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    #28257134 - 04/01/23 05:41 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

Posts can be voted up, why not down too?

Sometimes it's really really hard to politely tell someone:
"Hey I think your reply is low quality and I dont have the effort to engage in conversation with you"

In fact Ive seen people try that in threads here before and then a shitstorm would ensue. I dont have a shitstorm proofed house, or patience like that.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz]
    #28257350 - 04/01/23 09:11 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

What are your thoughts on how a down vote function should be implemented?
What I mean by that is do you think that a down vote should counter an upvote or do you think there should be something else done different?


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: Magenta] * 1
    #28257368 - 04/01/23 09:20 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

People like to use downvoting to say, not only do I not like your posts, I don’t want other people to engage with it or even see it.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: NotSheekle] * 2
    #28257400 - 04/01/23 09:53 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

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People like to use downvoting to say, not only do I not like your posts, I don’t want other people to engage with it or even see it.




This is not reddit. If a post receives a lot of down votes it's unlikely that it will be hidden. I don't think the pattern you describe will transfer to the Shroomery.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: Magenta]
    #28257401 - 04/01/23 09:55 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

You’re right about that..
I think then that I misunderstood about OPs statement that posts could be voted up. It’s not really voting a post up as much as it is giving it a thumbs up. There is no vote causing a change in priority of posts.. what would then be the point of a thumbs down? That’s what replies are for.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: NotSheekle] * 2
    #28257501 - 04/01/23 11:13 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

I think it should be like YouTube.  Counter for both ups and downs.

I believe it would actually be most useful in the cult area, where there are some TCs that are openly denounced [such as violet]. Yet their [bad] teks still remain up and are easy for noobs to misunderstand as good info. Yes, people can also simply say "this is bad info." But people already do that all over the place here, and it also seems to be shitstorm attractant when they do.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz]
    #28258048 - 04/01/23 06:12 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

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keydrawingz said:
Sometimes it's really really hard to politely tell someone:
"Hey I think your reply is low quality and I dont have the effort to engage in conversation with you"





I mean...

:migraine::billythumbdown::burtbyebye::peaceout::whateverhuman::saywhat::begone::elderno::notthisagain::out::kidreally::peterkillself::goodluckwiththat::kummeli::illjustgothrowup::justno::nojustno::notcoolman:

Is it really?


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: stubb] * 1
    #28258516 - 04/01/23 11:58 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

Everything is linear here and not algorithmically boosted, so it doesn't help comment ranking or anything. It would just turn into something petty, and doesn't serve a purpose beyond being a general fuck you button.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: stubb] * 1
    #28258646 - 04/02/23 05:40 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

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Everything is linear here and not algorithmically boosted, so it doesn't help comment ranking or anything. It would just turn into something petty, and doesn't serve a purpose beyond being a general fuck you button.




so this ? 👇👇👇

Quote:

stubb said:
Quote:

keydrawingz said:
Sometimes it's really really hard to politely tell someone:
"Hey I think your reply is low quality and I dont have the effort to engage in conversation with you"





I mean...

:migraine::billythumbdown::burtbyebye::peaceout::whateverhuman::saywhat::begone::elderno::notthisagain::out::kidreally::peterkillself::goodluckwiththat::kummeli::illjustgothrowup::justno::nojustno::notcoolman:

Is it really?




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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz] * 1
    #28258651 - 04/02/23 05:57 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

I would love to see this implemented so that useful responses could be supported by the community and poor responses could be publicly shamed (sorry, but sometimes it's needed).  There would initially be lots of butthurt going on but it would be worth it to have a group consensus on responses for new growers so they can see where the community lies on the subject at hand instead of only the people that decided to respond that happen to be the loudest.  Overgrow had a karma system for this that worked quite well.



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Re: Downvote feature [Re: PBJ710] * 1
    #28258657 - 04/02/23 06:04 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

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I would love to see this implemented so that useful responses could be supported by the community and poor responses could be publicly shamed (sorry, but sometimes it's needed).  There would initially be lots of butthurt going on but it would be worth it to have a group consensus on responses for new growers so they can see where the community lies on the subject at hand instead of only the people that decided to respond that happen to be the loudest.  Overgrow had a karma system for this that worked quite well.




I think a simple Ups and Downs counter would be a little less humiliating for people than the dogpiles of graems.

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While we're at it, can there be a restriction placed on new accounts with <25 posts to keep them from bumping a thread that hasn't had a reply in more than a year?




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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz]
    #28258661 - 04/02/23 06:09 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

It never turned into a dogpile situation unless someone was just giving out horrific advice.  Probably 95+% of the feedback were constructive thumps ups to let everyone know they agreed with the poster.

Nah, not you...just a general thing that would keep the forums less cluttered.  Editted that out for you OP :wink:



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Re: Downvote feature [Re: PBJ710]
    #28258662 - 04/02/23 06:12 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

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Nah, not you...just a general thing that would keep the forums less cluttered.



Oh ok. No offense, but maybe make your own thread with said request? Ive seen admins address good ideas here before.

For example, the reasons for bans listed on profiles, that came from a request here


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz] * 1
    #28258669 - 04/02/23 06:28 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

Maybe for growing advice but then what about political opinions? What about types of speech?

We dont need to be training eachother how to speak and which words to use


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28258693 - 04/02/23 06:49 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

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Maybe for growing advice but then what about political opinions? What about types of speech?

We dont need to be training eachother how to speak and which words to use



Posts can be voted up, why not down too?


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz]
    #28258696 - 04/02/23 06:52 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

Are they being voted up?
Or are they being thumbs upd?
Does your upvote effect post priority or just express your opinion?


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28258700 - 04/02/23 06:55 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

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Are they being voted up?
Or are they being thumbs upd?
Does your upvote effect post priority or just express your opinion?




I think it should be like YouTube.  Counter for both ups and downs.

It's funny, so far all the criticism to this idea also applies to the up-voting feature.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz] * 1
    #28258726 - 04/02/23 07:21 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

It's definitely more useful in the cult related areas of the forum.  Even just a simple up/down would probably help alot of the newer growers figure out which responses they should pay more attention to and which ones are probably less useful.  Having 4 upvotes and 3 downvotes on a post tells you alot more than just seeing the 4 upvotes a post would have in the current setup.  IMO votes shouldn't effects posts other than show public opinon.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: PBJ710]
    #28258735 - 04/02/23 07:29 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

exactly.

+ = “I like this”
Not “this is correct”

We have enough of people expressing how much they don’t like something by responding to it in comments. Downvoting for correctness or populism is going to allow for brigading.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28258908 - 04/02/23 09:44 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

This isn't a community, though. It's an online free-for-all. Literally anyone can create an account, or multiple accounts, and game the system any which way. As such, there is no "consensus" on best practices. If my opinions align with someone else's, it's probably got more to do with our real-life experiences aligning than anything else. There's no council making determinations about the current state of the art here. I guess you could say that the "start here" posts, teks, and stickies could represent that to some extent, but it's more about anticipating the missteps that most people make when starting out. Also, a lot of us, myself included, have nothing to do with any of that.

Communities, or, really, associations, form and dissolve over time here as posters link up and exchange ideas, then eventually move on. But there's always examples of absolute shitshows out there, too.

It takes work and reading comprehension to get through things here, and I'm OK with that. Very few posts are absolute garbage. Violet is a great example of someone who rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but still wasn't out there spouting absolute bullshit. There's value in digesting these things for yourself, and not using the quick shortcut of seeing which way the gladiatorial forum voted.

Older posts should be seen as a part of the scientific and historical literature. I don't need to go back and downvote Johannes Kepler for not getting planetary motion 100% right. Nor do I need to tell others that he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about, and to ignore his work. Even if that would make it 0.5% easier for someone to learn the physics they need to program a satellite.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28258932 - 04/02/23 10:17 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

If you don't like a post, don't upvote it. Problem solved.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: B Traven]
    #28258979 - 04/02/23 10:48 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

@B Traven All of these criticisms also apply to the upvote feature.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz] * 3
    #28258986 - 04/02/23 10:50 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

The + feature is not an upvote feature
It’s + feature
It may as well mean “i was here” or “i saw your post” the icon could be changed to a shroom and solve your issue.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28258988 - 04/02/23 10:51 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

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The + feature is not an upvote feature
It’s + feature
It may as well mean “i was here” or “i saw your post” the icon could be changed to a shroom and solve your issue.




This is semantic.

I think it should be like YouTube.  Counter for both ups and downs.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz] * 2
    #28259060 - 04/02/23 11:39 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

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@B Traven All of these criticisms also apply to the upvote feature.




No, you've completely missed my point.

You want someone to hold your hand and tell you exactly who's right and who isn't. And give you an option to indicate that you think a post sucks without having to think about what to type.

The existence of the "+" feature is irrelevant. As mentioned, it's neither a "you're right" nor an upvote. It means different things to different people, and is likely ignored by many.

This isn't youtube or reddit. It doesn't work on the same principles, and disputes here don't operate the same way.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: B Traven]
    #28259122 - 04/02/23 12:24 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

:whathesaid:

I'll go ahead and be petty and point out that this thread sucks.  :ozzy:


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: stubb]
    #28259130 - 04/02/23 12:35 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

Yes, this thread sucks.

I made the mistake and posted here and now i get notifications if there are new posts. How can i unsubscribe?


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: Yahra] * 1
    #28259142 - 04/02/23 12:53 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

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Yes, this thread sucks.

I made the mistake and posted here and now i get notifications if there are new posts. How can i unsubscribe?




If you look at your list of active threads, you can go to the left and click "hide this thread." It will no longer turn up there. But it will also no longer turn up on the list of that forum.

You can still see it in the chronological list of all posts from all forums, and access it from your own post history, so it’s not gone forever. Just never in your face.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28259144 - 04/02/23 12:56 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

:whateverhuman:

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    #28259597 - 04/02/23 06:21 PM (9 months, 21 days ago)

hehe if only you guys could give it a thumbs down


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    #28259936 - 04/02/23 11:59 PM (9 months, 21 days ago)

Funny. Have an UP-vote. +1


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz] * 1
    #28261940 - 04/04/23 12:08 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

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NotSheekle said:
Maybe for growing advice but then what about political opinions? What about types of speech?

We dont need to be training eachother how to speak and which words to use




Quote:

keydrawingz said:
This is semantic.

I think it should be like YouTube.  Counter for both ups and downs.





Firstly, please stop comparing to Youtube. Youtube has removed its thumbs down button so your comparison is obsolete.
I agree with you almost 100% but I have to agree with NotSheekle on that point.
If votes are published on the political forum it will in effectively portray the political dominance within the board which I don't think would be a good thing.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz] * 1
    #28286073 - 04/19/23 08:58 PM (9 months, 4 days ago)

i get it. and i agree.

i'd like to see the addition on a minus option. or get rid of the plus option. kinda lame have one without the other.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: wrestler_az]
    #28349717 - 06/06/23 03:02 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

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i get it. and i agree.

i'd like to see the addition on a minus option. or get rid of the plus option. kinda lame have one without the other.




Well said. Especially considering what magenta said. I think there is definitely a hivemind mentality here and it can be extremely depressing, hurtful and humiliating if youre disagreed with by it.

I had a friend that used to post here, he would often talk about feeling like he was in a flame war for lack of better words. He said usually the other, more popular person, would say something hurtful and nasty first: and then when hed retort with an equal reflecting comment, hed immediately get torched by admins or something.

Basically someone would call him an asshole but as soon as he said it back hed get a little ban or something.

Made me feel sorry for him. Also makes me VERY apprehensive to post here. I think its a little dumb that unregistered users arent able to view info from the current decade. I had a friend ask me about info from "violet" and im like "oh those are very old and discredited, dont follow those, sorry"


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz]
    #28351151 - 06/07/23 04:54 PM (7 months, 17 days ago)

No downvote button. I don't want this place to end up like reddit where everyone downvotes someone into oblivion.


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    #28351160 - 06/07/23 05:02 PM (7 months, 17 days ago)

i would downvote this post, if i could.


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    #28351164 - 06/07/23 05:11 PM (7 months, 17 days ago)

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i would downvote this post, if i could.



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    #28351289 - 06/07/23 06:47 PM (7 months, 17 days ago)

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Re: Downvote feature [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #28355896 - 06/11/23 05:02 PM (7 months, 13 days ago)

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No downvote button. I don't want this place to end up like reddit




My brother in Christ, this site entered that territory long long ago. I know it used to be quite the opposite, but those are ancient times now. For example, compare the political subforum here to r/politics. The similarities are..... depressing...

I agree that reddit's atmosphere is metaphorically humping a large fire ant hill naked. Small chance the ants crawl all over, and inside of, your pp and bite it in *just the right way* but odds are its going to be a fucking nightmare until you run away and wash yourself of it and then are bound to immobilization for days until there is healing...
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But metaphorically speaking, again, an ant hill and its army is nothing without a queen. Reddit is what it is MOSTLY because of its hivemind. The hivemind is led by its power users, who have the highest notation of reddit vote points or whatever, and whatever the powerusers say.

If the [current, active]moderation and the "TC"s here weren't so homogenous in outspoken opinion, it would be less like reddit. But thats an entirely different large hill of fire ants on my dick-- I mean can of worms that my dick is in---- I mean we are here to talk about simply adding a downvote feature to cohabitate with the currently existing "upvote" system

Am I saying that our profiles should have a scoring system reflecting points? Fucking absolutely not,that would really make things fucking annoying really quick- oh fuck wait I forgot about profile "ratings" 😬😬😬😬😬 well.... im sure we can all guess how that can go wrong for some people but thats an entirely different topic of discussion.... Did I already mention that people here will mindlessly dogpile people with reactionary ridicule based upon praised senior users statements? Im pretty sure I did.

Also, I already downvoted everyone ITT's moms' asses upside down AYYYOOOOOOOOOOOO haha HAHAHA ha ha haha.....
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I dont know much about computer code writing or programming, but I think I can safely say that implementing it in the system would be as simple as duplicating the upvote:points system but then making the button a minus or something like that. Both ups and downs being visible separately.


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Re: Downvote feature [Re: keydrawingz]
    #28356396 - 06/12/23 01:06 AM (7 months, 13 days ago)

Reddit is extremely communist in its ways. Funny, seeing as Reddit is practically extremist leftism. Overpowered moderators permabanning people just for having a differing opinion or just for being part of a completely different sub and they don't like it.


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