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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28287309 - 04/20/23 08:01 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

In nature the sign of age of consent is when they hit puberty...

But humans believe they aren't mature enough in mind.. thus the age of consent law.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28287317 - 04/20/23 08:07 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

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... Eliminating rich people does not fix anything. The aggregate is what matters.



Some rich people make it bad for all the other rich people -
maybe we can get a new category to enable the aggregate to uplift with dignity.

something more fortunate than merely rich, perhaps the philanthropy class,
something that bears both credit and merit.

you can kill a few birds with a good stone in a nice setting.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28287333 - 04/20/23 08:24 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

Of course there are bad rich people, and I'm sure that they are no more frequent among the rich than among the poor. Maybe less visible in the middle classes who don't have the opportunity to flex their badness as much as the poor or the rich.

A philanthropy class-- I love it. If De Beers can use marketing to convince everyone that a common diamond is worth more than a rare ruby, surely we could convince people that the ultimate status symbol is philanthropic.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28287344 - 04/20/23 08:30 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

The whole class has to be organized around an Integrity Process, so that bad philanthropists can be sent to Denver on a bus for therapy.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
    #28287360 - 04/20/23 08:36 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

They're saying criminal sanctions may not be necessary or beneficial for adolescents engaging with other adolescents. The way you've worded that seems weirdly open to interpretation which is not what the report was about.

Yeah, republicans are pushing right now to not increase the age of consent for marriage to 18, and to peel back child labor laws too areas like meatworks with 14 year olds.

All you've got to do is acknowledge that knee surgeries and having children have higher rates of regret than trans surgeries and well be able to move on here.

You don't have to be attracted to the end result of someone having a sex change :shrug:

Your first 2018 soy link didn't conclude much.
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Infants who consumed soy-based formula as newborns had differences in some reproductive-system cells and tissues, compared to those who used cow-milk formula or were breastfed, according to a new study. The researchers say the differences, measured in the months after birth, were subtle and not a cause for alarm, but reflect a need to further investigate the long-term effects of exposure to estrogen-like compounds found in soy-based formulas




Your second link from 1997 didnt come to any conclusions either.

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The daily exposure of infants to isoflavones in soy infant-formulas is 6–11 fold higher on a bodyweight basis than the dose that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods. Circulating concentrations of isoflavones in the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13 000–22 000 times higher than plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient to exert biological effects, whereas the contribution of isoflavones from breast-milk and cow-milk is negligible.




A 2022 study on pigs came to some conclusion.

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These data suggest soy formula is not estrogenic in the male neonatal piglet and that soy formula does not significantly alter male reproductive development.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8912539/




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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: sudly]
    #28287370 - 04/20/23 08:45 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

Rahz, do we have a conspiracy retweeter problem going on here.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28287760 - 04/21/23 07:39 AM (9 months, 3 days ago)

I will concede that the text does not mean what I interpreted it to mean.

I addressed the knee surgery, and the childbirth issue is (hopefully) an adult's decision. "Sex change" is a misnomer. It's just been promoted as truth long enough that people accept it without question and it's being fed to children liberally now. The social issues that are arising due to it are evidence promoting delusions don't have good outcomes. I expect the situation to further devolve as time goes by.

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6–11 fold higher on a bodyweight basis than the dose that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods.




That's more than enough to take pause.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
    #28288232 - 04/21/23 01:21 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

You did say,

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I assume dissatisfaction with knee surgery is due to the surgery not providing the expected benefit. There's a chance that will happen. 




That doesn't acknowledge a higher rate of dissatisfaction for knee surgeries or having children.

With how vocal you're being about objecting sex changes, I'd like to invoke Haggards law with a trans twist and rest my case. 


May be sufficient to exert biological effects is not, does exert biological effects.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28288267 - 04/21/23 01:43 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

the truck and the guns assure testoteronity as advertised.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: sudly]
    #28288320 - 04/21/23 02:11 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

Congratulations on resting your case with a speculative personalism.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
    #28288324 - 04/21/23 02:13 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

Dodging the conclusions, a classic from Rahz!


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: sudly]
    #28288355 - 04/21/23 02:26 PM (9 months, 3 days ago)

oh oh oh ephedrine!


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: sudly]
    #28288549 - 04/21/23 03:57 PM (9 months, 2 days ago)

If it makes sense that I'm wrong about something I don't mind saying so.

I offered possibilities and not just chemical. The other things I mentioned along with childhood trauma and abuse all correlate to either endocrine disruption or gender dysphoria. And being that sperm production is driven by hormones the change in sperm count is a big red flag whether you care about it or not.

I'm not overly concerned with what adults do to their bodies, but the proportionality of gender affirmation and the care about what is causing gender dysphoria is a concern. It's not a big part of the conversation because it would be inconvenient to the feelings of those involved, not to mention it would be inconvenient to the industries that profit off the status quo. I also object to terminology that obscures the truth like sex change along with the rest of the ideology that reduces women to appearance based body parts and gender opinions.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
    #28289208 - 04/21/23 10:40 PM (9 months, 2 days ago)

Still no acknowledgment that trans surgeries have less of a regret rate than knee surgeries or having children.

Just looking for you to acknowledge that is all.

The endocrine disruption from glyph is speculative at best, fine to say you think there are links, but again must acknowledge speculative nature of the statement.

The reduction is sperm count sure is something worth looking into, I don't disagree it's a serious thing if true, but what the cause is? It's alright to say idk.

A sex change from man to trans women is pretty simple. I don't see any issue with referring to a trans man or trans woman as such rather than a man or woman :shrug:

I ain't attracted to trans women, but if a trans man was feminine enough I think I'd be okay clappin cheeks. Haven't met someone like that yet but the idea doesn't rub me the wrong way.

I suppose the real question some people would ask is if it'd be gay to clap a feminine trans man? I'm not so sure on that one, depends if I actually considered them a man or not, but if it got me going I'd tap. But yeah that's one id have to investigate more to find out. I consider myself straight for now, but bi-curious at best?

A legit debate to be had imo.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
    #28289487 - 04/22/23 07:23 AM (9 months, 2 days ago)

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Congratulations on resting your case with a speculative personalism.




Ha! : )


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28289564 - 04/22/23 08:30 AM (9 months, 2 days ago)

my speculations are resting too


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #28289762 - 04/22/23 12:00 PM (9 months, 2 days ago)

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The point is that various endocrine disruptors are being consumed and absorbed. It's reasonable that it might have something to do with the drastic change in sperm count and reasonable that the absence of normal endocrine function would contribute to a rise in gender dysphoria along with various other forms of stress.




this video in its entirety is about enocrine disruptors, but at the 29 minute point, the narrator speculates on the links btwn environmental chemicals and gender dysphoria. i found her thoughts to be well rounded on this topic.  there is not an extraordinary amount of data on the topic, but the decline in sperm count over a few generations is staggering!



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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: sudly]
    #28289768 - 04/22/23 12:06 PM (9 months, 2 days ago)

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sudly said:
Still no acknowledgment that trans surgeries have less of a regret rate than knee surgeries or having children.






having children and having knee surgery are not even remotely comparable events, and then another irrelated thing is being compared to these unrelated things?


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #28290166 - 04/22/23 04:20 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

The regret rate of trans surgeries is 1%. It is 6% or so for having children and higher for knee surgeries.

This definitely needs to be acknowledged and disregarding it indicates a clear disparity of thinking imo.

In general forms of surgery there is also a higher regret rate.

These different kinds of surgeries and life events are certainly comparable enough and important to acknowledge.

The fact you two don't seem able to acknowledge the simple realities of these numbers is disconcerting at best.


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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: sudly]
    #28290204 - 04/22/23 04:31 PM (9 months, 1 day ago)

in the least


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