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Re: Cuba [Re: 336]
    #28290186 - 04/22/23 04:28 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

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all I know is that if you are pro-pain and you have a bunch of pro-pain accessories I'm staying away from your house. whether you are moral or immoral. lmao




thats probably for the best


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Re: Cuba [Re: 336]
    #28290187 - 04/22/23 04:28 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

That's the sum-total of all of your knowledge?


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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil]
    #28290192 - 04/22/23 04:29 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

which part?


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Re: Cuba [Re: 336]
    #28290218 - 04/22/23 04:34 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

You started your post with "All I know is..."  So I have to assume that the contents of that post is everything you know and that you do not know anything that has not been included in your post.


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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil]
    #28290222 - 04/22/23 04:35 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

are you a robot? :lol:

or just a contrarian?


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Re: Cuba [Re: 336]
    #28290230 - 04/22/23 04:37 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

I'm just gullible and take you at your word.


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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil]
    #28290246 - 04/22/23 04:46 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

now why do I doubt the honesty in that statement?


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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil]
    #28290445 - 04/22/23 07:07 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

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God is a fictional character.  I don't give two shits about understanding a fictional character.

So, the basic idea is that we as humans have to have some guideline for how to test an act for morality.  Kant uses the term "categorical imperative" which he claims has three formulations.  Setting aside the self-indulgent bullshit he spews, the basic concept is that we judge a moral by whether or not that moral, if applied universally, would be something we could "will."  Bentham and mill, who are decidedly utilitarians, use a test of whether that moral, if universally applied, would maximize the "good" and minimize the "bad."  Good and Bad aren't used in a moral sense as much as a human-centric positive value sense.

So, if we were to use my example of a strict prohibition on sexual intercourse with 6-month old children, Kant would ask whether we can will this prohibition to universally apply to all people?  I think he would say we can.  Mill would ask whether this rule would minimize the overall negative outcomes for society and maximize the overall positive.  He would agree with me that it would do both.

How we doing so far?




Morality comes from the Morality God.

We imperfect humans interpret the will of the Morality God in our flawed ways to determine what is moral.

Kant, as much as he speaks of moral platitudes, still relies on personal judgement. Something that "we" could "will". Morality, or the lack thereof, is not universal but subject to the whims of the "we" in that case.

Same with Bentham and Mill. Their judgement of good and bad depends on the beholder.

So, I reject the presence of the Morality God. I simply judge morality as I see fit, dictated by the whims of my surroundings. Morality is subject to those influences in everyone, and we come to a moral consensus for any actions.


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Re: Cuba [Re: Kryptos]
    #28290483 - 04/22/23 07:25 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

Whatever helps you sleep at night :shrug:


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Re: Cuba [Re: Kryptos]
    #28290486 - 04/22/23 07:29 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

if morality came from god, or even religiosity, you would expect that the least moral people would be atheists in society, and being less moral you would expect that atheists would commit and get caught for more crimes than religious people. but what you find is actually quite the opposite, there are very few atheists in prison, very few agnostics either.

one might even conclude that a lack of morality came from god.


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I'd be the guy with thousands of minions doing my bidding and all of the hot women locked in a cage for my use.[/quote]


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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #28290843 - 04/23/23 05:07 AM (9 months, 16 hours ago)

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That would mean moral subjectivity.  The better way to analyze it would be whether giving pain, if requested, is moral




Reminds me of that joke: Masochist: "Whip me!"
                        Sadist: "Never!"


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