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thetruthsohelp
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Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis 1
#28271131 - 04/10/23 01:07 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”
― Charles MacKay
I don't think any truly aware person in the west right now does not see a kind of mass hysteria surrounding the current social issues of the day, which started to set in with Trumps presidency and came to fruition during COVID. Whatever your views politically, I think its quite self-evident that the patients have proverbally taken over the asylum. Living in a big liberal city myself I see the decline of civil discourse and the societal decay set in of this new emergent post-modern dyspotia where mental illness is rife, crime is massivley on the rise and trust in instituions have a eroded to a level not before seen in my lifetime.
I'm starting to feel that my city in general is becomming more and more like an open air asylum. Its much more dangerous out there. Anyone who lives in downtown LA would most certainly agree with me on that. What has happened in society where we now move from crisis to crisis, civil discourse is gone and it seems like we a moving twoards a mass psychosis situation where the sane are self-censoring themselves so as not to inflame the crowd who have all drank the koolaid.
I'm trying not to get political with this, because I understand the causes of that form of divisiveness. I'm more now trying to figure out what the deep rooted philosophical/psychological causes are of what I see as mass hysperia/psychosis that I encouter now on a daily basis.
What kind of responsibility as psychadelic users do we have to understand how we might hope to repair our collective/individual situation perhaps with the use of deconditioning agents such a psilocybin or just plain commong sense approcahes, especially since I see people on this website also caught up in manufactured divisive narratives, that do not serve us a humans, trying to figure out this reality with some level of civility, logic and rationality?
Anyways, my two cents is that we must, as in the dark ages past, rediscover what the ancient philosophers have taught us to bring us back from the edge plummeting into another dark age.
Aristotle, Marcus Aurelius, Thomas Aquinus, Etc
A good reintroduction of the basic laws of logic and resoning might save us from going over the edge like lemmings.
Education education education!
What do you think?
Edited by thetruthsohelp (04/10/23 01:26 PM)
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Spore Gasm
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Just a small thought, of the psychological/ philosophical causes of this civil decay have a number of reasons behind it. I think one of the big reasons is the lack of mental health care, it's horrendously underfunded and just not really available to some people who need it most. Those who can't or don't have the funds aren't able to get help and may begin to self-medicate with harder substances. If that isn't the case having a lack of healthcare certainly would put anyone in a bad place. Although not true for everyone, everyone's situation is different, but there is a familiar pattern. The lack of civil discourse side of what you said could be partly attributed to poor education. There is no real federal standard in the US between all of the state's for what an education should be. Leaving some of the poorer states in the dust while richer states give a better education. Some states decide that they would rather cut the budget for education to fund other ventures, leading to more poorly educated children, and that can lead to the lack of civil discourse. Especially if kind of kept in an echo chamber of those with a similar mindset. Its a really unfortunate situation, but that is all I will go into for the moment.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psychosis [Re: Spore Gasm]
#28271239 - 04/10/23 03:05 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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the ancients had less understanding of mind. we still have illusions about mind, health, and order in society. USA supports free screaming, not only free speech, and if you want, get a gun, but then what are you going to do. more screaming. be free. it's mixed up.
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^And mind over matter is still taboo.
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Rahz
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A growing wealth gap means the poor get poorer while the middle class slide into poverty and creates an atmosphere of despair. The government brings in record taxes, but are spending ever greater amounts servicing the debt and supporting many hundreds of military bases around the world to perpetuate a fiat current that is being devalued. Leisure computers and social media is especially unkind to freedom loving countries as long term gratification is given up for porn and video games, social isolation and living the soft life, which shelters ever greater numbers of people from emotional maturity via the loss of commitments and obligations, conflict resolution, etc. Parents are affected in greater numbers leaving their children to these devices (neglect) or trying to isolate them and mold them which prevents the creation of self-identity. Pathologies increase and with no end in sight to the financial malaise the despair fuels hopelessness and victim mentality. Greater and greater amounts are spent on health care but it is a loosing battle that results in greater and greater numbers of mentally ill.
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thetruthsohelp said:
Anyways, my two cents is that we must, as in the dark ages past, rediscover what the ancient philosophers have taught us to bring us back from the edge plummeting into another dark age.
more than likely that wld require a total reset, to create a literal dark age. a natural emp or man-made one.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
#28272248 - 04/11/23 04:31 AM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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Rahz said: A growing wealth gap means the poor get poorer while the middle class slide into poverty and creates an atmosphere of despair. The government brings in record taxes, but are spending ever greater amounts servicing the debt and supporting many hundreds of military bases around the world to perpetuate a fiat current that is being devalued. Leisure computers and social media is especially unkind to freedom loving countries as long term gratification is given up for porn and video games, social isolation and living the soft life, which shelters ever greater numbers of people from emotional maturity via the loss of commitments and obligations, conflict resolution, etc. Parents are affected in greater numbers leaving their children to these devices (neglect) or trying to isolate them and mold them which prevents the creation of self-identity. Pathologies increase and with no end in sight to the financial malaise the despair fuels hopelessness and victim mentality. Greater and greater amounts are spent on health care but it is a loosing battle that results in greater and greater numbers of mentally ill.
many of these points are valid. can you see a way around the problems into a brighter future? what are the obstacles? what kind of coordinated effort is necessary. anyway - great summary of the plight
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
#28272294 - 04/11/23 05:52 AM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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Rahz said: A growing wealth gap means the poor get poorer while the middle class slide into poverty and creates an atmosphere of despair. The government brings in record taxes, but are spending ever greater amounts servicing the debt and supporting many hundreds of military bases around the world to perpetuate a fiat current that is being devalued. Leisure computers and social media is especially unkind to freedom loving countries as long term gratification is given up for porn and video games, social isolation and living the soft life, which shelters ever greater numbers of people from emotional maturity via the loss of commitments and obligations, conflict resolution, etc. Parents are affected in greater numbers leaving their children to these devices (neglect) or trying to isolate them and mold them which prevents the creation of self-identity. Pathologies increase and with no end in sight to the financial malaise the despair fuels hopelessness and victim mentality. Greater and greater amounts are spent on health care but it is a loosing battle that results in greater and greater numbers of mentally ill.
Great post!
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To blame the current civil decay and rising mass hysteria on the 48 months of the Trump presidency is very shortsighted. I don't see much difference between the divisiveness the Obamas push and that of Republicans. Recall how George Zimmerman was described as a "white Hispanic". The Obamas are just as divisive and narcissistic many other politicians.
The Trump presidency was good for many reasons. It exposed a lot of hatred that so called "compassionate" people have hidden behind. This exposure is good. The charade is over. Notice how demonization has skyrocketed, as one political party calls the other a mindless brainwashed cult. In 2020, Biden voters claimed to be very happy to move past Trump, yet their furious anger has increased. Trump remains the cornerstone of the Democrat party.
The perspective America is full of racist white supremacists (who want to annihilate blacks) was popularized by Johnnie Cochran in 1995, when he repeatedly told us that racism is everywhere. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar now tells us white racism is everywhere in the US, even when we don't see it, white racial hatred is everywhere. Kareem refuses to admit racism in the black community has exploded - being fed by the victim extremists. The radical gender extremists are also pushing the victimhood narrative hard. In their story, the bad people are always the same. The evil brainwashed cult.
I don't believe hundreds of billions of dollars for mental health care would change much of anything. If we provide every single person with free meds and a free therapist, depression, despair, chronic rage, and mass drug and alcohol abuse will still be very common. Mental health needs to be cultivated and established early on in life. To try to rescue a miserable person later in life is putting a tiny bandage on a giant bleeding wound.
If education is a factor, it's our inability and unwillingness to address what causes human despair and misery. BTW, my son, in his first year of college, is being taught that white Americans kidnapped African blacks to be used as slaves. That we are so afraid to teach the truth is amazing. Some African leaders became rich by selling America slaves. If we are afraid to teach basic historical facts, we are screwed.
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redgreenvines said: many of these points are valid. can you see a way around the problems into a brighter future? what are the obstacles? what kind of coordinated effort is necessary. anyway - great summary of the plight
I don't think there's a way around the problems but it's part of a cycle that has played out before. Time has no obstacles.
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@ rahz, So fatalism is your sooth. @ rgtubs, I cannot remember any public figure before Trump who showed no respect for anyone or anything except himself. Probably the worst example for the rest of us who are barely past monkey see monkey do.
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Do you blame the Hollywood elite (such as Oprah and David Letterman) for constantly encouraging Trump to run for president? Oprah has just as big of an ego as Donald. Maybe larger? I laugh when my friends get angry that I refuse to pronounce Trump the biggest of all egos. Yeah, OK. The prerequisite for demonization is fantasy.
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Rahz
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I think it's the logical sooth based on thousands of years of history. Technology has always increased and nothing is ever exactly the same so it's difficult to say what that will mean but I don't assume it's terrible.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Rahz]
#28272533 - 04/11/23 09:31 AM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Do you blame the Hollywood elite (such as Oprah and David Letterman) for constantly encouraging Trump to run for president? Oprah has just as big of an ego as Donald. Maybe larger? I laugh when my friends get angry that I refuse to pronounce Trump the biggest of all egos. Yeah, OK. The prerequisite for demonization is fantasy.
Trump = Putin = Hitler = Satan
I think your math equation is ridiculous, I do not blame hollywood, but I do blame Trump himself for being such a greedy disgusting genius and paying for talent to perform ignobly on his behalf over several decades of self aggrandization. those are the narrative facts, but the math so far is largely hidden.
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Credit to Spinvis for the post in spiritual quotes thread. This is what I was fumbling with.
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Lama Thubten Yeshe - Introduction to Tantra: The Transformation of Desire - 1. Basic Purity; "When we have developed our own inner purity, inner compassion, and inner love, we can then see the reflection of this purity and loving-kindness in others. But if we have not contacted these qualities within ourselves, we will see everyone as ugly and limited. For whatever we see every day in outer reality is actually nothing more than a projection of our own inner reality."
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: syncro]
#28273092 - 04/11/23 03:37 PM (9 months, 12 days ago) |
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thetruthsohelp
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RJ Tubs 202 said: To blame the current civil decay and rising mass hysteria on the 48 months of the Trump presidency is very shortsighted. I don't see much difference between the divisiveness the Obamas push and that of Republicans. Recall how George Zimmerman was described as a "white Hispanic". The Obamas are just as divisive and narcissistic many other politicians.
The Trump presidency was good for many reasons. It exposed a lot of hatred that so called "compassionate" people have hidden behind. This exposure is good. The charade is over. Notice how demonization has skyrocketed, as one political party calls the other a mindless brainwashed cult. In 2020, Biden voters claimed to be very happy to move past Trump, yet their furious anger has increased. Trump remains the cornerstone of the Democrat party.
The perspective America is full of racist white supremacists (who want to annihilate blacks) was popularized by Johnnie Cochran in 1995, when he repeatedly told us that racism is everywhere. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar now tells us white racism is everywhere in the US, even when we don't see it, white racial hatred is everywhere. Kareem refuses to admit racism in the black community has exploded - being fed by the victim extremists. The radical gender extremists are also pushing the victimhood narrative hard. In their story, the bad people are always the same. The evil brainwashed cult.
I don't believe hundreds of billions of dollars for mental health care would change much of anything. If we provide every single person with free meds and a free therapist, depression, despair, chronic rage, and mass drug and alcohol abuse will still be very common. Mental health needs to be cultivated and established early on in life. To try to rescue a miserable person later in life is putting a tiny bandage on a giant bleeding wound.
If education is a factor, it's our inability and unwillingness to address what causes human despair and misery. BTW, my son, in his first year of college, is being taught that white Americans kidnapped African blacks to be used as slaves. That we are so afraid to teach the truth is amazing. Some African leaders became rich by selling America slaves. If we are afraid to teach basic historical facts, we are screwed.
Fair play to this man, I think youre pretty spot on here actually.
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Re: Mass Hysteria/Psyhosis [Re: Kickle]
#28273307 - 04/11/23 05:52 PM (9 months, 12 days ago) |
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Kickle said: Yeshe... https://martincid.com/en/2022/10/osel-hbo-max-documentary-series/
I knew a lot of the old Lama Yeshe's student back in the day, good people generally. He wrote an essay in the 80's that I liked, something to do with anxiety and compassion in a nuclear age. I have quite a few Tibetan friends, all lovely people actually.
But I think the Lamaist system is terrible, telling a young kid he was someone in a past life and brainwashing them into this monastic system is just wrong. The Osel kid I think disrobed as I heard and spent some time chilling and taking drugs in Ibiza. Havent seen this documentary though, will give it a look-see.
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thetruthsohelp
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redgreenvines said: the ancients had less understanding of mind. we still have illusions about mind, health, and order in society. USA supports free screaming, not only free speech, and if you want, get a gun, but then what are you going to do. more screaming. be free. it's mixed up.
I disagree, I think the ancients had a good understanding of mind, possibly better than our current western psychoanalytical academics, with the exception of Carl Jung and a few others.
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