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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28270273 - 04/09/23 06:07 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

Child wage slaves ain't much better.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28270275 - 04/09/23 06:09 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

There's no such thing as a "wage slave."  That's just empty rhetoric.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28270320 - 04/09/23 06:43 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

While it's fair to say the term 'wage slave' isn't accurate because workers aren't literally slaves and they have the ability to leave their jobs. It's also fair to say that it is important to recognise that some workers are trapped in low paying exploitative jobs due to a lack of opportunities and systemic inequalities.

Child labor laws exist to protect children from exploitation and abuse in the workplace, as they are particularly vulnerable to harm. Any attempt to weaken these laws could put children at risk of exploitation and harm in the workforce. This is why it is crucial that we prioritise the safety and well being of all workers, including children, and advocate for strong and effective child labor laws that protect them from harm and ensure access to safe and age appropriate working conditions.

Recognising and drawing attention to the exploitation of workers is essential because it raises awareness about the ways in which workers may be mistreated and subjected to unfair working conditions. This can help to drive change and advocate for policies and practices that support fair wages, benefits, and working conditions for all workers. By shining a light on the issue of worker exploitation, we can work towards creating a more equitable and just society that prioritizes the well-being and dignity of all workers.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28270346 - 04/09/23 07:13 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

Me and my sister were used for child labor stamping out metal pieces for golf bag caddies in our garage.

My pops paid us $5/hr and I ran that clock up buddy!

Much to my embarrassment it was determined my little sister was more productive. :facepalm3:


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: mycosis]
    #28270412 - 04/09/23 08:39 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

I'm sorry to hear that you and your sister were used for child labor in your garage,

Well regulated child labor laws shouldnt be wound back to put children as young as 14 in the way of work place risks and hazards in places like meatworks.

I watched my grandad fillet a large barracuda like fish when I was a child. He showed me carpentry stuff too. I did the odd jobs and got some allowance.

But with my grandad I wasn't being put in the midst of working in the real world and actually facing the risks and dangers involved.

Some jobs aren't meant for 14 year olds!

There's always going to be the case of a competent 14 year old than can do the job, but that's not going to be every 14 year old out there and in a lot of cases like meatworks, the risks are going to be higher for younger and less experienced people. 


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28270501 - 04/09/23 09:58 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

You're reading much more into it than is there.  No one is talking about forcing kids to work.  All the bill does is make it so that parents can decide without the government getting involved and issuing a permit. 

You rail against the government for considering passing such a law, but you want that same government in control of issuing permits?


This should be up to the parents.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28270538 - 04/09/23 10:57 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

You aren't reading into my comments well enough, I am not talking about forcing kids to work, I am talking about exploiting vulnerable people with any attempt to weaken child labor laws.

To add to that some parents want to marry off their children below the age of 18.

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The Wyoming Republican Party is seeking to kill a bill working its way through the state Legislature proposing to raise the state's legal marriage age to 16, arguing that putting "arbitrary" limits on child marriage interferes with parental rights and religious liberty.

https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501




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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28270758 - 04/10/23 06:47 AM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Marriage is legal at 16 in most of the U.S.  What are you talking about?


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28270769 - 04/10/23 07:03 AM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Yeah, dudes in the mid 30s marrying girls age 10-16 is pretty normal in the more biblical areas.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Kryptos]
    #28270784 - 04/10/23 07:26 AM (9 months, 13 days ago)

I lived in a town just over the border from Utah.  Place had more churches per capita than any I've seen.  I joked with my wife that they must be trying to crowd the Mormons out of the market.  The was no Mormon temple that I know of.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Enlil]
    #28271331 - 04/10/23 04:12 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Marriage is legal at 16 in most of the U.S.  What are you talking about?




Children under 18 should require parental consent for marriage at a minimum, and children under 16 shouldn't be married off.

You know what the problem is and you said it yourself.

The idea is to make a requirement of parental consent and permission to allow  their children under 18 to marry, and to not let children under the age of 16 to get married.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Kryptos]
    #28271335 - 04/10/23 04:13 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Yeah, dudes in the mid 30s marrying girls age 10-16 is pretty normal in the more biblical areas.




That would be seen as criminal in Australia.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28271340 - 04/10/23 04:23 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Yeah, well, Australia clearly hates both freedom and God. If God, who created marriage, says it is okay for a 36 year old man to consummate his marriage to his 12 year old child-spouse, then who are we to judge the word of God?


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28271341 - 04/10/23 04:23 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Jerry Lee Lewis' 13 year old wife said she was the adult in the relationship. :lol:


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28271377 - 04/10/23 04:56 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

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Being president is an investment. After being president people will pay hundreds of thousands of not millions to hear you talk, thousands just to have you come to their events. Even if you gave up your businesses to become the president you've got crazy equity just in your brand.




Hate to break this to you, but nobody actually pays millions of dollars to hear Obama talk. They give him millions of dollars to say thanks for governing according to their will.




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Notably, Obama’s purse was nearly triple the amount Hillary Clinton was paid for her notorious speeches to Goldman Sachs that revealed her and the Democratic Party as Wall Street stooges. Former President Bill Clinton was paid just $200,000 per speech when he toured Latin America in 2005.

A key factor in Obama’s newfound and growing wealth are those who profited from his presidency. A number of his public speeches have been given to big Wall Street firms and investors. Obama has given at least nine speeches to Cantor Fitzgerald, a large investment and commercial real estate firm, and other high-end corporations. According to records, each speech has been at least $400,000 a clip.

Obama’s lucrative post-White House career hobnobbing with the corporate, entertainment and financial elite epitomizes the revolving door relationship between the US government and the private sector. Obama’s rewards are simply retroactive bribery for services rendered to the capitalist elite, who have welcomed him with open arms.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/06/20/obam-j20.html







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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: koods]
    #28271414 - 04/10/23 05:10 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

He sure did make a lot from the books, but he also made millions from the revolving swamp door he espoused to close.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28271493 - 04/10/23 05:51 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Personally, I'd be less concerned with the activities of former presidents that have done their two terms. Not like they're gonna work in government again.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Kryptos]
    #28271518 - 04/10/23 06:01 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

My problem is with the system that enables the rotating door between politicians and lobbyists to continue.

He did the job of currying favours and now he's getting paid for it.

The background context of why Obama was paid such large sums and by whom is the attention grabbing part.

I don't care what he puts on his toast, but I do care when he uses his position of power for personal benefit with backroom deals to lobbyists that pay him out at the end of his term after he's served them.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: sudly]
    #28271947 - 04/10/23 09:23 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

None of which you can prove, and all of which is likely just made up.


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Re: Make renouncing all property a condition of the presidency [Re: Kryptos]
    #28272042 - 04/10/23 10:11 PM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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Hate to break this to you, but nobody actually pays millions of dollars to hear Obama talk. They give him millions of dollars to say thanks for governing according to their will.




Yeah it's all puppies and rainbows mate, pure of heart our pollies are. :thumbup:

Nothing's happening, keep your eyes closed :rolleyes:


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