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    #28259534 - 04/02/23 05:33 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

So last Friday, i had a revelation. Theres this young woman at my new workplace. She works on the same shift but in a different department. The only feae there. At the first, i could tell there was some mutual attraction.

During the week, she wears frumpy, baggie clothes. Comfy but not sexy.

But on Friday, we had a shift pizza party and she wore this all black school girl outfit with white boots. She looked absolutely stunning. Its like she gave herself a make-over. Then i realized, she was probably wearing it for me.

I wear black pants everyday. I think it looks nice on me. I only have one pair of this material and type. I cant help but think her fashion statement was a nod to my pants.

In the past, i never made the connection. But now its so obvious: some women will dress up sexy for a specific person but not tell them they did. Its all non-verbal. Subjective. Ambigious. The most subtle version of flirting in my opinion.

It was a great revelation into how women think and flirt.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28259540 - 04/02/23 05:36 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #28261576 - 04/04/23 06:24 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Will you make an attempt to confirm your suspicion, or is it more fun to not?


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 6
    #28261589 - 04/04/23 06:42 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Classic men thinking women are doing things for them specifically.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #28261593 - 04/04/23 06:47 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Don't condemn men for hoping women are interested in them.

Men are increasingly maligned & smeared these days. 

Or is that my toxic masculinity talking again?


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28261594 - 04/04/23 06:49 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

I didn't condemn him. :confused:


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28261599 - 04/04/23 06:55 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Just reacting to the never-ending negative male stereotypes that are thrown around these days.  So often by people who claim they oppose gender roles and gender stereotypes.  You don't think "Classic men thinking women are doing things for them specifically" is a generalized condemnation of men?  Or at least ridicule?


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #28261661 - 04/04/23 07:53 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

She likely didn't dress up for him specifically. Inexperienced (e.g. young) women are unaware that men think like this. Experienced women dressing like this are doing it for their own social advantage. Classically, men think it's for them specifically when it is not; unless of course there is already a well established courting going on.

I don't think it's condemning at all. I think its healthy to call it out as a phenomenon; too many women get harassed because men think that they are being enticed by a woman who is dressing for social purposes. Generally speaking, women are very upfront with who they are interested in. Women who play hard to get may be interested by proxy, which makes their flirting with men more about themselves than it makes it about the man. Indirectness is a sign of insecurity, and insecurity that is misinterpreted by men is a recipe for harassment.

To Logical Chaos' point, I think a lot of flirting can be ambiguous; but in the modern age, the array of "ambiguous flirtatious actions one can take" has narrowed significantly. We live in an age with the internet; every action you take has social ramifications; ambiguity doesn't exist in the 1st world dating scene. If you want to date someone, you should ask them out because if you fuck up, you can easily get a charge. If you are wrong, you incur significant long-lasting social damage i.e. be known as "the guy who thinks all women are flirting with him specifically". Gone are the days you can flirt with someone in a bar in New York then move to San Francisco and start over; I suspect the days where you can become a true expat are also disappearing due to increased surveillance technology.

In some ways, this is probably a good thing. The best way to prevent rape and robbery is by being well known in your community. If the world is now a known entity, it's harder to get away with crime. The unintended consequences to this is that there is "less magic"; i.e. you can't bullshit. I think men and women aren't entirely sure how to bring primal instincts into congruence with the modern situation. And if ancient china's legalist dynasties are historical precedent, then restricting human freedom to an ever increasing degree can result in societal collapse due to malaise and loss of creativity with inevitable unrest as the human spirit becomes tamed to a degree that provokes unrest.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk :lol: I didn't expect to go off in S&R.

Also, final note: to me, toxic masculinity is more about men not feeling free to talk about their feelings then it is about flirting. Being a sole provider is not a problem; feeling like you must be the sole provider or else you are a failure could be a problem, especially if it leads you down a road of failure because no one is actually a sole provider in such an interconnected world. Toxic masculinity leads men to suffer in silence because "sole providers (men) don't need help from others" and hence a downward spiral which is not being addressed by society's perverse expectations of men.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #28261722 - 04/04/23 08:59 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

I think someone has been reading too many pronoun articles...

The world will have less crime because of the internet and surveillance?

:youseethisshit:

You absolutely can go to a bar in NYC, and if you move to SF, people will definitely not be familiar with whatever you did.  Barring a heinous crime maybe.  Are you even LISHTENING to yourself?


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28261939 - 04/04/23 12:07 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

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Anonymous #2 said:

...to me, toxic masculinity is more about men not feeling free to talk about their feelings then it is about flirting.




Yesterday my brother was scolded by two business partners for the "tone" he used during a business meeting.  He simply stated how he felt.  He said he was frustrated by some things that had gone on.

He was scolded by two other men for being honest about his feelings.  He said nothing mean and was not angry.  He simply explained why he was frustrated. They told him he used the "wrong tone."

It appears men are attempting to castrate other men.

All in the name of being "progressive"! 

We are really going down the shit hole . . .


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28262199 - 04/04/23 02:37 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Ppl in general are too whiney/soft..
They cannot stand to admit being wrong
Men and women alike collide on a weird competitive capitalist fuckry, where nobody should tell them things they don't like or that differ from their idea or opinion.
In the wrong tone? Bahahja sounds like my wife.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: ashfiken] * 1
    #28262251 - 04/04/23 03:05 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Society is becoming progressively feminized; love it or hate it, more women are taking on roles of power and attaining higher levels of education. I think it's generally a good thing for society; globalization will not work with a conqueror cowboyish attitude.

If any of you have stepped foot on a college campus recently you'll see that the more socialized and domesticated the young man, the more successful he tends to be with women. Those college educated youth are the ones who get the job running the companies and the institutions that make society work. Tone does in fact matter. If you don't have control over your tone, what else are you unable to control? Your attitude is important just as much as what you're saying. In reality, the distinction between form and function is probably an illusion.

Earnest Hemmingway would not thrive in the modern world. He barely survived in his own time.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28262557 - 04/04/23 06:27 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Ernest* was a top man's man for sure.
See the thing as I see it is, feminised isn't even the way its going because women are being stripped of all the feminine qualities they once had bc of the incentives gained in our society(money,Independence,achievement)
Without all the complexities females being naturally feminine and able to do feminine things is a primally attractive thing, as well as a beneficial thing, for both genders.
There's plenty of more historical societies instances where women played a vital decision making role, were seen as equals and capable, yet were still women, doing female hominid things.
It can easily be a nice harmony. Imo.
But if you trade subsistence for a 1st world civilized capitalist πŸ₯•,  with other incentives, and drives and directions us monkeys can barely comprehend and understand by the time we are exposed to them..
And powerful and intelligent, driven and successful women are great. Women athletes  many are badasses at what they do.
Thats lovely and let them do it.
But designing generations for both male and female to paper chase, leads for inept or barely there parenting in many cases.
Among other very interesting, to me, factors, like how wages have never kept up with inflation and have stagnated, largely to me in what is just a simple macroeconomic shift.
Men were making enough for a whole American family to live decent. This is BLUE collar. Not anymore..
Macroecon(how I sees it)
Supply and demand jobs in (usa) male to female ratio 50/50 (in usa at pre womens equality movement)for sake of whatever

Men are only workforce pre 196X
All jobs went to men
100% of jobs 0~% to women
Supply of workers is lowest here(pop too)
Demand must maintain these workers, esp with unionization, wages could maybe rise as the years pass

Men and women are workforce 2020
60?% of jobs goto men, 40?% to women
Now there is 2x as many Potential workers figuring 50/50 ratio
Now 40%is of Men are "giving jobs up" to women.
Plenty of supply of workers here. Men work "best jobs" get paid more, if lucky.
Women work and can be successful,
There will always be a stopgap of enemployed potential workers.
Demand is nothing, companies rule the labor market and economic landscape.
Burden falls on worker to "maintain"
Wages never increase properly
But then leaves also much more burden on all of society just beginning with these few reasons.

For alotta reasons I think the "conservative" style really served us better as emotional creatures than this mess.
I guess I don't buy the socialized domesticated yadda.
A man can be a man's man and a woman's man.
If a dude wants to be a girly guy cool whatever, I guess not my thing.
But we need Men.
And we need WOMEN.
Hell look at the birth rate wonder why that's down?
Women should be given more credence than they even are now in a equal govenernance kinda way, it would just be cool If they were outta the workforce.
And I think women being women brings value. On a wider scale than individual success(s)

Women are becoming more (centrist?) In their gender roles and so are men and it's and interesting and possibly troubling thing to me.
But I guess if we ain't birthing many children atleast we won't be conserving any population to carry on the economic fuxkry the US is all built off of.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28262785 - 04/04/23 08:43 PM (9 months, 19 days ago)

I read the first few posts on this. I was interested because I dress up for work. And I love dressing up. I don't dress up as much as I used to. I used to wear a dress or pant suit almost everyday. I still do but I am a little more relaxed.
BUT
I never dressed up for anyone else. I wondered if some of the advances I got from men was because they misinterpreted it and thought it was for them.
This kind of confirms that thought.
Interesting to me.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28262805 - 04/04/23 09:00 PM (9 months, 19 days ago)

So my signs were #1, the first potluck we had, she was giving me "The Look". The Look is a lusty gaze that non-verbally says "If we were alone, i would make-out with you".

My 2nd sign was i wear black, including pants, hoodie and boots, everyday while she wears more softer pastel colors.

Third sign was the most important. Theres these tables in the breakroom with little cell phone stands. Usually she sits forward but this time, she pointed the cell phone stand directly toward me and sat on her leg semi-cross-legged. And i could see her glancing over her phone directly at me.

Sadly, she has a guy friend (he may have feelings for her but hasnt made his move perhaps) who is now my lead so making a move on her could make it awkward for my work life and such. So right now, im hanging back from afar and just enjoying her subtly.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28262915 - 04/04/23 11:04 PM (9 months, 19 days ago)

And i have Joyanima from YT to thank for explaining the subtle signs of flirting that women use. Shes been a God send for demystifying female behaviour.



Now when i interact with a woman, i look for at least 2 out of the 19 signs of flirting to confirm that shes interested in me. If theres only 1 sign, then i leave as a "maybe", especially the dressing up one since that one is very context-dependent.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
    #28262956 - 04/05/23 12:49 AM (9 months, 19 days ago)

Honestly from my point of view you seem creepy...


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    #28263116 - 04/05/23 07:38 AM (9 months, 19 days ago)

My physio therapist booked me for an evening appointment and she wore heals and and a red dress.
She said she had a thing after the appointment but her physio clinic was in her basement. Sooo?
Fuck I'm bad at reading people.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28263128 - 04/05/23 07:53 AM (9 months, 19 days ago)

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So my signs were #1, the first potluck we had, she was giving me "The Look". The Look is a lusty gaze that non-verbally says "If we were alone, i would make-out with you".




The feminist movement describes the "male gaze" as objectifying, sexualizing, and diminishing women.  When men view women as sexual passive objects that exist for the pleasure of males.   

They claim the male hyper-sexualization of women thwarts a man's castration anxiety via practices of voyeurism-sadism and fetishization of the female body.  Fueled by patriarchy and socio-political inequality.


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Re: Women and Dressing Up [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #28263150 - 04/05/23 08:11 AM (9 months, 19 days ago)

Jesus christ what happened to looking at women bc the are beautiful creatures.
This over sexualization shit is insane.
I gaze at women I find attractive, same as I gaze at a tree or a hawk.
Wtf.
Jus bc we can make sex nobody is being objectified,or diminished.
What's wrong with sheer appreciation.


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