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    #28271327 - 04/10/23 04:05 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

I know this place is a den of theives for far left ideologues. Having said that I do wonder whether the left and the right could come together around one central issue and that issue might well be corruption?

Within the US system with all its checks and balances there seems to be missing an emphasis on oversight and accountability when it comes to lobbying. It wont be news to anyone that politicians that start out earning x amount of money through there primary income end up multimillionairs from back room deals, insider trading or through NGO's or other supposidbly "charitable" ventures?

Could we all then agree that perhaps lobbying itself should perhaps be banned or at least there should be some more regulations or some lawful means of accountability when it comes to how much career politicans of both stripes can make during their time in office?

Isn't it just a bit insane to contemplate how much the Pelosi's have made Nancy has been in power? Or Joe Biden for that matter? I'm sure you could add a whole swath of right wing politicians to that list too.

When generations in the future look back from perhaps what I hope to be a better future, might not they proclaim that this time was the time of degenerate lack of political accountability when it comes to outright corruption of our political class?


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Re: Corruption [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28271334 - 04/10/23 04:13 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Isn't it just a bit insane to contemplate how much the Pelosi's have made Nancy has been in power? Or Joe Biden for that matter? I



How much have they made ?


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Re: Corruption [Re: Psilynut2]
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Re: Corruption [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28271432 - 04/10/23 05:24 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

The article doesn't say anything about the money Nancy is getting from lobbyists.


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Re: Corruption [Re: thetruthsohelp] * 1
    #28271434 - 04/10/23 05:25 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Within the US system with all its checks and balances there seems to be missing an emphasis on oversight and accountability when it comes to lobbying. It wont be news to anyone that politicians that start out earning x amount of money through there primary income end up multimillionairs from back room deals, insider trading or through NGO's or other supposidbly "charitable" ventures?




I don’t think this happens the way you describe it. It’s already quite illegal for politicians to take money from lobbyists. Insider trading is also illegal, and quite a number of politicians have gone to prison for it.

Generally, aside from already being rich and having their wealth increase the same way all rich people get more wealthy through investment, most politicians don’t really cash in until they have left office.

As for Nancy pelosi, I’ve never seen any evidence she engages in insider trading and her stock portfolio looks pretty boilerplate to me. A lot of big name companies. Her husband is a San Francisco venture capitalist, which pretty much explains how they have gotten so wealthy:


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    #28271438 - 04/10/23 05:28 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Or Joe Biden for that matter? I



Joe Biden made most of his money off books sales during the four years he wasn’t serving in elected office.

36 years earning a senators salary and eight years with a vice presidential salary, a best selling book and now 2 years as president, there is nothing really impressive about Bidens net worth. Any disciplined adult who has earned $3+ million in salary alone should be worth at least $10 million.


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Re: Corruption [Re: koods]
    #28271449 - 04/10/23 05:33 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Well OK, your entitled to that opinion. Its more or less common knowledge that many politicians start out with very little and 'somehow' become extremly weathly during their time in office. Of course there are laws, but laws that are not enforced due to political pull is certainly a factor. Just look at the money Biden has recieved from China......but of course i'm sure most of the lefties here are all eyes wide shut about that issue.

In any case, do you think that perhaps it might be a good idea to prevent sitting memebers of congress from trade stocks during their terms? Seems like a pretty reasonable thing to me.


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Re: Corruption [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28271458 - 04/10/23 05:39 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

It seems to me that having a president or past president living in poverty is just asking for more corruption.


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    #28271461 - 04/10/23 05:41 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

The vast majority of politicians are wealthy before they run for office.

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Just look at the money Biden has recieved from China......but of course i'm sure most of the lefties here are all eyes wide shut about that issue.





What money is that? I hear this all the time, but never any specifics.


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Re: Corruption [Re: koods] * 1
    #28271471 - 04/10/23 05:44 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

After serving a term as president I think they deserve a nice beach house or whatever to chill.


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    #28271477 - 04/10/23 05:46 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Beach House you say? BUT WHATABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE! lol


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Re: Corruption [Re: koods]
    #28271479 - 04/10/23 05:47 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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The vast majority of politicians are wealthy before they run for office.

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Just look at the money Biden has recieved from China......but of course i'm sure most of the lefties here are all eyes wide shut about that issue.





What money is that? I hear this all the time, but never any specifics.




https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-biden-family-members-receiving-payments-from-chinese-energy-company%EF%BF%BC/


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    #28271482 - 04/10/23 05:47 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

It’s not even on the beach. His backyard is a canal and then a swamp.


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    #28271483 - 04/10/23 05:48 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Beach House you say? BUT WHATABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE! lol




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    #28271487 - 04/10/23 05:49 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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It’s not even on the beach. His backyard is a canal and then a swamp.



Drain that swamp and have beach front property! :naughty:


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    #28271489 - 04/10/23 05:49 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Beach House you say? BUT WHATABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE! lol




What?





What what?


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Re: Corruption [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28271494 - 04/10/23 05:51 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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The vast majority of politicians are wealthy before they run for office.

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Just look at the money Biden has recieved from China......but of course i'm sure most of the lefties here are all eyes wide shut about that issue.





What money is that? I hear this all the time, but never any specifics.




https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-biden-family-members-receiving-payments-from-chinese-energy-company%EF%BF%BC/




Link doesn’t work, but based on the URL it doesn’t seem like that report is about Joe Biden.


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    #28271499 - 04/10/23 05:53 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Beach House you say? BUT WHATABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE! lol




What?





What what?




What does a beach house have to do with climate change?


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Re: Corruption [Re: koods]
    #28271508 - 04/10/23 05:57 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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koods said:
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thetruthsohelp said:
Beach House you say? BUT WHATABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE! lol




What?





What what?




What does a beach house have to do with climate change?




Ask Al Gore, he pretty much said all those beach front places would be underwater like 7 years ago now.


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    #28271529 - 04/10/23 06:06 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Unlike almost all the houses in rehoboth, the bidens house is built on stilts and the first floor is 10 feet above ground level. I stayed at house in the same neighborhood last year and the back yard flooded at high tide. So yeah, sea level rise is definitely a concern, which is probably why the Bidens decided to buy a house with that in mind.


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    #28271605 - 04/10/23 06:41 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Doesn’t work


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    #28271687 - 04/10/23 07:17 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

:derp:


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    #28272343 - 04/11/23 07:08 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

This is a pretty typical uninformed position.  You hear all this stuff about the evil lobbyists, so you jump on that band wagon.  It's pretty clear you know nothing about what lobbyists actually do.


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Re: Corruption [Re: Enlil]
    #28273162 - 04/11/23 04:36 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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This is a pretty typical uninformed position.  You hear all this stuff about the evil lobbyists, so you jump on that band wagon.  It's pretty clear you know nothing about what lobbyists actually do.




OK dude, nothing to see here, move along, there is no connection between lobbyists and political corruption, everything is just fine, I know nothing and the system works perfectly. :facepalm3:


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    #28273166 - 04/11/23 04:37 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)



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    #28273177 - 04/11/23 04:44 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

Sarcasm is the lowest form of rhetoric.

My guess is you have never been a lobbyist nor known any lobbyists.  I'll bet you haven't even read the laws regulating the lobbying industry.

Why don't you explain for me exactly what you think it is that lobbyists do?


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    #28273217 - 04/11/23 05:10 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

Why should I bother explaining to a lawyer what lobbyists do? I'm not here to explain anything to you, anyone with half a brain knows what the lobbying industry does. Your guess is just a guess and I don't really care what your guess is. I'll bet that as a lawyer you have learned to lie for a living, but thats just my guess.


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    #28273219 - 04/11/23 05:12 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

I met a lobbyist for the US Mint, he was an agent of change.


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    #28273222 - 04/11/23 05:13 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

I don't have to guess, bro.  I literally KNOW what lobbyists do.  I've been in the room when they do what they do.  Just like you think lawyers lie for a living, you think lobbyists bribe politicians.  Neither of those are legal, BTW.

You clearly are just talking out of your ass.


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    #28273225 - 04/11/23 05:14 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-biden-family-members-receiving-payments-from-chinese-energy-company




I don’t see Joe Biden’s name in that list. The people listed are not in politics. Can you explain why someone can’t receive payments from China? I mean, Donald Trump had a half billion dollar loan from the Chinese state bank and a bank account in China.


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    #28273228 - 04/11/23 05:17 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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I don't have to guess, bro.  I literally KNOW what lobbyists do.  I've been in the room when they do what they do.  Just like you think lawyers lie for a living, you think lobbyists bribe politicians.  Neither of those are legal, BTW.

You clearly are just talking out of your ass.




I never said you had to guess, bro. I'm sure you know full well what lobbyists do. I know professional lawyers who earn six figures who professionally lie for a living, I don't have to guess at that. Are you saying that no lobbyists have ever bribed a public offical to get laws passed? I never said it was legal either. Your grubby lawyer speak is showing dude. You're literally implying that corruption does not occur. Talk about eyes wide shut, typical lawyer.


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    #28273237 - 04/11/23 05:21 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

I'm sure there are lobbyists who bribe, but it's likely very rare.  If you want to bribe a politician, why would you use a lobbyist to do it?  They are heavily regulated.  It's easy to send someone to bribe someone...why use someone who specifically is watched for such things?

So, you've avoided telling us what you think lobbyists do and instead think that some have, at some point, bribed a politician.


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    #28273268 - 04/11/23 05:36 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

Saying that regulations stop corruption is like saying the police investigate themselves justly. Its just not actual factual dude. I don't have time to debate you on the fact that elected officals and lobbyists don't always play within the rules. Our leaders for the most part do not care about us, they do not have our best interests at heart. Who regulates the regulators? Who watches the watchers? Your faith in this system of supposed checks and balances is either misplaced or my guess is you are part of the problem.


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    #28274422 - 04/12/23 01:03 PM (9 months, 11 days ago)

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I'm sure there are lobbyists who bribe, but it's likely very rare.  If you want to bribe a politician, why would you use a lobbyist to do it?  They are heavily regulated.  It's easy to send someone to bribe someone...why use someone who specifically is watched for such things?

So, you've avoided telling us what you think lobbyists do and instead think that some have, at some point, bribed a politician.





you can, as a lobyist, spend a WHOLE lot of money in a politicians favor without it legally and technically being a bribe, it may still be bribery...

like what pelosi did wasnt technically insider illegal trading... but she still beat the market over and over and over.


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    #28274460 - 04/12/23 01:26 PM (9 months, 11 days ago)

Nothing unusual about a savvy trader consistently beating the market.  Several individuals have famously become billionaires for that particular skill set


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Nothing unusual about a savvy trader consistently beating the market.  Several individuals have famously become billionaires for that particular skill set




you may believe that pelosi is an investment guru... i wont hold it against you... people believe trump is a good businessman too...i try not to hold it against them either.

everyone has their blind spots.


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You have no proof, and call me blind.  I offer easily verifiable counter-claims to your fabulism.


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You have no proof, and call me blind.  I offer easily verifiable counter-claims to your fabulism.




you have verifiable proof she didnt use any insider info to make trades?

thats very interesting but i dont believe you.


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    #28276611 - 04/13/23 09:47 PM (9 months, 10 days ago)

You don't believe what?  What he said, or what you made up and claim he said?


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    #28276642 - 04/13/23 10:24 PM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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Nothing unusual about a savvy trader consistently beating the market.  Several individuals have famously become billionaires for that particular skill set




you may believe that pelosi is an investment guru... i wont hold it against you... people believe trump is a good businessman too...i try not to hold it against them either.

everyone has their blind spots.




I don’t think Pelosi is an investment guru, but her husband literally is. That’s his job. He’s a Silicon Valley venture capitalist. I heard they’ve done quite well.


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    #28276861 - 04/14/23 05:35 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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You don't believe what?  What he said, or what you made up and claim he said?




you are a made up claim that he said.

politicians are corrupt. both sides.


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Re: Corruption [Re: rxb]
    #28276912 - 04/14/23 06:46 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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You don't believe what?  What he said, or what you made up and claim he said?




you are a made up claim that he said.

politicians are corrupt. both sides.




and people who do not believe that their favorite pollitician is corrupt...are wrong.

unless their favorite politician is like a local guy it takes a really slimy lawyer type to want to be a politician to begin with, they have no ethics beyond power and control.


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Re: Corruption [Re: rxb]
    #28276999 - 04/14/23 08:12 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Everyone over 20 is corrupt.  That's not saying much.  Politicians are probably less corrupt than the average joe, however.


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    #28277028 - 04/14/23 08:35 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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Everyone over 20 is corrupt.  That's not saying much.  Politicians are probably less corrupt than the average joe, however.




by what metric? thats an inane statement from the master of the pointless inane statement

please enlil... show your work.


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Re: Corruption [Re: rxb]
    #28277038 - 04/14/23 08:41 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Everyone lies.  That's an undeniable fact.  Everyone has lied at least once for personal gain.  Everyone is corrupt.

Politicians are absolutely humans, so they are also corrupt, but in their political work, they are far more scrutinized than the average person, so they likely are less willing to lie simply because they're being watched more closely.


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Re: Corruption [Re: rxb]
    #28277042 - 04/14/23 08:43 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

you are on a drug site populated by drug people find me a politician growing shrooms.

how many people speed? how many people dont buckle up how many people lie on taxes? or bs some shit at work.

i break the law 24hours a day:shrug: im corrupted to the fullest.


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    #28277057 - 04/14/23 08:55 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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Everyone lies.  That's an undeniable fact.  Everyone has lied at least once for personal gain.  Everyone is corrupt.

Politicians are absolutely humans, so they are also corrupt, but in their political work, they are far more scrutinized than the average person, so they likely are less willing to lie simply because they're being watched more closely.




i agree people are self interested. politicians i know many of them personally i think the least corrupt 2 i have personal connections with are both democrats. but stuff like what clarence thomas is being scrutinized for right now happens every day, at all levels.

iǘe seen 4th of july fireworks from the roof of the white house... and even that was me gaining access because i knew someone... washington largely works that way. people give things because people want things... corruption is a currency.

so while i agree that politicians probably arent MORE corrupt than anyone else per say, the EFFECTS of their corruption are greater. and their opportunities for corruption are more, and if you think that the scrutiny is actually a factor which is majorly at play you are sillier than i previously thought... and ive thought of you as a very silly egomaniac for over 10 years.


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    #28277061 - 04/14/23 08:57 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Luckily, your opinion of me is wholly irrelevant both to me and this discussion.


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    #28277064 - 04/14/23 09:01 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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Luckily, your opinion of me is wholly irrelevant both to me and this discussion.




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    #28277071 - 04/14/23 09:07 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Actually, it was a personal attack which is against the rules in this forum.  Had it been directed at any other member, I likely would have deleted the post and/or issued an infraction.


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    #28277086 - 04/14/23 09:16 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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Actually, it was a personal attack which is against the rules in this forum.  Had it been directed at any other member, I likely would have deleted the post and/or issued an infraction.




it wasnt at all, it was a personal opinion. you use personal attacks all the time... calm down snowflake


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    #28277110 - 04/14/23 09:33 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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Actually, it was a personal attack which is against the rules in this forum.  Had it been directed at any other member, I likely would have deleted the post and/or issued an infraction.




it wasnt at all, it was a personal opinion. you use personal attacks all the time... calm down snowflake




honestly if you say that legit hurt your feelings somehow, iĺl never speak the truth about you again, but frankly youve said worse about me in the past and i didnt cry fowl... and that is my legit opinion of you, and if ¨silly egomaniac" is really that mean and really hurt your feelings i wont say it again.


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Re: Corruption [Re: rxb]
    #28277137 - 04/14/23 09:49 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Of course it didn't hurt my feelings.  My feelings are irrelevant here, insofar as I have feelings at all.  I'm giving you a friendly heads-up so that you can avoid having problems in the future.  As I said, I'm far more tolerant of personal attacks upon me than I am of personal attacks on other members of this site.


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    #28277139 - 04/14/23 09:51 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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Of course it didn't hurt my feelings.  My feelings are irrelevant here, insofar as I have feelings at all.  I'm giving you a friendly heads-up so that you can avoid having problems in the future.  As I said, I'm far more tolerant of personal attacks upon me than I am of personal attacks on other members of this site.




you were banned from enforcement on me like 10 years ago for stalking... youĺl have to get asante to do it i guess. but i mean if you want to this time i wont call foul on that either since i did more or less start it... but seriously i wasnt being very mean to you and you are derailing the thread focusing on a tiny quip


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Re: Corruption [Re: rxb]
    #28277159 - 04/14/23 10:03 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

I have no idea what you're talking about.  If you have some 10 year old butthurt over me, I certainly don't recall it.  I'm certainly not "banned from enforcement" on you.  I don't know where you got that idea.

My only concern is that you conform your conduct to the rules of this forum.  If you do that, you're welcome to stay.  If you don't, you'll find yourself unwelcome very quickly.


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    #28277179 - 04/14/23 10:19 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

about 10 years ago, you repeatedly banned me because of your ego and asante said you would no longer be enforcing rules on me... you followed me from forum to forum shitposting me and banning me until asante stepped in  (by request of a completely different user)... im not butthurt about it..its just a thing you did... my signature is from that era where you were just being a tool and following me from thread to thread being a tool. hopefully... you are less of a tool now but who knows.


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    #28277208 - 04/14/23 10:36 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

I think you're lying.  I have no recollection of you prior to a few days ago, and I have no communications from Asante regarding you.  Nothing in the ban-o-matic indicates that I've ever banned you or even issued you an official warning.  I realize that whatever happened, you thought it was a big deal, but I don't even remember.

The point here is that you need to follow the rules, or I will ban you.  It's really that simple.  Now, can we get back on topic?


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    #28277236 - 04/14/23 10:55 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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I think you're lying.  I have no recollection of you prior to a few days ago, and I have no communications from Asante regarding you.  Nothing in the ban-o-matic indicates that I've ever banned you or even issued you an official warning.  I realize that whatever happened, you thought it was a big deal, but I don't even remember.

The point here is that you need to follow the rules, or I will ban you.  It's really that simple.  Now, can we get back on topic?




corruption is like when a forum moderator calls you a liar and then deletes your post when you say you arent lying.

corruption is a moderator being over-reaching on rules because he isnt very good at debate, so he over-regulates those who are better than he is.

corruption is power. and while the average person IS corrupt as enlil points out. those who have more power than others their corruption has more effect on more people than the average person.


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Re: Corruption [Re: rxb]
    #28277250 - 04/14/23 11:06 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

I agree with all of that.  It doesn't really counter my point that politicians are likely less corrupt in their political work because of the scrutiny they face.


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    #28277260 - 04/14/23 11:11 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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I agree with all of that.  It doesn't really counter my point that politicians are likely less corrupt in their political work because of the scrutiny they face.




the scrutiny only applies to the l
etter of the law, law written largely by lawyers for lawyers with HUGE fucking loopholes.

you pretend to be a lawyer so you get it i assume... the scrutiny doesnt matter. the judicial process should account for alot of scutiny but golfing with a judge goes alot further than it should even in major crime cases.

if golfing with a judge will change an outcome, then APOINTING one probably does too unfortunately for donald trump there are some slimy things even a lawyer wont do.


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    #28277268 - 04/14/23 11:13 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Golfing with a judge doesn't likely change many outcomes, though.  That's just standard conspiracy shit.


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    #28277274 - 04/14/23 11:17 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

The problem with Enil is he thinks their is scrutiny, so lets entertain that idea. Who does the scrutinizing is a more important question. Who regulates the regulators? Who scrutinized those who are put in positions of power to perform such scrutiny? Power breeds corruption and our leaders do not play by the same rules as they most certainly think they are above the law because they are the ones that make the laws. When a huge document is written up by law makers and everyone is expected to vote on this document a few days after, without time given to review whats in it, that in itself is proof of corruption.

Remember this: House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said of the Affordable Care Act, in 2010: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."


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    #28277279 - 04/14/23 11:19 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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about 10 years ago, you repeatedly banned me because of your ego and asante said you would no longer be enforcing rules on me... you followed me from forum to forum shitposting me and banning me until asante stepped in  (by request of a completely different user)... im not butthurt about it..its just a thing you did... my signature is from that era where you were just being a tool and following me from thread to thread being a tool. hopefully... you are less of a tool now but who knows.




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    #28277281 - 04/14/23 11:23 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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Golfing with a judge doesn't likely change many outcomes, though.  That's just standard conspiracy shit.




in my life it has so many times. almost every lawyer i know has a story. my uncle was john edwards mentor and was a supreme court lawyer whos primary practice was taking railroads to the supreme court :smile:... he had lots of stories about golfing and sailing with judges and other lawyers.

the name drop is mostly for the context of it all... but those personal relationships are HUGE in both politics and law on high levels.

i mean i´d think you´d know something about it really.


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    #28277288 - 04/14/23 11:28 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Dude thinks judges can't be bought. The levels of lawyerism from this Enil guy is unreal. Its either blind faith in the system, or he knows the corruption and is deeply in bed with the corrupt. It has to be one of the two and im all for giving benefit of the doubt, but bruh.........wtf


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    #28277431 - 04/14/23 01:17 PM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Anyone can be bought.  That's not the point. If you want to claim someone has been, it's up to you to prove it.  You don't just get to assume.


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    #28277461 - 04/14/23 01:34 PM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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Anyone can be bought.  That's not the point. If you want to claim someone has been, it's up to you to prove it.  You don't just get to assume.




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The politics forum works a bit differently


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    #28277475 - 04/14/23 01:43 PM (9 months, 9 days ago)

only in your mind.

our presumption of how the legal system works doesnt have to go through the scruples of proof. if we see evidence of it we can say so, and you cant stop us by saying ¨prove it in court"because of course we cant, thats how corruption works. but we can talk about it and talk about where we have seen evidence of it.

moreover... we can say we think you are corrupt... we can say we think the system is corrupt... we can say we think the government is corrupt and we can say we think polliticians are corrupt and all you can do is offer YOUR opinion in return.

because thats how it REALLY works

you can also BE corrupt and delete posts... but you have already done that once today and if you get too trigger happy someones gonna notice...and it starts to make you look bad after a while


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    #28277482 - 04/14/23 01:46 PM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Doubtful. I've issued thousands of infractions here and can count the ones overturned on one hand. As corrupt as i may be in life, I'm certainly not on this forum because of scrutiny and accountability. The same goes for my law practice and for the same reason.


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    #28277490 - 04/14/23 01:51 PM (9 months, 9 days ago)

theres no need for proof in the statement he made.

there is no infraction to issue.

theres no need for any governance at all on your part

there really isnt any need for you at all here you are taking away from the discussion not adding to it.

one could even say you are corrupting it


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I think you need to look up what a moderator does.


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    #28277516 - 04/14/23 02:08 PM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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    #28277767 - 04/14/23 05:20 PM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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Anyone can be bought.  That's not the point. If you want to claim someone has been, it's up to you to prove it.  You don't just get to assume.




You mean I cant assume its happening unless our overseers snitch out each other and make it public? :facepalm3:

I get the presumption of innocence, but when our system is so obviously broken, I now have to assume our leaders are the pillars of vrtue for the fact they havent been caught by a system that protects its own at all costs?

How dumb do you and they think we are dude?

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