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Two Wings of the Same Bird * 3
    #28253214 - 03/29/23 04:08 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)



Have none of us taken psychedelics? Or are we all retarded now? I thought we all realized this political game is a sham and a distraction to keep us oppressed, divided, and conquered. How did we forget this? How have we lost our way so terribly?


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: 336] * 1
    #28253357 - 03/29/23 05:49 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

Doesn't matter , you should still vote no matter what you "think".


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #28253376 - 03/29/23 06:01 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

I took psychedelics.. but I also took too many political science classes. Politics suck, systems of oppression suck, but it also keeps the lights on and food on the table in a dazzlingly complex world...

Society requires some method of maintaining itself, called government, and society is complicated.


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: 336]
    #28253396 - 03/29/23 06:16 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

true enough. that said, we should hopefully recognize that a political party is neither an ally or an enemy, and that both parties are lobbied by the corporations and that they represent those interests not ours.


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: 336] * 1
    #28253446 - 03/29/23 06:46 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

The government we have is indeed representative of the populace. You get what you vote for. Pretty sure Americans want an inept (or inefficient), morally cloudy, nationalistic like government.


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28253449 - 03/29/23 06:49 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

tbh to me it seems both the left and right want a dictator. so long as the dictator is of their political ideology... which isn't good for any of us when you extrapolate what ends up happening in such situations.


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #28253614 - 03/29/23 08:30 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

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Doesn't matter , you should still vote no matter what you "think".




That’s like saying atheists should still pray


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28253778 - 03/29/23 09:33 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

Checks out.

Takes minimal effort; there's always the off chance it could yield positive results; should never be your go-to solution.


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #28253792 - 03/29/23 09:39 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

Yeah, I'll pray to whoever once in a while. Did a whole 12 hour session in a buddhist temple the other day. That shit was nuts. Definitely felt divine. Devotional, almost. Or maybe just dehydrational, if I am being entirely honest.

Either way, it was fun. I'd maybe do it again sometime later. Or at least something shorter.


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28255788 - 03/31/23 07:35 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

:archiebunker:


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #28255877 - 03/31/23 08:38 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

Can’t expect someone that doesn’t have faith in the system to participate in it.


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28255889 - 03/31/23 08:46 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

I shouldn't be expected  to listen to  or take someone's complaints seriously if they don't participate .


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: Kryptos]
    #28255964 - 03/31/23 10:10 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:
Doesn't matter , you should still vote no matter what you "think".




That’s like saying atheists should still pray




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psilly:
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I shouldn't be expected  to listen to  or take someone's complaints seriously if they don't participate .





Yeah but it's not like ticking a box (voting) is Mathematics wherein actual experience would facilitate a deeper understanding of the topic! In fact, part of the problem I would argue, is that so many of those who do vote have no understanding of politics whatsoever!

The problems we are seeing today are of our own making. Had the western public truly cared about or comprehended the atrocity that was the War on Terrorism they would also have come to understand the true nature and danger of those we had/have in power (and the true origins of the WOT itself).

But they simply didn't really care about middle easterners and so the gathering threat was (and still is being) allowed to metastasize to the point were it was no longer only a threat to middle easterners. 

Unfortunately, just as during the Nazi era, collectively as peoples, that may well prove to be our karmic just deserts.

But to be honest it seems to be an immutable law of human nature IMO. Every 50-100 years or so, as with a chemical reaction, we become highly unstable needing to react/change and settle once more.

This is more than a little worrying in an atomic age though, but on the other hand, I personally have little doubt we'd be in WW3 already were it not for nuclear weapons!


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: Psilynut2] * 3
    #28256134 - 03/31/23 12:32 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

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I shouldn't be expected  to listen to  or take someone's complaints seriously if they don't participate .



Checking a box every few years and calling it a day hardly qualifies as political participation.

Voting is the bare minimum of civic effort; not the be-all end-all. You don't need to vote to participate in politics - direct action gets the goods.


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: 336]
    #28256169 - 03/31/23 12:58 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

If I'm being honest I think the government has been lost to the people since around the time of the great depression; although if we're being honest it was probably never in the hands of the masses, as it has always been controlled by the rich and powerful land owners. the only difference is for the first 100 years or so they had the indians and the blacks to exploit, now they are exploiting everyone.


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: 336] * 1
    #28259898 - 04/02/23 10:57 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Both democrats and republicans are bought and paid for, their advertisers and sponsors profits are their major priority.



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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: sudly]
    #28260164 - 04/03/23 08:11 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

The notion that the rich have all the power is largely overstated.  Certainly, the rich do have some influence beyond the common man, but it isn't nearly as dramatic as people seem to think it is.  After all, the top 1% pay more in taxes than the bottom 90% combined.  If they had all the power, that wouldn't be the case.

As far as the NRA having influence, that's less about money and more about simply being on the right side of the argument.  When reason and statistics are on your side, it's pretty easy to persuade people over the long run.  Emotional arguments and parents crying on TV can sway people temporarily, but once you get to the point of taking freedom from millions in order to protect hundreds, it gets harder to sell.




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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: Enlil]
    #28260181 - 04/03/23 08:30 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

Under that logic, there is absolutely no justification for regulating anything.


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: Kryptos]
    #28260188 - 04/03/23 08:33 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

How do you figure?


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Re: Two Wings of the Same Bird [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28260196 - 04/03/23 08:39 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

DUI laws take away the god given right to drive drunk from millions of Americans to save the lives of hundreds.

Murder laws take away the rights of millions of Americans to murder freely to save the lives of hundreds.

Perhaps I should also point out the logical flaw in your statement: you operate on the assumption that everyone wants a gun. In reality, gun owners are a minority.


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