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Things were probably better in '72. Why didn't it stick?
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psychosis [Re: Rahz]
#28276875 - 04/14/23 05:55 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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I guess you are over fifty, age sets in. Some say "youth is wasted on the youth" '72 was a long time ago VW beetles, Sensimillia, waterbeds, no home computers or cell phones, cheap rent and mandarine oranges.
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I was thinking about the love movement. It crossed secular and religious boundaries. But it seems we gave peace a chance and it didn't work out.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psychosis [Re: Rahz]
#28276930 - 04/14/23 07:07 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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yeah, well, I once had communal political ideas as well, but I also thought I wanted to be a monk. One keeps on maturing, and setting new goals, based upon suitability. Also - part of the problem is that nothing lasts and we do age out of what we thought was critically important, except for a few things: like learning to be calm. and learning to be present.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psychosis [Re: Rahz]
#28278172 - 04/14/23 10:45 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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Rahz said: I was thinking about the love movement. It crossed secular and religious boundaries. But it seems we gave peace a chance and it didn't work out.
I don't think that's because of the people.. but a hidden evil agenda pulling strings behind the scenes.
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I don't think people are smart enough to effectively conspire that well.
Connecting up the dots into evil manipulation schemes is just a paranoid habit, try wordle instead.
most criminal behavior is just dumb cheating. someone pretended to be my daughter with phone trouble yesterday, in a series of text messages. I almost paid into their scheme, but when they asked for money I knew it was really goofy. Had to block 2 phone numbers. Mostly I get tax fraudsters claiming I owe money.
sometimes I know there is a company in India making a fortune from schemes like these, but it is not well coordinated conspiracy. And there are no living dead or cordicepts fungus people either.
is the world too complicated, maybe it is for some.
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Rahz said: I was thinking about the love movement. It crossed secular and religious boundaries. But it seems we gave peace a chance and it didn't work out.
I don't think that's because of the people.. but a hidden evil agenda pulling strings behind the scenes.
Not saying you're wrong but the love movement while phenomenal wasn't all encompassing or truly unified. It was always counter-culture. Sometimes there's no need to pull strings. Just sit back and let things happen.
I think they made damn sure it didn't happen again though.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psychosis [Re: Rahz]
#28278437 - 04/15/23 06:08 AM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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People are smart enough (some of them) but it's a game of power so there's only ever so much unity.
"We're spreading democracy, not building an empire"
"We're not trying to divide and conquer, power to the poor"
It's an absence of faith in human potential. Crabs in a bucket. Vampires when aware and finding it reasonable and profitable.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psychosis [Re: Rahz]
#28278618 - 04/15/23 08:50 AM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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Rahz said: ... "We're spreading democracy, not building an empire" ...
In Canada, a movement is afoot, and has been for a long time, (though I was impatient about it in my teens), in which a Charter of Rights and Freedoms takes the place of a Constitution. We are definitely still working it out. If we do get a handle on it, and if it spreads off-shore, it it will not be conducive to Empire formation but rather towards global integration, and independent governance, which democratic practice can support when built upon a good cornerstone.
The right to bear arms is not one such cornerstone, and neither is the right to call deliquent behavior "free speech" when it is intentionally destructive.
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Is life better there now than in your teens?
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psychosis [Re: Rahz]
#28281121 - 04/16/23 08:00 PM (9 months, 7 days ago) |
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I think it is better in canada. gentler overall, we still have violence and gangs but we also treat charter issues with respect.
Some of the shameful USA tactics are percolating into our politics, but so far not too deeply.
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I don't think the psychedelic community really has a role to play in changing society, however I think it certainly has therapeutic benefits to the individuals who use it while informed.
This does have political elements to it regardless, obviously. They don't have to be divisive though, I think despite the appearances of legacy media, people generally want themselves and others to be healthy. We may be told were different, but when we get into the grit of it, the vast majority all want the same thing. Culture war references are only a distraction from economic issues and don't have real impacts on peoples lives. E.g. The bud light shenanigans atm. Next week it'll be cheese that's too creamy.
I think transparency of the entities advertising and sponsoring political figures is a great way to see change, but when the time we see their blazers stamped with sponsor badges is a mystery.
I think there are deep rooted issues and causes in the economic strife people find themselves in. When their told the market is great but they don't experience any of the benefits can be infuriating. And when put in poverty positions with little opportunity, the song of crime sways many.
Trickle down economics has been a ruse since 67 when Nixon split wealth distribution.
The danger in psychedelics isn't their toxicity, because they generally aren't, but I think is in the interpretions people have of their experiences while on them.
Instead of recognising the experience as one of personal responsibility, I think a lot of people tend to see them at coming externally and they end up attributing supernatural foundations to them which can be a hazy hole to dig into.
The time it takes to educate people on therapeutic psychedelic use is presumably extensive, while a political shift can spread quickly.
I think psychedelics technically could change society if everyone took them and was in highly therapeutic and informative conditions, but I don't see how that could come about other than a trickle at a time.
I suppose the responsibility of the psychedelic community in my view should be to educate about safe use and personal responsibility of psychedelic experiences, but easier said than done.
I think we all have a responsibility to vote though, and in Australia at least that is the case. The next step would be crossing our fingers and hoping someone genuine makes their way through the cracks and filters of legacy media to slam the wardens who keep the corporate sponsors at the helm of our national discourse.
So shifting the national discourse and expanding the Overton window to be inclusive of progressive policies supported by the majorities are critical in my view.
Frankly nowadays they just don't grant exposure to people and ideas that threaten to topple the monopoly they've built.
If you know who Marianne Williamson is that's neat, but the smear jobs and straight dismissal of her run for presidency is apparent.
Sometimes those who scoff the popular only make them more popular over time, at least that's the hope in Mariannes case.
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The divisiveness started in 67, not 2016.
It isn't a race or gender of people that is the issue, but the monied interest undermining democratic representation by buying the loyalty of politicians.
Clarence Thomas is a prime recent example of how bribery works in the US.
Universal healthcare and associated mental health care would be a godsend that would bring America into the 21st century to share in the haven of healthcare all other developed countries have. It would make a monumental difference to the lives of tens if not hundreds of millions of Americans.
First they'd be thankful their taxes are being used to benefit them and not just given to the Pentagon to fail 5 audits in a row and have 59% of their assets unaccounted for. Just hundreds of billions that no one can say where it went.
Second and most importantly, people wouldn't be thrown into medical debt for a broken arm of having a baby. When life happens and you find yourself in an accident, the last thing you need is a 10,000 medical bill that is price gouged and serves no purpose other than filling the pockets of rapacious for profit middle men insurance companies.
I don't think its surprising some people turn to crime or otherwise when they or someone in their lives falls ill and they're struck with a debt they'll never be able to repay. A debt the citizens of all other developed nations would have covered by the thousands in taxes they contribute to society every year.
Education has its merits too, and it doesn't help to try and rewrite history. I really hope you aren't trying to say that slavery was okay because some black people benefited from it or at least did well for themselves during the time.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: sudly]
#28281589 - 04/17/23 05:58 AM (9 months, 7 days ago) |
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The problem is the wealth gap and progressive policy correlate. I'm not saying it's causative but it does seem the policies that have been allowed to move forward aren't designed to shrink the gap. More like bread and circus, which includes pedophilia (p22)
https://icj2.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/8-MARCH-Principles-FINAL-printer-version-1-MARCH-2023.pdf
As well, the trans uproar is primarily about child consent, which of course opens up a whole new market for expensive procedures and lifetime care and pharmaceuticals. Interestingly, those who come of age and regret the path that was laid out for them find the insurance companies have no interest in spending money to reverse the damage that was done.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
#28281599 - 04/17/23 06:06 AM (9 months, 7 days ago) |
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Cool, name or quote one progressive policy you're referring to.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: sudly]
#28281608 - 04/17/23 06:28 AM (9 months, 7 days ago) |
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What do you consider to be progressive?
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
#28281626 - 04/17/23 06:45 AM (9 months, 7 days ago) |
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Rahz said: The problem is the wealth gap and progressive policy correlate. I'm not saying it's causative but it does seem the policies that have been allowed to move forward aren't designed to shrink the gap.
You made the statement, back it up, just name one progressive policy you're referring to.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: sudly]
#28281632 - 04/17/23 06:52 AM (9 months, 7 days ago) |
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Progressive policy is responsible for the shuttering of Germany's nuclear power plants which increases the burden on the poor.
I did give you one. That's two.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
#28281685 - 04/17/23 07:42 AM (9 months, 7 days ago) |
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I believe it's important to consider both the short term and long term effects of policy decisions, and to recognize that some policies may have trade offs or require significant upfront investments in order to yield long term benefits. The phasing out of nuclear power plants in Germany was a complex policy decision that involved weighing the potential risks and benefits of nuclear energy, and it is debatable whether it was ultimately a progressive or regressive policy. Some could argue that it was a progressive move towards a more sustainable and environmentally friendly energy system, while others could argue that it led to an increase in coal power use, which has negative environmental and health impacts.
While the decision to phase out nuclear power in Germany may have been a progressive policy in terms of promoting renewable energy sources, the increased use of coal power is not a progressive policy.
It's hard to definitively label the policy to phase out nuclear power in Germany as either progressive or regressive, because we can make clear that the increased use of coal power is not a progressive policy, and that this policy is distinguished from other policies that are explicitly labeled as progressive, such as universal healthcare, progressive taxation, paid family leave, increasing the minimum wage, and criminal justice reform.
Progressive policies like universal healthcare, progressive taxation, paid family leave, increasing the minimum wage and criminal justice reform are designed to decrease wealth inequality and improve general welfare. They aim to provide greater economic security and opportunities to those who are disadvantaged or marginalised in society.
And to your trans comments, according to some studies, rates of regret have declined over the years as patient selection and treatment methods have improved. A review of 27 studies involving almost 8000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries found that on average only 1% expressed regret. While for some, regret was temporary, a small number went on to have detransitioning or reversal surgeries. The research suggested that comprehensive psychological counseling before starting treatment, along with family support, can reduce chances for regret and detransitioning.
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Some studies suggest that rates of regret have declined over the years as patient selection and treatment methods have improved. In a review of 27 studies involving almost 8000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries, mostly in Europe, the U.S and Canada, 1% on average expressed regret. For some, regret was temporary, but a small number went on to have detransitioning or reversal surgeries, the 2021 review said.
Research suggests that comprehensive psychological counseling before starting treatment, along with family support, can reduce chances for regret and detransitioning.
https://apnews.com/article/transgender-treatment-regret-detransition-371e927ec6e7a24cd9c77b5371c6ba2b
There is no clear evidence to support the claim that the trans community is promoting or benefiting from a new market for expensive medical procedures or pharmaceuticals. The medical procedures and pharmaceuticals used in gender affirming care are not new, but have been used for decades to treat a variety of medical conditions. The cost of gender affirming care varies widely depending on the individual's needs and insurance coverage, and there is no evidence to suggest that the trans community is disproportionately benefiting from expensive medical procedures or pharmaceuticals.
I am aware that many insurance plans do cover some forms of gender affirming care, such as hormone therapy and gender confirmation surgeries. I also believe it's important to recognize that the decision to pursue gender affirming care is a personal choice made by individuals and should be respected as such.
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