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Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency
    #28263935 - 04/05/23 05:38 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

And maybe federal office?

Just, completely reset to zero. Everything you own, all of your assets/recently owned assets get donated to the government. Money to the treasury, stock to the...SEC, property goes to the park service or whatever.

You have to give it all up.

But, your get to have presidential salary for the rest of your life, along with the SS guards.

And to avoid loopholes, make it illegal to profit from any assets established prior to the end day of your presidency/office.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Kryptos] * 3
    #28263941 - 04/05/23 05:46 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

So, you're suggesting that we take one of the most difficult jobs on the planet and make it even less attractive to qualified applicants.  Great plan.  Why not just add execution by firing squad upon termination?


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Kryptos]
    #28264026 - 04/05/23 07:03 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

It would make bribery way more appealing and effective for those in power.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: nooneman]
    #28264070 - 04/05/23 07:23 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

Would it? Bribery already seems pretty effective - perhaps the type of person willing to renounce all their property is also the type of person less likely to be swayed by bribes. :strokebeard2:


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28264118 - 04/05/23 07:48 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

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So, you're suggesting that we take one of the most difficult jobs on the planet and make it even less attractive to qualified applicants.  Great plan.  Why not just add execution by firing squad upon termination?




hahah you dont read much do you? its not possible to make the posiiton of world leader less attractive. POTUS controls the world.

hahahahahahahahaaha but yeah lets just give them even more power cause you like being dominated. wtf my friend.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: 1c3m4n]
    #28264129 - 04/05/23 07:56 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

The reason we have so many shitty presidents is because those who are qualified to run the country don't want the job.  It pays shit.  Anything you do is subjected to endless criticism.  You lose all privacy for the rest of your life.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28264221 - 04/05/23 08:52 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

You should remember that our purpose in framing the State was not that our citizens should do what they like, but that they should serve the State for the common good of all. May we not fairly say to our philosopher, — Friend, we do you no wrong; for in other States philosophy grows wild, and a wild plant owes nothing to the gardener, but you have been trained by us to be the rulers and kings of our hive, and therefore we must insist on your descending into the den. You must, each of you, take your turn, and become able to use your eyes in the dark, and with a little practice you will see far better than those who quarrel about the shadows, whose knowledge is a dream only, whilst yours is a waking reality.

It may be that the saint or philosopher who is best fitted, may also be the least inclined to rule, but necessity is laid upon him, and he must no longer live in the heaven of ideas. And this will be the salvation of the State. For those who rule must not be those who are desirous to rule; and, if you can offer to our citizens a better life than that of rulers generally is, there will be a chance that the rich, not only in this world’s goods, but in virtue and wisdom, may bear rule. And the only life which is better than the life of political ambition is that of philosophy, which is also the best preparation for the government of a State.

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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28264252 - 04/05/23 09:06 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

relevance?


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28264271 - 04/05/23 09:19 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

Reaffirming your statement that "those who are qualified to run the country don't want the job"; and adding the suggestion that "shit pay" isn't a major contribution to this millenia-old dilemma.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Kryptos]
    #28264372 - 04/05/23 10:05 PM (9 months, 17 days ago)

I think that kind of policy would gradually evolve into a sort of ruling class which uses the removal of property as political leverage against opposition, where those in power simply enrich themselves through the state instead. And it doesn't truly address corruption generally, and would discourage candidates who might be otherwise qualified from taking part against the ruling parties whatsoever out of fear of complete property loss for being a player. That also gradually means that those with property are always in step with the ruling class as a prerequisite to retaining it.

I think having stronger public disclosure requirements would be a better approach. But we more or less have reasonable public disclosure laws in place already and people still elect people with financial conflicts of interest which are practically public knowledge. It's a difficult problem to tackle.

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Why not just add execution by firing squad upon termination?



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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Kryptos]
    #28264416 - 04/05/23 10:55 PM (9 months, 17 days ago)

Why only the POTUS and not all state and federal officials?

The idea seems fascist and authoritarian. 

Or, like the word "racist", have these words been so corrupted and bastardized that they now have zero meaning?

Anyone and anything my neighbor dislikes he calls fascist  :facepalm3:


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28264482 - 04/05/23 11:57 PM (9 months, 17 days ago)

Wouldn't your post kind of be an example of corrupting and bastardizing the meaning of the word fascist though, in that it's not truly a fascist policy by any historical metric or part of any fascist political philosophy?


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28264486 - 04/05/23 11:59 PM (9 months, 17 days ago)

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Reaffirming your statement that "those who are qualified to run the country don't want the job"; and adding the suggestion that "shit pay" isn't a major contribution to this millenia-old dilemma.



There's no way around the fact that whomever becomes President will be someone who wants the job.  As clever as Plato was, we can't get around that issue.

There are people, however, who have real skills and talent to be able to lead people, manage very large budgets, represent the interests of others, etc.  Those people make a lot of money.  Some are likely to even be moral people.  These would certainly be the best candidates for the job of President, but it would take a rare person to agree to do that for the pay and working conditions that come with the job.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: PatrickKn]
    #28264488 - 04/06/23 12:02 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

Forcing an elected official to give up everything they own (to be donated the government) doesn't qualify as authoritarian?


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28264491 - 04/06/23 12:04 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

I didn't comment on the word authoritarian. I just noticed you kind of went full circle with lamenting about how people use hot words in ways which reduce their meaning in a post where you more or less did that yourself.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: PatrickKn]
    #28264498 - 04/06/23 12:12 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

Synonyms for "fascist" = "authoritarian", "totalitarian", "autocrat", "dictatorship"

Communication often includes nuance.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28264511 - 04/06/23 12:52 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

yeah...and the nuance here is that fascism is an authoritarian system, but not every authoritarian system is fascist.  There's nothing fascist about the suggestion of the OP.  It's actually more akin to communist which is pretty fucking far from fascist.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28264537 - 04/06/23 02:09 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

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Why only the POTUS and not all state and federal officials?

The idea seems fascist and authoritarian. 

Or, like the word "racist", have these words been so corrupted and bastardized that they now have zero meaning?

Anyone and anything my neighbor dislikes he calls fascist  :facepalm3:




How is it fascist? Talk about abusing the meaning of the word.

If you work for the government, there are plenty of rules that limit your financial freedom. If you work managerial roles for the department of transportation, you cannot own stock in transportation related companies. No banking or financial related stocks for treasury employees. Financial conflicts of interest are forbidden for employees, why shouldn’t they be forbidden for elected officials?


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: koods]
    #28264657 - 04/06/23 06:13 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

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Why only the POTUS and not all state and federal officials?

The idea seems fascist and authoritarian. 

Or, like the word "racist", have these words been so corrupted and bastardized that now have zero meaning?

Anyone and anything my neighbor dislikes he calls fascist  :facepalm3:



Giving up your wealth voluntarily so that you may serve doesn't seem very fascist to me. No one made said person run for an office.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28264689 - 04/06/23 06:44 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

He doesn’t know what a fascist is


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28264767 - 04/06/23 07:52 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

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So, you're suggesting that we take one of the most difficult jobs on the planet and make it even less attractive to qualified applicants.  Great plan.  Why not just add execution by firing squad upon termination?




Exactly one kind of person runs for president:

The kind of person who needs little kids to read their name in history books two hundred years later.

Obama, Biden, bush, Clinton, they were all just as vain and attention-seeking as trump. They just have some class.

This would add an additional hurdle for those seeking power--a self imposed limitation on their ability to seek recognition in other ways. No more "wealthy" businessmen becoming presidents to pad their pockets, because they would lose their businesses.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Kryptos]
    #28264792 - 04/06/23 08:10 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

Being president is an investment. After being president people will pay hundreds of thousands of not millions to hear you talk, thousands just to have you come to their events. Even if you gave up your businesses to become the president you've got crazy equity just in your brand.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28264806 - 04/06/23 08:20 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

Correct.

But to get that equity, you have to sacrifice everything you own, plus 4-8 years of your life.

And you'd get a presidential salary. Not sure if former presidents still get those.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28265007 - 04/06/23 10:19 AM (9 months, 17 days ago)

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Synonyms for "fascist" = "authoritarian", "totalitarian", "autocrat", "dictatorship"

Communication often includes nuance.




Nuance like authoritarian means right wing and totalitarian means left wing. George Orwell wasn't writing 1984 and Animal Farm about fascist or authoritarians.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Kryptos]
    #28267348 - 04/07/23 06:08 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Give up yo modern equivalents of the peanut farm Mr President!

But maybe don't hand control off to your kids!! That's not independent or uninvolved.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28268162 - 04/08/23 06:06 AM (9 months, 15 days ago)

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So, you're suggesting that we take one of the most difficult jobs on the planet and make it even less attractive to qualified applicants.  Great plan.  Why not just add execution by firing squad upon termination?




We should give every federal legislator a child slave as to entice the best candidates.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28268520 - 04/08/23 11:05 AM (9 months, 15 days ago)

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Reaffirming your statement that "those who are qualified to run the country don't want the job"; and adding the suggestion that "shit pay" isn't a major contribution to this millenia-old dilemma.



There's no way around the fact that whomever becomes President will be someone who wants the job.  As clever as Plato was, we can't get around that issue.

There are people, however, who have real skills and talent to be able to lead people, manage very large budgets, represent the interests of others, etc.  Those people make a lot of money.  Some are likely to even be moral people.  These would certainly be the best candidates for the job of President, but it would take a rare person to agree to do that for the pay and working conditions that come with the job.




Outside of budget management, I have to question how much these listed skills and talents correlate with high earnings. I also think that leadership and representation are much more important traits than budget management, when considering the role of president - that's what advisors are for.

I also consider using 'personal wealth' as the main attractant is more likely to draw in greedy selfish individuals, than anything else. Although Plato may not have reached a viable solution, either, I still think his suggestion that offering more than the common riches of rulership - in his case, a life conducive to philosophy  - is how you make it more likely that "the rich, not only in this world’s goods, but in virtue and wisdom, may bear rule."

I don't see how just upping the ante of material wealth will eventually bring us to a tipping point where we attract moral, rather than selfish, rulers. If that were true, CEOs would be correlated with altruism rather than psychopathy.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28268530 - 04/08/23 11:22 AM (9 months, 15 days ago)

CEOs are correlated with serving the interests of others. Isn't that what we want in a president?


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    #28268535 - 04/08/23 11:25 AM (9 months, 15 days ago)

They serve a very specific other (shareholders), in a very specific interest (financial profit), to the point of irrationality (destroying long-term profitability for short-term gains / destroying the environmental capabilities of the planet).

No, I don't believe that's the type of leadership we should desire.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28268537 - 04/08/23 11:26 AM (9 months, 15 days ago)

I can see the skill overlap in managing organizations, but I'm not sure the government should always be run like a buisness.


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    #28269155 - 04/08/23 08:12 PM (9 months, 15 days ago)

Service to others is not the ideal form of government anyway.


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    #28269386 - 04/08/23 10:23 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28269627 - 04/09/23 07:26 AM (9 months, 14 days ago)

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Being president is an investment. After being president people will pay hundreds of thousands of not millions to hear you talk, thousands just to have you come to their events. Even if you gave up your businesses to become the president you've got crazy equity just in your brand.




Hate to break this to you, but nobody actually pays millions of dollars to hear Obama talk. They give him millions of dollars to say thanks for governing according to their will.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28270215 - 04/09/23 05:22 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

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So, you're suggesting that we take one of the most difficult jobs on the planet and make it even less attractive to qualified applicants.  Great plan.  Why not just add execution by firing squad upon termination?




We should give every federal legislator a child slave as to entice the best candidates.



Anyone who would want a child slave would be a terrible candidate.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28270227 - 04/09/23 05:30 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

You should look at whose pushing bills to allow 14 year olds to work in dangerous jobs at minimum wage, just sayin, you'll find that list of names.


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    #28270231 - 04/09/23 05:31 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

Sounds made up.


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    #28270233 - 04/09/23 05:33 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

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Being president is an investment. After being president people will pay hundreds of thousands of not millions to hear you talk, thousands just to have you come to their events. Even if you gave up your businesses to become the president you've got crazy equity just in your brand.




Hate to break this to you, but nobody actually pays millions of dollars to hear Obama talk. They give him millions of dollars to say thanks for governing according to their will.




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Notably, Obama’s purse was nearly triple the amount Hillary Clinton was paid for her notorious speeches to Goldman Sachs that revealed her and the Democratic Party as Wall Street stooges. Former President Bill Clinton was paid just $200,000 per speech when he toured Latin America in 2005.

A key factor in Obama’s newfound and growing wealth are those who profited from his presidency. A number of his public speeches have been given to big Wall Street firms and investors. Obama has given at least nine speeches to Cantor Fitzgerald, a large investment and commercial real estate firm, and other high-end corporations. According to records, each speech has been at least $400,000 a clip.

Obama’s lucrative post-White House career hobnobbing with the corporate, entertainment and financial elite epitomizes the revolving door relationship between the US government and the private sector. Obama’s rewards are simply retroactive bribery for services rendered to the capitalist elite, who have welcomed him with open arms.

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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28270241 - 04/09/23 05:39 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

Is pretty ham to see ontop of trying to ban pregnant youth from interstate travel and the general removal of women's rights.

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Last week, state legislators in Arkansas passed a bill that would eliminate a requirement for kids under the age of 16 to obtain a permit in order to work. Currently, companies in Arkansas that want to employ 14-year-olds and 15-year-olds are required to obtain a permit showing proof of age, have written permission from a parent or guardian, and provide a description of the work and the work schedule. The bill, “The Youth Hiring Act of 2023,” would weaken the state’s oversight of child labor laws by eliminating the need for a permit altogether. 

Other Republican-led states are currently considering legislation to change child labor laws too, including Iowa and Ohio. Iowa’s bill would allow minors as young as 15 to serve alcohol and allow 14-year-olds to work in industrial freezers and meat coolers. Ohio’s bill would allow minors to work year-round until 9 p.m.

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    #28270269 - 04/09/23 06:05 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

That doesn't really support your claim.


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    #28270273 - 04/09/23 06:07 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

Child wage slaves ain't much better.


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    #28270275 - 04/09/23 06:09 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

There's no such thing as a "wage slave."  That's just empty rhetoric.


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    #28270320 - 04/09/23 06:43 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

While it's fair to say the term 'wage slave' isn't accurate because workers aren't literally slaves and they have the ability to leave their jobs. It's also fair to say that it is important to recognise that some workers are trapped in low paying exploitative jobs due to a lack of opportunities and systemic inequalities.

Child labor laws exist to protect children from exploitation and abuse in the workplace, as they are particularly vulnerable to harm. Any attempt to weaken these laws could put children at risk of exploitation and harm in the workforce. This is why it is crucial that we prioritise the safety and well being of all workers, including children, and advocate for strong and effective child labor laws that protect them from harm and ensure access to safe and age appropriate working conditions.

Recognising and drawing attention to the exploitation of workers is essential because it raises awareness about the ways in which workers may be mistreated and subjected to unfair working conditions. This can help to drive change and advocate for policies and practices that support fair wages, benefits, and working conditions for all workers. By shining a light on the issue of worker exploitation, we can work towards creating a more equitable and just society that prioritizes the well-being and dignity of all workers.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28270346 - 04/09/23 07:13 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

Me and my sister were used for child labor stamping out metal pieces for golf bag caddies in our garage.

My pops paid us $5/hr and I ran that clock up buddy!

Much to my embarrassment it was determined my little sister was more productive. :facepalm3:


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: mycosis]
    #28270412 - 04/09/23 08:39 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

I'm sorry to hear that you and your sister were used for child labor in your garage,

Well regulated child labor laws shouldnt be wound back to put children as young as 14 in the way of work place risks and hazards in places like meatworks.

I watched my grandad fillet a large barracuda like fish when I was a child. He showed me carpentry stuff too. I did the odd jobs and got some allowance.

But with my grandad I wasn't being put in the midst of working in the real world and actually facing the risks and dangers involved.

Some jobs aren't meant for 14 year olds!

There's always going to be the case of a competent 14 year old than can do the job, but that's not going to be every 14 year old out there and in a lot of cases like meatworks, the risks are going to be higher for younger and less experienced people. 


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28270501 - 04/09/23 09:58 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

You're reading much more into it than is there.  No one is talking about forcing kids to work.  All the bill does is make it so that parents can decide without the government getting involved and issuing a permit. 

You rail against the government for considering passing such a law, but you want that same government in control of issuing permits?


This should be up to the parents.


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    #28270538 - 04/09/23 10:57 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

You aren't reading into my comments well enough, I am not talking about forcing kids to work, I am talking about exploiting vulnerable people with any attempt to weaken child labor laws.

To add to that some parents want to marry off their children below the age of 18.

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The Wyoming Republican Party is seeking to kill a bill working its way through the state Legislature proposing to raise the state's legal marriage age to 16, arguing that putting "arbitrary" limits on child marriage interferes with parental rights and religious liberty.

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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28270758 - 04/10/23 06:47 AM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Marriage is legal at 16 in most of the U.S.  What are you talking about?


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    #28270769 - 04/10/23 07:03 AM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Yeah, dudes in the mid 30s marrying girls age 10-16 is pretty normal in the more biblical areas.


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    #28270784 - 04/10/23 07:26 AM (9 months, 13 days ago)

I lived in a town just over the border from Utah.  Place had more churches per capita than any I've seen.  I joked with my wife that they must be trying to crowd the Mormons out of the market.  The was no Mormon temple that I know of.


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    #28271331 - 04/10/23 04:12 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Marriage is legal at 16 in most of the U.S.  What are you talking about?




Children under 18 should require parental consent for marriage at a minimum, and children under 16 shouldn't be married off.

You know what the problem is and you said it yourself.

The idea is to make a requirement of parental consent and permission to allow  their children under 18 to marry, and to not let children under the age of 16 to get married.


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Yeah, dudes in the mid 30s marrying girls age 10-16 is pretty normal in the more biblical areas.




That would be seen as criminal in Australia.


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    #28271340 - 04/10/23 04:23 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Yeah, well, Australia clearly hates both freedom and God. If God, who created marriage, says it is okay for a 36 year old man to consummate his marriage to his 12 year old child-spouse, then who are we to judge the word of God?


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    #28271341 - 04/10/23 04:23 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Jerry Lee Lewis' 13 year old wife said she was the adult in the relationship. :lol:


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    #28271377 - 04/10/23 04:56 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Being president is an investment. After being president people will pay hundreds of thousands of not millions to hear you talk, thousands just to have you come to their events. Even if you gave up your businesses to become the president you've got crazy equity just in your brand.




Hate to break this to you, but nobody actually pays millions of dollars to hear Obama talk. They give him millions of dollars to say thanks for governing according to their will.




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Notably, Obama’s purse was nearly triple the amount Hillary Clinton was paid for her notorious speeches to Goldman Sachs that revealed her and the Democratic Party as Wall Street stooges. Former President Bill Clinton was paid just $200,000 per speech when he toured Latin America in 2005.

A key factor in Obama’s newfound and growing wealth are those who profited from his presidency. A number of his public speeches have been given to big Wall Street firms and investors. Obama has given at least nine speeches to Cantor Fitzgerald, a large investment and commercial real estate firm, and other high-end corporations. According to records, each speech has been at least $400,000 a clip.

Obama’s lucrative post-White House career hobnobbing with the corporate, entertainment and financial elite epitomizes the revolving door relationship between the US government and the private sector. Obama’s rewards are simply retroactive bribery for services rendered to the capitalist elite, who have welcomed him with open arms.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/06/20/obam-j20.html







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    #28271414 - 04/10/23 05:10 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

He sure did make a lot from the books, but he also made millions from the revolving swamp door he espoused to close.


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    #28271493 - 04/10/23 05:51 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Personally, I'd be less concerned with the activities of former presidents that have done their two terms. Not like they're gonna work in government again.


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    #28271518 - 04/10/23 06:01 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

My problem is with the system that enables the rotating door between politicians and lobbyists to continue.

He did the job of currying favours and now he's getting paid for it.

The background context of why Obama was paid such large sums and by whom is the attention grabbing part.

I don't care what he puts on his toast, but I do care when he uses his position of power for personal benefit with backroom deals to lobbyists that pay him out at the end of his term after he's served them.


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    #28271947 - 04/10/23 09:23 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

None of which you can prove, and all of which is likely just made up.


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    #28272042 - 04/10/23 10:11 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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Hate to break this to you, but nobody actually pays millions of dollars to hear Obama talk. They give him millions of dollars to say thanks for governing according to their will.




Yeah it's all puppies and rainbows mate, pure of heart our pollies are. :thumbup:

Nothing's happening, keep your eyes closed :rolleyes:


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