282989 - 04/18/23 12:35 AM (9 months, 6 days ago)

Meow blind cat man do!


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28283690 - 04/18/23 12:30 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

I guess I feel comfortable with uncertainty as long as there is hope of a positive outcome out of such uncertainty.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: MAIA]
    #28283889 - 04/18/23 02:40 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

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I guess I feel comfortable with uncertainty as long as there is hope of a positive outcome out of such uncertainty.




That's well put, thanks.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: MAIA]
    #28285382 - 04/19/23 01:19 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

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I guess I feel comfortable with uncertainty as long as there is hope of a positive outcome out of such uncertainty.




Isn't the hope for a positive outcome a form of suffering?

Doesn't the hope for a particular outcome fuel disappointment & resentment?


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28285390 - 04/19/23 01:23 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

I don't think hope for something good to come out of it has to have expectations.

Expecting good things might lead to premeditated resentments, but hoping for them and being okay with whatever outcomes happen is different I think.

The ol C'est la vie.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28285429 - 04/19/23 01:39 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Hoping for a positive outcome is better than expecting a negative one.

I frequently engage in that cognitive behavior.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28285444 - 04/19/23 01:47 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

outcomes are overrated.
uncertainty is of value in itself.
the more comfortable we can be with uncertainty, the less unnecessary suffering exists altogether.

certainty itself is never more than some measure of familiarity,
and uncertainty itself is just some aspect of not yet known/clear/familiar


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28285453 - 04/19/23 01:51 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

This famous quote really bothers me.  It annoys me so much I'm fascinated by it.

“There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it.”

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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28285492 - 04/19/23 02:14 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

the emptiness and "uncertainty" of after-getting


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28311341 - 05/08/23 12:06 PM (8 months, 17 days ago)

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Isn't the hope for a positive outcome a form of suffering?

Doesn't the hope for a particular outcome fuel disappointment & resentment?




Yes, it is a form of suffering but I guess it's more bearable than a negative one. But then ... is it really ? You make a good point referring to disappointment & resentment. I guess it all depends the point in time you knowingly accept an outcome plus the time you need you go thru disappointment & resentment.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: MAIA]
    #28311744 - 05/08/23 05:48 PM (8 months, 16 days ago)

After a recent outcome I realised it may not have been uncertainty I thought I experienced, but neutrality. And it took a bit of time for the reality of how neutrally I reacted to such intimate experiences to sink in.

But it makes sense in my personal degree because I'm at a point in my life of walking towards the casual.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: sudly]
    #28312006 - 05/08/23 09:40 PM (8 months, 16 days ago)

The ideas of curiosity, mystery and uncertainty are all intertwined..

Curiosity is looking for something new.

Mystery is an element of surprise and soothsaying fact-finding.

Uncertainty means a lack of (perfect) knowledge to a certain degree.. or knowledge through chaos.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #28312175 - 05/09/23 03:54 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

I think curiosity is the pursuit of connections from an interesting observation or experience.
(like exploring which includes play and "how does this feel" types of activities)

Uncertainty is more of a lack of familiarity, or of confidence in the current perceived meanings of events.

Mystery relates to hidden aspects of the situation.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28312197 - 05/09/23 04:31 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

I even know quite a lot about uncertainty!


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28314536 - 05/10/23 04:18 PM (8 months, 14 days ago)

Maybe it's the uncertainty of being unable to recognise my own feelings in regard to certain interactions or triggers.

Because I think I felt uncertainty until I recognised neutrality.

I think I felt uncertainty until I recognised fomo.

And I think that recognising how I react to certain triggers is a good first step to becoming more comfortable in a variety of situations.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: sudly]
    #28314589 - 05/10/23 04:59 PM (8 months, 14 days ago)

to shy away from uncertainty is not an honest approach, uncertainty is a turn on, it is exciting to recognize that you are facing the unknown, or a partially unknown known.
most of the world is unknown.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28314632 - 05/10/23 05:33 PM (8 months, 14 days ago)

I'm not shying away from uncertainty, but trying to recognise what it may represent.

Sometimes I think we can reach a point of lifting the fog around a particular uncertainty to gain some greater clarity.


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Re: A sense of uncertainty [Re: sudly]
    #28314650 - 05/10/23 05:47 PM (8 months, 14 days ago)

sure, sometimes getting to know the unknown or at least see far enough to drive, is satisfactory.

I meant that there is more going on than fogs and driving, both within the body, and all around.

sure if you are driving we don't mean to distract you from the task, but if you are not on a task, every angle you look at is a new universe - full of things one could not be certain of in advance, and much of which you will never even know you were uncertain about.


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