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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil]
#28290021 - 04/22/23 03:08 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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...did you just tell me to do my own research when asked for evidence?
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No. First, you didn't ask for evidence. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of morality, so I suggested some reading to get an idea of how to look at the issue. After you've reached a clearer understanding of what we're talking about, we can then discuss in more detail.
Human understanding of morality is a process that has been going on for at least thousands of years. You don't really think that you and I are going to figure it out here, do you? I mean....bro...You don't seem to have even started on the problem, and I'm almost 20 years into my work on it and have barely scratched the surface.
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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil]
#28290058 - 04/22/23 03:32 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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What you call a "fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of morality" places a whole lot of assumptions on what morality is.
I could say that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of God, and that you should go read the bible until you have a clearer understanding of the reality of God and then we can talk. Because that is what it sounds like to me.
I do not think that there is a distinct fundamental morality. You seem to refuse to consider the possibility that there is not one.
Perhaps, as the learned scholar, you might be willing to summarize some of these suggested readings into arguments for your position?
Or perhaps, we are at an impasse.
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God is a fictional character. I don't give two shits about understanding a fictional character.
So, the basic idea is that we as humans have to have some guideline for how to test an act for morality. Kant uses the term "categorical imperative" which he claims has three formulations. Setting aside the self-indulgent bullshit he spews, the basic concept is that we judge a moral by whether or not that moral, if applied universally, would be something we could "will." Bentham and mill, who are decidedly utilitarians, use a test of whether that moral, if universally applied, would maximize the "good" and minimize the "bad." Good and Bad aren't used in a moral sense as much as a human-centric positive value sense.
So, if we were to use my example of a strict prohibition on sexual intercourse with 6-month old children, Kant would ask whether we can will this prohibition to universally apply to all people? I think he would say we can. Mill would ask whether this rule would minimize the overall negative outcomes for society and maximize the overall positive. He would agree with me that it would do both.
How we doing so far?
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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil]
#28290078 - 04/22/23 03:43 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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it depends on your usage of mortality.
morality on the one hand is used to discribe a concept, by which we judge what is right and wrong.
that is always the same
morality on the other hand, is the application of that concept. and that changes from year to year decade to decade.
we have multiple definitions and usages for many words. instead of being on topic and talking about politics someone is playing cat and mouse with you chosing one way of usage or the other to ... for some unknow reason... hijack the thread.
ex: morality is how we decided what is good and evil - this is always going to be true so long as we use the word to mean that, and as a concept will always be true so long as there is a word that is used for that purpose
ex2: it is moral and right to beat your slave when they are out of line, because it helps them to know what the rules are.
this is an outdated morality and existed for thousands of years but we do not generally believe this because the general morality has evolved in better ways.
ex 3: its incredulous to me that this kind of thread hijacking would be perpetrated by a staff member.
this is a moral judgement made by me, its personal and may change extremely quickly even day to day.
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Re: Cuba [Re: rxb] 1
#28290092 - 04/22/23 03:48 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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You take life way too seriously, bro. This is the internet.
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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil]
#28290101 - 04/22/23 03:52 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Wasn't this a joke thread anyway?
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So did you guys reach a consensus yet? Or are we still divided on whether or not morality is subjective or objective?
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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil]
#28290116 - 04/22/23 03:59 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
Enlil said: You take life way too seriously, bro. This is the internet.
not only is this the internet, this is a drug forum.
and none the less i have expounded on morality
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Re: Cuba [Re: rxb]
#28290120 - 04/22/23 04:02 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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according to your avatar you might not be the best representation of what is moral or not.
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Re: Cuba [Re: 336]
#28290124 - 04/22/23 04:04 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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so you are saying that im immoral?
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Re: Cuba [Re: rxb]
#28290128 - 04/22/23 04:05 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Does the spider catch flies? lol
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Re: Cuba [Re: 336]
#28290132 - 04/22/23 04:07 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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what do you know of my morality?
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Quote:
ballsalsa said: Wasn't this a joke thread anyway?
That was my impression.
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Re: Cuba [Re: rxb]
#28290135 - 04/22/23 04:09 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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well apparently you like pain. many people do not. thus what might be moral to you could easily be immoral for someone else.
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Re: Cuba [Re: 336]
#28290144 - 04/22/23 04:12 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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That would mean moral subjectivity. The better way to analyze it would be whether giving pain, if requested, is moral
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Re: Cuba [Re: 336]
#28290147 - 04/22/23 04:14 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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but if it was consensual pain, then that would tend to satisfy most people's moral standard, do you know anything about my stance on consent? do you have enough information to make this moral judgement properly?
have you never watched king of the hill?
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Re: Cuba [Re: rxb]
#28290151 - 04/22/23 04:15 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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*judgment
My view on pain is that it is better to give than to receive.
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Re: Cuba [Re: Enlil]
#28290165 - 04/22/23 04:19 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
Enlil said: *judgment
My view on pain is that it is better to give than to receive.
Aenglish spellings are fluid. less so in the past 100 years but non the less... very fluid lots of rules, broken rules, exceptions to rules...
all for making an attempt at communication...
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Re: Cuba [Re: rxb]
#28290182 - 04/22/23 04:26 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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all I know is that if you are pro-pain and you have a bunch of pro-pain accessories I'm staying away from your house. whether you are moral or immoral. lmao
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