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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28273913 - 04/12/23 05:08 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

I at first had some doubt compared to the power of focus of the adult if pursued, but who knows about purity and the mystery. Sometimes a child can out of the blue touch depth that reveals my limitations. And that can help remind that we are as well children, in the good way, in potential to be open.


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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: syncro]
    #28275502 - 04/13/23 07:19 AM (9 months, 11 days ago)

Ok, so I wanted to explore the Officer's descent into hell in the Gone West series. I have no desire to indulge in violence and the implications, and the story does not do so in great detail but to give the jist of things. If entertaining that the story has truth to it, then included is value in knowing these things, not to make fearful, but understanding.

The Officer was a bad man on earth, murdering, thieving, abuse. I don't remember how he died, in the war or by other enemies I assume.

-SPOILERS-
Long story short, he descends into some of the lower levels of hell. He has tremendous will power, and becomes a conqueror of demons, as evil as any. In spite of his rapid rise to power, he lacked experience, and so was tricked and fell into what was said to be the lowest depth.

This is what I found interesting.

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“After an interminable age my downward course was stayed. I appeared to be
completely immersed in some spongy mass; it was neither firm ground nor water nor
even marsh. It was something which has no real counterpart on earth. It was the most
tangible form of darkness I met with in all Hell. Of course all the darkness of Hell is
tangible to spirits from even this plane.
“This spongy fog gradually stopped my downward passage, but I felt no firm ground
beneath my feet. The same spongy mass was above and below and around, as solid above
my head as below my feet. There was no sound, no sight, nothing, absolute nothingness,
solitude intolerable, black despair, misery unspeakable. I felt myself at last an utter
outcast; yes, indeed an outcast, cast forth alike from the society of men and devils. This
was the end of all my desperate striving against Fate.
“Oh, that ghastly silence! Utter, absolute solitude!”
He ceased.

“How can I convey to you the awful solitude of the lowest depth of Hell? No words of
mine can ever make you realize it. Nothing else could ever have broken my proud spirit
as that did. Absolutely abandoned, forsaken, alone! neither sight nor sound, not another
soul, alone, absolutely alone — with one’s own thoughts. They rose before me and gibed
and jeered all the evil that I had ever done.
“I did not repent then, I did not even feel remorse, but I felt a wild, hopeless despair.
These thoughts seemed to take form and shriek at me ‘You are damned. Look at us. We
are the things which you have begotten. What right have you for hope? All your life has
been given up to evil, till not even the most abandoned will associate with you. We
cannot forsake you; we would if we could.’
“Then again came darkness; it seemed almost like annihilation I opened my mouth to
scream, but no sound came out. The darkness seemed to flow in and stop it. Their mouths
shall be stopped with dust.
I seemed vaguely to remember the phrase, but where it came
from I did not care. Oh, that awful loneliness I would have done anything to get back
even to the whips of the evil spirits above, but it was not to be.
“Absolutely crushing silence. I cannot convey to you the awfulness of that solitude.
You may think that the pains of the divisions above were worse, but it was not so.




Now, there may be qualities to consider. I could be totally off. But this sounds like some levels of samadhi or meditative absorption that are blissful! His greatest dread seems to be, “that ghastly silence! Utter, absolute solitude!”, and the thoughts that he brought with him. But the utter silence, exclusive of everything, is a sublimity! And it has substance to it. Explain this thing to me.

I do understand that there is deep darkness that has dreadful quality. This is something other than just even what seems to be complete silence and solitude which he dreaded. So I can't go so far as to say that his hell is the same as bliss for a meditator, (can I?) but had to note the similarity.


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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: syncro]
    #28277175 - 04/14/23 10:15 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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syncro said:
Ok, so I wanted to explore the Officer's descent into hell in the Gone West series.

This is what I found interesting.

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The Officer in the lowest realm




Now, there may be qualities to consider. I could be totally off. But this sounds like some levels of samadhi or meditative absorption that are blissful! His greatest dread seems to be, “that ghastly silence! Utter, absolute solitude!”, and the thoughts that he brought with him. But the utter silence, exclusive of everything, is a sublimity! And it has substance to it. Explain this thing to me.

I do understand that there is deep darkness that has dreadful quality. This is something other than just even what seems to be complete silence and solitude which he dreaded.




Cool read. I do see similarity between meditative absorbtion and what the Officer percieves as a hellish fate.
I think it speaks to personal interpretation of any given situation and I can relate as there have been times in my life, where, the idea of having to be present somewhere in silence without distraction- internal or external- would make my skin crawl.
Whereas now, I participate in practices that often facilitate those same states :lol:

At the same time, it could be speaking to the fact that, if you don't properly get on top of all that shit in your life, then the realms beyond will be a lot less bearable, suggesting liberation from it through self growth and refinement.

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So I can't go so far as to say that his hell is the same as bliss for a meditator, (can I?)




Depends on whether you're willing to experience it as a hell to compare :stirthepot:


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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28277229 - 04/14/23 10:51 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

I know, shit! Well if that turns out I think I will know long before I get any where near it, if I happen to be wrong. But spirits do go down to help - one described early in the series was a giant power of light observed surfacing from it, considered I think one of the great messengers.

The system 'currency' is all about helping others. And that was how the Officer was tricked, being told that if he brought a number of souls down to his level he would gain somehow, but it meant his end. Others who want to level up can give help if there is opportunity.


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    #28285104 - 04/19/23 10:32 AM (9 months, 4 days ago)

I'm reading in Ghostland currently where folks are peering through some kind of telescope - this is the 19th century, and the writing is kind of involved, so I didn't catch what else psychically they are doing, and that involved with the instrument, but they are seeing gigantic elementaries traveling in the sky. They are anthropomorphic, some of which are described in other contexts as planetary. These I gather were moving for the welfare of something here, beings, in any case they are apparently benign, beautiful.

I was reminded of a time I unexpectedly shot up out of my body and was not slowing down going into space, and a goddess type deity, elementary(?), came to meet me, and with hardly a syllable from her, I was back in my body. I felt inconvenienced, but looking back it seemed a kind of protection.

The elementary reminded me of the Don Juan speak of inorganic beings. I suppose the term does also include, not as in the Castaneda reference, helpful beings, unless in the latter case, they are 'tackled' and brought to service as it were. In Gone West, there was association with a very high spirit from the fairy realm who was considered an elemental, who was close to and needing, or desiring, an earthly birth to more truly be able to serve human kind which he pitied, this seen by him as a necessary step in evolution.


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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: syncro]
    #28287663 - 04/21/23 06:09 AM (9 months, 3 days ago)

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I'm reading in Ghostland currently where folks are peering through some kind of telescope - this is the 19th century, and the writing is kind of involved, so I didn't catch what else psychically they are doing, and that involved with the instrument, but they are seeing gigantic elementaries traveling in the sky. They are anthropomorphic, some of which are described in other contexts as planetary. These I gather were moving for the welfare of something here, beings, in any case they are apparently benign, beautiful.





Sounds really cool, apart from the involved writing.
It's gotta feel good to read or I ain't gonna do it :lol:

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I was reminded of a time I unexpectedly shot up out of my body and was not slowing down going into space, and a goddess type deity, elementary(?), came to meet me, and with hardly a syllable from her, I was back in my body. I felt inconvenienced, but looking back it seemed a kind of protection.




Sick man!
There are aspects of elemental, planetary and related energies that really get my cogs turning when I'm on a trip.
Something about the chaos, the formlessness, the utter alien yet completely natural vibe of it.

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The elementary reminded me of the Don Juan speak of inorganic beings. I suppose the term does also include, not as in the Castaneda reference, helpful beings, unless in the latter case, they are 'tackled' and brought to service as it were. In Gone West, there was association with a very high spirit from the fairy realm who was considered an elemental, who was close to and needing, or desiring, an earthly birth to more truly be able to serve human kind which he pitied, this seen by him as a necessary step in evolution.




Never read the Don Juan or any Castaneda stuff, despite seeing it often referenced.
But I have read stuff that talk of that type of a being needing 're-educated' on what it is to be human, in order to better serve.
"Taking the curriculum." :awesomenod:

I had an experience last Autumn that felt akin to (what I imagine) contact with an 'elemental' could be interpreted as by a human.
Similarly to your experience (interestingly I've also had the sense of being blocked or protected from further out-of-body travel at other times in the past), the 'contact' was entirely non verbal and instead took form of, well here's how I explained it to my GF:

"Felt like non-consensual communication*, jumbled flashes of internal stock footage based around water & its power with a sort of emotional-frequency-scanning that felt like someone was rifling through a rolodex of 'my' memories & experiences.
The only sense 'I' mantained awareness of in this moment was that it felt posed to me as a question, I felt as if I was being compelled/prompted not only to understand but to reply.
"

Bearing in mind that this was several hours into a meditation session on nearly 6g of mushroom capsules.... :rolleyes:
*This asterix was to say, it was NOT non consensual communication- infact my intent that I reviewed the next day coupled with my actions & rituals in the week leading up to the trip made me roll my eyes since it was pretty much asking for it.

Thought you might get a kick out of it though.


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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: Lithop]
    #28292525 - 04/24/23 07:25 AM (9 months, 42 minutes ago)

Oh I didn't see you added to this. :crankey:

If not making a new post the thread doesn't show updated in index.


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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: syncro]
    #28292865 - 04/24/23 11:42 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

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Oh I didn't see you added to this. :crankey:

If not making a new post the thread doesn't show updated in index.




:lol: no sweat dude, I don't wanna double post all over the place (no offense to anyone who does double post.............. syncro :tongue2:)
I should have PM'd you and said I'd made the edit.


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    #28292878 - 04/24/23 11:57 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

No it's ok, I mean you're welcome to, also to tell me if I double post. :smile:

But I was going to say I had a similar experience last Fall, some from journal. Could be considered a dream.
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I'm not sure if these are in half sleep, but last night an entity asked me, "who are you?", and I said at first, "a yogi", and it said, "anything else?", and it went on and on, me going through experiences and practices, "anything else?", ... When I would give more worldly answers the interest seemed to fade, so I stayed with spiritual experience. It came down to finally trying to express what I was at the core, and not so much about what I thought were qualifications, or gone to the ultimate qualification of our identity.




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    #28294093 - 04/25/23 01:03 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

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No it's ok, I mean you're welcome to, also to tell me if I double post. :smile:




I would never double post
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syncro said:
But I was going to say I had a similar experience last Fall, some from journal. Could be considered a dream.
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I'm not sure if these are in half sleep, but last night an entity asked me, "who are you?", and I said at first, "a yogi", and it said, "anything else?", and it went on and on, me going through experiences and practices, "anything else?", ... When I would give more worldly answers the interest seemed to fade, so I stayed with spiritual experience. It came down to finally trying to express what I was at the core, and not so much about what I thought were qualifications, or gone to the ultimate qualification of our identity.







Awesome journal entry, I like when you wrote
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"trying to express what I was at the core, and not so much about what I thought were qualifications"


:awesomenod: This seems to come up a lot in these type of inner experience.

I think when it comes down to the origin of these experiences, what some mention about entity contact and so on, I'm much less concerned with their 'true' origins than I am with how usable/influencial any gleaned insight is on my waking/daily thoughts and actions.
Of course from time to time throughout life, more so as a kid or teen, I've went down the rabbit hole of trying to prove my 'experiences' or viewpoints on paranormal stuff but ultimately, to each their own :shrug:


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    #28294200 - 04/25/23 05:03 AM (8 months, 30 days ago)

Yeah, around the time beginning this thread, I was thinking we needed a mission, like the Blues Brothers, a mission from God, to collaborate and try to prove something or other. But their mission was to save an orphanage.

Reminds me, I think the experiences posted time to time, about knowing when someone passes before finding out in normal ways must show something. Someone posted one recently around here.

When my mom passed, I and family were at her bedside, and I still didn't know she passed, but trying to be still amidst the clamor afterward, looking up I thought there was a subtle difference in the light, which glowed as golden in a love and peace.


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    #28294897 - 04/25/23 02:46 PM (8 months, 29 days ago)

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Yeah, around the time beginning this thread, I was thinking we needed a mission, like the Blues Brothers, a mission from God, to collaborate and try to prove something or other. But their mission was to save an orphanage.



Whoah, whoah, WHOAH.
You're implying, that yourself and a ragtag band of shroomers & stoners COULDN'T save an orphanage?!
:razz:


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Reminds me, I think the experiences posted time to time, about knowing when someone passes before finding out in normal ways must show something. Someone posted one recently around here.




Yeah, I remember the thread you're talking about.:yesnod:
I reckon that extrasensory phenomenon is absolutely influenced by emotion as a primary factor. In that model, it makes sense for it to be enhanced the closer the bond you have with the other 'participant'.


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When my mom passed, I and family were at her bedside, and I still didn't know she passed, but trying to be still amidst the clamor afterward, looking up I thought there was a subtle difference in the light, which glowed as golden in a love and peace.




Beautiful, dude.
It's blessed that you were there with her.
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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: Lithop]
    #28295071 - 04/25/23 05:21 PM (8 months, 29 days ago)

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Yeah, around the time beginning this thread, I was thinking we needed a mission, like the Blues Brothers, a mission from God, to collaborate and try to prove something or other. But their mission was to save an orphanage.



Whoah, whoah, WHOAH.
You're implying, that yourself and a ragtag band of shroomers & stoners COULDN'T save an orphanage?!
:razz:




:grin: No, I'm implying we can't prove spiritual nature by consensus. Me of little faith. Also the orphanage was a tangible urgent thing. Didn't their head nun threaten them with damnation or eternal shame or something? :lol:

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Reminds me, I think the experiences posted time to time, about knowing when someone passes before finding out in normal ways must show something. Someone posted one recently around here.




Yeah, I remember the thread you're talking about.:yesnod:
I reckon that extrasensory phenomenon is absolutely influenced by emotion as a primary factor. In that model, it makes sense for it to be enhanced the closer the bond you have with the other 'participant'.




Just what I was thinking, also much to do with our conditions and external influences.


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    #28295705 - 04/26/23 05:12 AM (8 months, 29 days ago)

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:grin: No, I'm implying we can't prove spiritual nature by consensus. Me of little faith. Also the orphanage was a tangible urgent thing. Didn't their head nun threaten them with damnation or eternal shame or something? :lol:





Afirmitive dude:thumbup:
And I've.... I've never seen Blues Brothers:uhoh:

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Just what I was thinking, also much to do with our conditions and external influences.




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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28295779 - 04/26/23 06:48 AM (8 months, 29 days ago)

I was watching some of it last night, a comedy R&B musical with John Belushi and Dan Akroyd, 1980.


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    #28306068 - 05/04/23 08:27 AM (8 months, 20 days ago)

I'm looking forward to seeing my pets, if that happens to be. I had an Irish Setter, you know when you're like 8-10, nothing is more important than your dog. We had many dogs. And later in life, cats. I have a few cats I really want to see again.

And I imagine seeing close ones from school etc. that time and other circumstance separated. Seeing each other without the pains and such that separated, just the qualities of each other in full, the appeal and the joy, reconciliations.

The body gave us these interactions, if we didn't know each other from before, but the body now limits them so. Without the gross body there is so much joy to complete.

Just saying, if that happens to be.

There is so much about knocking the body in the spiritual perspective, from Rama's discourse on dispassion to the esoteric meaning of the body being the cross on which the spiritual awareness dies, on and on. At the same time it is said there can be no greater spiritual gift or opportunity. I suppose it could be seen like the "I", in Ramana speak, the hinge on which ignorance and enlightenment hangs, depending on its use.


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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: syncro]
    #28308650 - 05/06/23 06:05 AM (8 months, 19 days ago)

The principle of bhuta shuddhi in the yogas means in essence self-purification. Some translations imply purification of the elements but better said to me is purification of the bodies using the elements. (Clarifying, the bodies are made of elements. duh me) Methods seem to differ around it. There is use of seed mantras to affect the subtle bodies, representing air to dry the pranic or astral body, and fire to burn the causal or mental body. Also implied in the use is ridding of parasitic or other undesirable influences in or around the system.

I found interesting the commonality in the books on the afterlife. For example, to move from the astral to the spirit plane one must be rid of the astral body. When helpful fellows in the spirit plane want to come to the astral and be recognized at least, they must recreate an astral body. In the yogas, purifying or destroying the mental body with the element of fire speaks to the "wall of fire", the border to a unification beyond in the spirit realm.

I think again of the fire sermon, "All things, monks, are burning, burning with the fire of greed, ..."

It's a different use of fire, but could it connote the same? As above, so below, the principles at work.


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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: syncro]
    #28339256 - 05/29/23 10:15 AM (7 months, 26 days ago)

From the book, Astral City.

"I suppose then, I remarked, that the Lower Zone must be in close connection with the incarnate plane even a kind of continuation of it?
So it is, he agreed, and you will see there the net of invisible wires connecting it to human minds. It is peopled with disincarnated entities and the thought forms of those still on Earth. Every spirit, wherever it may be, is a nucleus of radiating forces which can create, transform or destroy, manifesting as vibrations that Earth science cannot yet understand. Thus, whoever is thinking is emitting positive or negative forces, and is, consequently, constructing or destroying something somewhere. It is by means of those mental currents that men establish connection with entities in the Lower Zone whose tendencies are in accordance with their own, because every soul is a powerful magnet. You see, then, that an invisible army is at work behind the (in)visible one." I assume that a typo, one of them meaning visible. There are some typos in the pdf.

So, directing thoughts where possible is creating proactively, thus the value of prayer or mantra, affirmation, ..., or beyond, being, witness, which is purity.


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Re: The Land of After Death [Re: syncro]
    #28340692 - 05/30/23 02:00 PM (7 months, 25 days ago)

I don't know whrere you all are going...  But it seems you are being drawn into my body!!:awesomenod:


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    #28341020 - 05/30/23 07:31 PM (7 months, 25 days ago)

You need to see about the Astral City over Brazil. At least in the 40s they still need external sustenance and shelter in the astral plane, I mean, really? What's the point of dying? The one in Gone West which is over Europe, or Britain I guess, there's no need to eat food, etc. Perhaps it is a higher level than Astral City, but the latter has high teachers and such there which is worrisome. Still need to fall in line.


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