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Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy?
    #28253805 - 03/29/23 09:47 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

I hope someone here can point me in the right direction. I've been reading a lot of promising research on psilocybin-assisted therapy for eating disorders and PTSD. I have anorexia nervosa, binge eating/purging type and I'm desperate to try something else because I've had this disorder for so long, stemming from PTSD. I've tried other treatments but never psychedelic-assisted therapy.

I live in the states and don't know where to find the right integration therapist. I'd go to Canada for treatment if it's legal there. It seems to only be a treatment in two states right now.

Sourcing isn't a problem. I don't want to do it for fun. I want to do it for healing. I feel like I need an expert to guide me.

Any ideas where to look/where to start? I've lowered my SSRI (gradually). I've heard golden teacher is bad if you have PTSD, and golden halo is ideal. I want to break the addictive and fear natures of my eating disorder patterns and start to let go of it and just get better. It's been too long.


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Re: Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy? [Re: bouopa]
    #28254223 - 03/30/23 07:49 AM (9 months, 25 days ago)

Look at integration circles. Psychedelic assisted therapy is a little ways off legally, you're going to have to find other people in your community. Even in OR and CO,

Different strains have the same effects, just different strength. The effects are due to psilocin and psilocybin. The overall psilocybin potency is the only factor that will increase the intensity of the experience. Golden teachers are a fine variety, easy to dose but still potent.

SSRIs are not the best drugs we have but keep in mind that they may be helpful. Mushrooms can heal but don't discount anything your providers want to help you with.

Overall I would say look into integration circles and make sure to do your research, both on PTSD and also on psilocybin.

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Re: Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy? [Re: herbstation]
    #28254742 - 03/30/23 01:36 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

you might find this an interseting read:

https://www.brighterpathways.co/post/trauma-needs-a-rebrand

I chatted to the chap to get a couple of session with him, but his prices were way too high for me, but I will buy the book that he got a lot of his research from
(the body keep the score)

best of luck!
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Re: Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy? [Re: herbstation]
    #28255469 - 03/30/23 09:28 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Thanks. How far off do you think it is from becoming a more prevalent, legal treatment? I'll search for integration circles. Interesting about the strains since I heard golden teacher is bad for PTSD. I'm debating whether starting with a microdose would still be beneficial for healing. Yeah, I don't think SSRIs are terrible but I feel mine stopped helping much. It helps a tiny bit. I've been on it for 10 years.


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Re: Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy? [Re: bouopa]
    #28255561 - 03/30/23 11:50 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

A couple years before it's accessible in limited ways. 5-10 years for somewhat convenient and high quality services that are more than a rough draft. You might be able to find a licensed therapist who will also do psilocybin therapy but they're hard to track down. Since it's illegal.

Ingesting psilocybin from a golden teacher is the same as psilocybin from a B+ and the same as synthetic. If you're ingesting psilocybin mushrooms, they'll all have the same effect with variable potency. There's some debate about psilocin in fresh mushrooms having a different subjective effect but it's subtle. Strain does not make a difference once you account for psilocybin percentage.

Eating amanita muscaria, the classic red and white mushroom, would have a very different effect since it contains different actives, muscimol and ibotenic acid. These are pretty common in the wild and legal a lot of places because they're edible if prepared right. It would be a very different experience. It is also toxic I believe.

Golden teacher, penis envy, melmac, B+, APE, tidal wave, are all forms of the same psilocybin mushroom  p. cubensis. Some other "shrooms", like pan cyan, are a different species but they still make the same 2 psychedelic compounds: psilocybin and psilocin.


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Re: Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy? [Re: herbstation] * 2
    #28255590 - 03/31/23 01:04 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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herbstation said:
Look at integration circles. Psychedelic assisted therapy is a little ways off legally, you're going to have to find other people in your community. Even in OR and CO,



Just a cautionary word of advice: vet your facilitator or anyone offering integration services or psychedelic services in general.

Psychedelia has an abundance of untrained or poorly trained narcissistic type personalities who will exploit the power dynamic inherent in giving someone else drugs that make them incredibly vulnerable and suggestible.

Sexual abuses have become a problem.

So ask your facilitator what sort of boundaries they employ in their services. Any form of physical touch - whether claimed to be therapeutic or otherwise - should be avoided, even if your facilitator insists it is for your own good. Ask lots of questions and be critical of red flags in personalities.

I'm not trying to scare anyone off; I'm only encouraging taking safety into your own hands, given the lack of regulations :rolleyes:

Besides that, I hope you can find a competent practitioner, whether in underground or regulated therapeutic spaces. PTSD & anorexia are incredibly exhausting :heart:


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Re: Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy? [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #28255803 - 03/31/23 07:47 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Hence why I recommend integration circles. I don't trust 1 on 1 "sitters" who offer their services to people they don't know.

I consider myself experienced and ethical but even I am hesitant to try to guide anyone else's experience. I just keep people safe if they ask me to watch them. Talk to them afterwards.


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Re: Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy? [Re: herbstation]
    #28256259 - 03/31/23 01:47 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

I agree. Although there's been cases where integration circle leaders, or even members, bring participants to the side or offer them "special 1 on 1 services" or some version thereof.

There's various things we can do to mitigate risk. Group-based settings and especially those with some women representing leadership roles may be lower risk. Self-advocacy is another factor for reducing risk.

It all goes with the territory regardless. Even regulated access has risks and has witnessed abuses of power.

Looking at risk as a spectrum where we can mitigate it across multiple dimensions is the best strategy :grin:


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Re: Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy? [Re: bouopa]
    #28275660 - 04/13/23 09:44 AM (9 months, 11 days ago)

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bouopa said:
Thanks. How far off do you think it is from becoming a more prevalent, legal treatment? I'll search for integration circles. Interesting about the strains since I heard golden teacher is bad for PTSD. I'm debating whether starting with a microdose would still be beneficial for healing. Yeah, I don't think SSRIs are terrible but I feel mine stopped helping much. It helps a tiny bit. I've been on it for 10 years.




Australia has moved to recognise the medicinal qualities of psilocybin (magic mushrooms).

From July 1, 2023, medicines containing psilocybin can be prescribed by authorised psychiatrists to people experiencing treatment-resistant depression.

The change also allows medicines containing MDMA to be prescribed for people with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).


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Re: Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy? [Re: Neo23]
    #28275763 - 04/13/23 11:10 AM (9 months, 11 days ago)

Here in the UK there are a number of ongoing trials.  In addition, those wanting to get trained in the use of psychedelics in therapy now have course options in the UK, as well as visiting Holland.
Hopefully the US has an equivalent to the UKCP, a professional body for trained psychotherapists with clear codes of professional conduct etc.
I'm aware that UKCP practitioners are permitted by the UKCP codes of conduct to carry out this work (if they choose to), subject to a couple of conditions:
They aren't permitted to advertise the therapy as approved by UKCP
The client is required to provide the psychedelic (obvious really, or the therapist would be supplying a class A drug).

If you look around for a suitable therapist, PLEASE first read up on the differences between what sound like the same thing.  A Cognitive Behaviour practitioner can 'qualify' through a short on-line course, a counsellor can qualify in a few months, a psychotherapist trains for 3 years at post graduate level.

Surprisingly, the difference in the fees they charge isn't that great.  In the UK you can find a psychotherapist in your area at https://www.psychotherapy.org.uk/find-a-therapist/?Distance=10 and prices start at about £50 for a "50 minute hour"  I'd suggest that those practising in the integrative and existential sub fields are most likely to be open to assisting.


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Re: Psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy? [Re: Janus62]
    #28276585 - 04/13/23 09:14 PM (9 months, 10 days ago)

Thanks!


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