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Ethincal Dilemma
    #28255477 - 03/30/23 09:36 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

I have an ethical dilemma.

Throughout most of my adult life I've been a big promoter and supporter of psychedelics, thinking that it was, on balance, a good thing.
After a few recent spiritual insights, from trips and from meditation, I am no longer so sure.

And so I am requesting from you, dear shroomery, to provide any thoughts you might have on whether it is a good idea to promote, or even just make available to others: psychedelic substances, knowing that due to their current illegal status their use cannot be controlled or regulated and people may use them irresponsibly etc.

Thank You!


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: secondorder]
    #28255512 - 03/30/23 10:32 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Most people who use psychedelics are mature.


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28255513 - 03/30/23 10:33 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

They're honest about wanting to show and tell their stories..

Preferring truth over falsehood.


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: secondorder]
    #28255591 - 03/31/23 01:07 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

In an ideal world I think people would be prescribed an introductory prescription of  a microdose that progressively builds up over a several day to several week period where people take it under therapeutic scenarios with councilling present or available.

Information of LD-50s and toxicity in general. What not to mix etc. The importance of having enough time, ammenaties and effective communication of responsibilities.

Inform, build and observe therapeutically I'd say.


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: secondorder] * 2
    #28255656 - 03/31/23 03:47 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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And so I am requesting from you, dear shroomery, to provide any thoughts you might have on whether it is a good idea to promote, or even just make available to others: psychedelic substances, knowing that due to their current illegal status their use cannot be controlled or regulated and people may use them irresponsibly etc.

Thank You!



No promotion is advisable.

Make available - generally no, you should not want your reputation to be based on this.

Legality is a real issue - be informed and avoid transgression - especially with people too young to vote (minors).

Be as informed as possible, and if you are involved in the health industry, let that training be the milieu that is presented publicly, and let your private life be mutually supportive with your public life.


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: secondorder] * 2
    #28255668 - 03/31/23 04:11 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

I absolutely believe that (on balance) supporting psychedelics IS a good thing.

For me, being a supporter of psychedelics, is a :thumbup:

Being a promoter of psychedelics, is a :thumbdown:

Supporting allows you to give advice without outright saying you advocate use.
Promoting has a built in bias (pro) to use over abstinance.

I'm a big proponent of having to forge your own path when it comes to psychedelics use and life integration.

Yes of course sometimes it will lead to reckless use but the supporting and making available of safe information at the very least points to more positives than negatives in my opinion

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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: Lithop]
    #28255755 - 03/31/23 06:59 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

I've come to the same realizations about advocating psychedelic use.  I will stand up for these substances (really, mushrooms) being instrumental in being able to generate new experiences of neuroplasticity.  I, however, know first hand that transpersonal experiences can lead to lasting mental health complications.  Now, I suffer from another dilemma: as I look in on you all's internet lives on the shroomery, could I be allowing these presences that haunt me into your lives via interacting with you guys/gals online?


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28255777 - 03/31/23 07:26 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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No promotion is advisable.






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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: secondorder] * 2
    #28257710 - 04/01/23 02:10 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

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I have an ethnical dilemma.





black man, can't go wrong with black. :crazy2:



The mistake of the 1960s was promotion, handing out lsd to unsuspecting teens and have them freal out merry prankster style.

As an admin of the Shroomery, i find it utterly important that people have the right information to make informed decisions about these substances.

Harm reduction.

To take a medicine is to inflict a lesser harm upon yourself for the purpose of it helping to facilitate a greater good upon you.

That must be done right.



another thing:



it is normal that psychedelics are a phase in your life. they come into your life, do the thing that needs done and they move out of your life.

They'll let you know.




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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: Asante]
    #28257733 - 04/01/23 02:30 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

My life has squatters, they ain't moving out nohow(, I give them free food).


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28258177 - 04/01/23 07:35 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

Thank you very much for the thoughts! They are much appreciated!


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: secondorder]
    #28258323 - 04/01/23 09:35 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

Making something available , particularly when it is natural, is not inherently wrong no matter what it is. Heroin comes from the poppy - the choice to abuse it is on the user.

Our choices are all we have control of in this life. I think providing people with the choice to engage with psychedelics is a service for most able minded people.


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: Lfl93]
    #28258632 - 04/02/23 04:57 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

availing is different than promotion
availing helps nature and the world at large
promotion helps the promoter without consideration of consequences

lose the distinction and already there is a failing to consider.


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: secondorder]
    #28271197 - 04/10/23 02:22 PM (9 months, 14 days ago)

I personally think being a supporter is great, and if asked my experience I would give it. But actively promoting, while I don't think it's horrible is probably not advised. Like you said it's a bit dicey on the legal end unfortunately.


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: Spore Gasm] * 1
    #28271379 - 04/10/23 04:56 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Line from Trainspotting:

"It's fuck all to do with morality, and everything do to aesthetics"


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28271455 - 04/10/23 05:37 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

loved trainspotting, probably for that reason


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28271598 - 04/10/23 06:37 PM (9 months, 13 days ago)

Haha, yeah in pins down the whole meaning of addiction..


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Re: Ethincal Dilemma [Re: secondorder]
    #28283413 - 04/18/23 08:51 AM (9 months, 6 days ago)

It has already been said: They come and go. I like to believe they are important in a certain phase or time of our lives. A positive experience that made a difference. But alas, I was more of a spiritual type rather than the recreational kind. Although I did party hard while micro dosing back in the day. I just let go at some point in life. I guess it happens to many of us. And we have different ways of letting go ...


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