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burntkitty


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I reject religion 2
#28262903 - 04/04/23 10:46 PM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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I enjoy a good fable though. I would be to led to believe god is the devil(you know the real monotheism). I couldn't accept god the baby killer. Life is just amazing though, it's not crazy to think something could come and resurrect your ass so you could pay your dues
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I believe life is special and that there is no existence after you die. No soul or energy. Otherwise life wouldn't be so special. Religious people don't care about this experience they just want to go to heaven.
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burntkitty said: I enjoy a good fable though. I would be to led to believe god is the devil(you know the real monotheism). I couldn't accept god the baby killer. Life is just amazing though, it's not crazy to think something could come and resurrect your ass so you could pay your dues
Then stand outside and feel the warmth of our Lord, because at the foundation of it we have the Sun to thank for everything outside of chemosynthesis around deep ocean volcanic vents.
I follow Ascetic values that don't share monasticism. Instead focusing on the practice of moderation. Not abstinence, but practicing moderation.
I consider myself an evolutionist in regard to the peers I value.
And if you've ever met someone who's been in a coma, I think there's a good chance they'll say it was a flat line.
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Re: I reject religion [Re: Kmacmo] 2
#28263050 - 04/05/23 05:57 AM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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"Religious people don't care about this experience they just want to go to heaven."
That does hit home, but it turns out, <fill in the blank>.
There is no heaven in the future that is not in the present, thus the lessons to refine and see, but assuming there is an afterlife without the problems of the physical body, the physical incarnation is rather baffling, bringing in the ideas of karmics and desires for something in this phase, sex and food I've often thought the culprits, but reasons should span the qualities.
The physical incarnation seems self-defeating in the purposes though. That we came here gives the entanglements of the physical, though we came to be rid of them so it goes. Then logically we brought the desires and debts from before.
There is dukkha, suffering or dissatisfaction, which is universal here. I would say aging confirms it certainly, but I think suffering, dissatisfaction, may have been even more intense in the strength and passions of youth.
Dispassion is no joke. Even atheists who seek refinement practice it in their meditations and the like.
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Re: I reject religion [Re: syncro] 1
#28263057 - 04/05/23 06:23 AM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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spiritual investment concepts are bewildering.
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syncro
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You practice the first part though, "There is no heaven in the future that is not in the present." Your vipassana be that.
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Re: I reject religion [Re: syncro] 1
#28263202 - 04/05/23 08:26 AM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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I like the root idea of re-ligare to re-connect
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Re: I reject religion [Re: syncro]
#28263211 - 04/05/23 08:34 AM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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burntkitty said:
I enjoy a good fable though.
There are 36 parables attributed to Jesus. Some are fairly good.
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Dispassion is no joke. Even atheists who seek refinement practice it in their meditations and the like.
I assume dispassion often gets a bad rap because it's viewed as being passive and emotionally uninvolved?
When a mind is aflame with passion, suffering ensues.
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it takes tremendous application
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burntkitty said: I reject religion
And in doing so you have done the right thing, and by the right thing, I mean that you have made a choice. Now you can live your life confidently knowing that if you are ever in a fox-hole that you won't call on god for help, and that when you die, you have no need to worry of standing before god ether. Just one thing though, you must as a intelligent person accept that if you are wrong, then you will have to stand before the God of the Bible, but don't worry about that ever happening, because you are right, it's all a big fairy tale joke .
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Re: I reject religion [Re: blessed]
#28263394 - 04/05/23 10:33 AM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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choice may not come into this at all, at least we can report what we like and do not like - even if we make no choices about it. who we are, and how we think is a matter of accumulated conditioning. no choice really ever.
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I think that neglects that at any point you can see ways to connect or not. That's a choice. Not all connections are optional of course. But many are.
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that is bc it is only possible to have free will in a universe where G-d also exists.
the first choice is choosing to believe, a simple yes or no.
if yes, all things become possible, if no, you become an avatar slave!
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redgreenvines said: choice may not come into this at all, at least we can report what we like and do not like - even if we make no choices about it. who we are, and how we think is a matter of accumulated conditioning. no choice really ever.
I believe that there is a choice, a choice to believe or not. A choice is a requirement of the Bible and of belief as well. Now if the Bible is a load of crap then the choice it presents is a useless one, but as it IS possible that's it's not a load of crap, then it's message (and presented choice) may be a very important one. Most people are presented with a world view of that we are made by a god or by the evolution process (without a god creator), so there is a choice to be made, what one chooses will have an impact on how they live their life.
And to not make a choice, is in fact a choice in it self.
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Re: I reject religion [Re: blessed]
#28263492 - 04/05/23 11:29 AM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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You might enjoy this view from a former missionary:
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Re: I reject religion [Re: blessed] 1
#28263530 - 04/05/23 11:48 AM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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I am attracted to freedom from interference and offense, I am attracted to peace, I am attracted to beauty, I am attracted to wisdom and Honesty.
I also have physical needs and am attracted to meet those with dignity.
I am not attracted to people, systems, creeds or political leaders who would attempt to manipulate and deflect me from what I am attracted to.
The postulate of free will at one point in our history was introduced to motivate people to political and religious enslavement via the practice of differentiating people from animals, who do not have free will.
People are still animals, animals that can be duped and enslaved by ideas.
Religions, cults, political movements dispense enslaving ideas, and set husband against wife, son against father, brother against sister.
Religion that does not serve to reconnect people is poison. So take free will and shove it up your candlesticks.
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Re: I reject religion [Re: blessed]
#28263651 - 04/05/23 01:14 PM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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burntkitty said: I reject religion
And in doing so you have done the right thing, and by the right thing, I mean that you have made a choice. Now you can live your life confidently knowing that if you are ever in a fox-hole that you won't call on god for help, and that when you die, you have no need to worry of standing before god ether. Just one thing though, you must as a intelligent person accept that if you are wrong, then you will have to stand before the God of the Bible, but don't worry about that ever happening, because you are right, it's all a big fairy tale joke .
That's just like your opinion man, if god would send me to hell, I'd never ask the cunt for a cent.
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Re: I reject religion [Re: sudly] 1
#28263807 - 04/05/23 03:27 PM (9 months, 18 days ago) |
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Before you reject religion why not make up your own?
Based on your beliefs and customs!
Personally I am a gnostic any religion.. I take the best parts of religions and throw the rest in the trash bin..
But I like to review what I have thrown away but not often.
So ultimately knowledge is my religion.. I can even include some tenets of Scientology.
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I more of less reject religion also, but it seems during my mushroom trips I happened upon some of the core archetypal elements that would make up a religion. I would say that I've had mystical experiences that felt like religious experiences. I go back and forth on my beliefs about the immortality of the soul.
Religion takes the place of the direct experience of the Entheogen. Reality has a Grail Cycle or something. The mushroom 'chosen one' makes an appearance, then a religion or other spiritual tradition is born out of the happening. This seems organized by the ruling class. The Entheogn that inspired the God-Man is taught to be wrong by the authorities using the story as their way to control the masses, or it is replaced by a placebo ritual. Then the Entheogen is set to make a come-back after it was taken away. Potentially this is the responsibility of the Buddha or Christ.
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I've never had a mystical experience outside of myself and through all my trips I came around with some awareness of my own thoughts.
I've just never taken seriously that something supernatural influenced me really.
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