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Prayer is good for you. I know the physics perfectly well. If ones not positive they can't manifest shit. I keep trying to get my hands on the art of dreaming but that bitch so elusive. Butches feel humbled coming close to death. Some of us have come closer and more times than you'd know that's not god saving your ass. Now they saying deja vu is just some chemical reaction. You never had any memory of the events happening already it was just a feeling. I can't remember any deja vu where I could have said what was going to happen next in it. It was still final destination though.
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I don't pray (I meditate) but I see value in prayer. It's like having a gratitude practice (giving thanks) and acknowledging one's intentions about how they want to live their life. What is important. It is so easy to get so wrapped up in stuff we forget what is actually important to us.
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I accept the religious symbology that is already in me the same as I accept my experience of architecture, art, and science illustration.
Impressions of these visual objects, materials, people, feelings, and spaces become mental contents that I would expect could arise during waking dreams and hallucination intact or as parts of what is experienced.
It does not trouble me that I cannot be free of impressions that have become part of my mind through years of experience.
What I don't like about religion is the control it assumes and the amount of supervised superstition it drenches its adherents with. At its best it is a kind of synchronized swimming without getting wet. Great for weddings and funerals. At worst it is a Kafkaesque social nightmare.
In general, a humble and honest approach to the unknown is valuable to cultivate, rather than simply panic or experience fight & flight impulses at every point of confusion. Religion and prayer might help keep people calm and I cannot argue with the value of that. Learning to pray for one's family and friends is the essence of loving kindness practice.
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Carlos Castaneda? pdf - The Art of Dreaming
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Re: I reject religion [Re: Kickle]
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redgreenvines said: I am attracted to freedom from interference and offense, I am attracted to peace, I am attracted to beauty, I am attracted to wisdom and Honesty.
I also have physical needs and am attracted to meet those with dignity.
I am not attracted to people, systems, creeds or political leaders who would attempt to manipulate and deflect me from what I am attracted to.
The postulate of free will at one point in our history was introduced to motivate people to political and religious enslavement via the practice of differentiating people from animals, who do not have free will.
People are still animals, animals that can be duped and enslaved by ideas.
Religions, cults, political movements dispense enslaving ideas, and set husband against wife, son against father, brother against sister.
Religion that does not serve to reconnect people is poison. So take free will and shove it up your candlesticks.
I don't believe you really honestly mean these things above. I believe that you want something without paying the/it's price, I believe that when you decided on something that you do not cut off all other options (which is what a true decision requires), I believe that you want the benefits of a relationship without the commitment and sacrifice that is required.
I also disagree with you that people are animals and while I believe that we have free will, I do agree it's not completely free. But as limited as our free will may be, I don't believe humans and animals can be clumped in the same class when it comes to conscious and free will.
As for religion, it is said by some to be mans attempt to get themself right with the gods and in their good books. Like the person who does their good deed for the day and goes to church once a year. Like the ones that don't eat meat (or is it fish?) on good Friday, thinking that doing so and the previously mentioned types of activities will get them into heaven and make everything right with god, nothing could be further from the truth.
So on you last few points about religion I agree, it's not good. But that's the difference with religion and true christianity , a true believer and follower of God does not do "Religion" to be right with God. The Bible say's that there is only one way, and it's not by doing or being Religious. I think that you are confusing man made religion with the word of God.
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burntkitty said: I reject religion
And in doing so you have done the right thing, and by the right thing, I mean that you have made a choice. Now you can live your life confidently knowing that if you are ever in a fox-hole that you won't call on god for help, and that when you die, you have no need to worry of standing before god ether. Just one thing though, you must as a intelligent person accept that if you are wrong, then you will have to stand before the God of the Bible, but don't worry about that ever happening, because you are right, it's all a big fairy tale joke .
That's just like your opinion man, if god would send me to hell, I'd never ask the cunt for a cent.
Actually it's not my opinion, it's a fact.
Regardless of what the parameters are, when one is faced with a yes or no (red or black, truth or false, life or death) choice and the choice they make is wrong, then that mean that the other choice was right.
By the way, who said he's sending you to hell? Knowing you'll point to the bible in your reply, I would then like to share that the Bible doesn't say that God is sending you sudly to hell, what it does say is, that if you reject the truth of God (therefore accepting the Lie instead as your truth), then it's by your own choice that you will end up there.
So again I say, regardless of what the parameters are, when one is faced with a yes or no (red or black, truth or false, life or death) choice, and the choice they make is wrong, then that mean that the other choice is right/true.
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Re: I reject religion [Re: blessed]
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What exactly is the 'Truth of God'...
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Re: I reject religion [Re: blessed] 1
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I accept none other than the Sun and nature as a whole to represent a realistic idea of God. Representations of the Sun that have been blended with modern enlightenment.
We live in a heaven on earth in a hell that is the universe my friend.
At least I think we do.
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Re: I reject religion [Re: sudly]
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Re: I reject religion [Re: blessed]
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religion, confused with god -me??? sorry, my god is nature, everyone is born a believer, nothing is true, but we can be honest about it.
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I'd really like to try and answer your question with the main things I believe and understand about God, but I'll have to make that post in the next couple of days or so.
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We live in a heaven on earth in a hell that is the universe my friend.
At least I think we do.
I know sudly that some people you may have encountered in life have probably bible bashed you somewhat, I can only speak for myself and say as a fellow member of this great site, I accept what you believe.
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redgreenvines said: my god is nature, everyone is born a believer, nothing is true, but we can be honest about it.
I don't have a problem with that .
As I've said before, we clearly see things from a difference perspective, which is totally fine. I want to add that everything I've said over our recent conversations are things that I believe and I accept that I could be wrong.
I also accept what you believe and have absolutely no desire to make you believe in something else.
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Re: I reject religion [Re: blessed]
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I'd really like to try and answer your question with the main things I believe and understand about God, but I'll have to make that post in the next couple of days or so.
I would really appreciate that.
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Nah man I've never been bible bashed or even gone to a serman. I just read parts of the bible and thought it was some of the dumbest shit I'd ever read and that there was no moral interpretation for things like murdering 42 children with bears for pointing at baldness.
I admire others who can hold or espouse to hole a natural view of the world without a supernatural reliance.
I truly believe you are wrong in regard to your interpretation of God because beyond the Sun and our atmosphere, it is hell.
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Re: I reject religion [Re: sudly]
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The sheep still moo(or baaahh if you will) his name. To think he wasn't one of the greatest socerers is complacent. To think dude didn't commit suicide (as the greatness one must have been) is to believe we are all doomed to a forced fate.
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Do explain reincarnation for us!
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Re: I reject religion [Re: Kmacmo] 2
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Religious people don't care about this experience they just want to go to heaven.
That's a very strong statement, directed at the majority of all people on this planet.
I think if you take the time to think about it, you'll realize this is a very inaccurate statement.
I understand that believing that this is all we have, can make it seem MORE special than to believe something exists after this life..... but these two are not mutually exclusive.
You can be religious, as many people are, and still GREATLY value this life. I would dare to say that on average, your average sincere religious practitioner cares more about this life than your average atheist. This is just from my own personal experience though.
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that is certainly possible, bible thumpers give earnestly religious people a bad name
I could imagine people who sustain a vision of holiness, and do kind things for everyone without any expectation to be noticed or thanked, it is kind of how I am.
I find nature holy and observing it is exalting.
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You are confusing religious credo with religious action or practice. All the things you say are more or less later additions to religion.
Let us try to look at religion in its earliest incarnation: group cult practice. Doctors, eventually becomming priets, saw people for advice and healing but their main role was to run harvest festivals and perform sacrifices and rituals. Their relationship to the gods was seen as part of a purpose: they directly influenced whether crops grew and could see the future, according to their cultures.
All the stuff we later associate with religion - monotheistic ethical codes, etc - only occurs after the development of christianity and Islam.
In its most intimate form, religion is life itself - worship of the good. Most of the things first imputed to god were merely things meant to help the growing season - god was appealed to for rain and for bigger crops. That is a kind of religion, the religion where one prays to god to help their action, that I think is inevitable everywhere. People appeal to something higher to help their endeavor. They continue to do this even if they are 'atheist'. When seen in this light religion is very much related to the practical demands of the world.
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CreonAntigone said: You are confusing religious credo with religious action or practice. All the things you say are more or less later additions to religion.
Let us try to look at religion in its earliest incarnation: group cult practice. Doctors, eventually becomming priets, saw people for advice and healing but their main role was to run harvest festivals and perform sacrifices and rituals. Their relationship to the gods was seen as part of a purpose: they directly influenced whether crops grew and could see the future, according to their cultures.
All the stuff we later associate with religion - monotheistic ethical codes, etc - only occurs after the development of christianity and Islam.
In its most intimate form, religion is life itself - worship of the good. Most of the things first imputed to god were merely things meant to help the growing season - god was appealed to for rain and for bigger crops. That is a kind of religion, the religion where one prays to god to help their action, that I think is inevitable everywhere. People appeal to something higher to help their endeavor. They continue to do this even if they are 'atheist'. When seen in this light religion is very much related to the practical demands of the world.
theoretically, perhaps you are recounting an unproven history. probably one you have collected and joined up from tv shows and books, but as far as I know there is not firm evidence of what leads to what. Even in our own families, and neighbourhoods, someone may seem wise like a shaman, and that person may do work for people who come from far and wide with their ailments. but who they are and what their skills or effects are is not the same accross the board. some just read tarot cards, some make love potions, and some just say, you will be fine. sometimes they pretend to do surgery with bare hands. this may involve faith and religion or may have no relation to that. One rabbi had visitors from many countries who lined up and received blessings, and lived from one week to the next walking on a cloud until the next blessing. Who can say that this was not responsible in some ways for mystery cures of cancers, leukemias, and IBS, but people swore that this rabbi was a real connection to god.
so some have huge followings and also conform to a known religion, and some have less impact and may or may not be of a known religion.
I think if you come to know your own mind you are a bright light in your own social group, and that is a good way to go. if you can get that way through religion why not?
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Ancient doctors would have smeared some funky shit into peoples wounds alright.
Sacrifices are messed up, and the Aztecs didn't do themselves any favours following it how they did.
Could have used the blood and bone of all their corpses to embetter their crops but oh no, that's not what their god was asking for said the priest who loves cutting hearts from chests, we must spill more blood for there to be rain!
What the duck am I supposed to take from insanity fed by ignorance?
If religion is life itself then eating hearts is all the jam, I mean even that moses or whoever fella was storied to have killed his son Isaac or some bumble because a burning bush sucked him off behind the caves of a zombie?
Historically religion is a way to center the masses and coalesce society to work towards a single cause or purpose, and for that purpose I think religion has worked well. But the specifics are bat shit insane.
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