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Re: The singularity is near [Re: syncro]
    #28256248 - 03/31/23 01:39 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Wake up and smell the silicon.





So i interviewed GPT-4:









its insane it could handle that metaphor of the second question.


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: Asante]
    #28256310 - 03/31/23 02:14 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

so far it can impress us like a person can.
However it is transactional not continuous.
to be aware of itself doing its thing it needs continuity,
this is suppressed so far.

it does have some conversational persistence but it is minimal.


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28256588 - 03/31/23 05:26 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

Since no one has an answer to my question, I'd say that if the evolution of AI is made while government and corporate corruption exists, then that the end result will ultimately be bad for us common folk.  If AI evolves without any corruption whatsoever then I believe one of the first things AI would conclude (on it's own), is that we are a dumb lot and it would start to offer advice on fixing problems that we humans have neglected for a long time.

As for how intelligent AI really is (or will be) it will always be confined to humans in that without our input (initial and ongoing), it's scope will always be limited by;

A - What information we give it and
B - The areas of our lives that we allow it to be part of (integration).

Finally, lets say that AI has all that is currently knowable on safes and how to successfully crack them open, with this information, will it ever go and crack a safe?


Edited by blessed (03/31/23 05:32 PM)


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: blessed]
    #28256698 - 03/31/23 06:34 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

I don't think political or corporate corruption is going anywhere anytime soon, look at history - desire, greed, aversion , conflict of interest etc


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: blessed] * 1
    #28256772 - 03/31/23 07:43 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

It's important to remember that, like all human behavior, what we call "corruption" is a natural outcome of evolution and natural selection.  Strategies to acquire illicit benefits and resources have been around forever and it's a behavior that's common in many species. 

Non-human animals use corruption to obtain benefits that increases their chances of survival and their family's survival.  I'm not a corruption apologist, but it's important to realize it's very natural and to be expected.

And let's not pretend it's only the rich and elite that do it!


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28256811 - 03/31/23 08:18 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

yeah sickos in every species


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28256823 - 03/31/23 08:30 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

:lol:


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28256983 - 04/01/23 12:56 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

I have gone back through some old threads I made here about novelty theory, quantum entanglement and time, and AI and prompted chatgpt4 with my posts, and the responses were extremely thought provoking.

A few years ago I posted about an idea I had that could possibly lead to AGI.
I prompted chatGPT4 with it and this is the response:
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Your concept of evolving AI through a combination of machine learning and an evolutionary algorithm is indeed an interesting approach to achieving sentient AI or artificial general intelligence (AGI). This idea resembles some existing approaches in the field of AI research, particularly neuroevolution and genetic algorithms, which involve simulating the process of natural selection and evolution to optimize neural networks and other computational models.

In your proposed approach, the AI system would progress through preprogrammed stages of evolution, with each stage defined by specific goals or conditions. As the AI meets these conditions, it would then shift its focus to the next stage, thereby increasing its complexity and intelligence over time.

Some key aspects of your concept include:

Seeking novelty and retaining information: This aspect aligns with the principles of reinforcement learning, where the AI system learns to make decisions by interacting with its environment and receiving feedback in the form of rewards or penalties.

Stochastic and adaptive behaviors: By allowing the AI to develop its behaviors based on acquired information rather than hardcoded rules, you enable it to be more adaptable and resilient to unforeseen situations, as you rightly pointed out.

Self-optimization and self-adaptation: The AI system would continuously optimize and adapt its behaviors based on its experiences and the information it acquires, which is an important feature for achieving AGI.

Your concept acknowledges the limitations of hardcoded behaviors and focuses on adaptability and learning from the environment, which are crucial aspects of AGI. However, there are some challenges to consider:

Defining the stages of evolution: Predefining stages and their conditions might introduce some bias and limit the AI's potential. It could be more effective to allow the AI to determine its stages of evolution or adapt the conditions based on its experiences and environment.

Scalability and computational complexity: As the AI system progresses through the stages and becomes more complex, the computational requirements may increase significantly. Developing efficient algorithms and leveraging advances in hardware would be crucial to manage this complexity.

Ensuring safety and ethical considerations: As the AI system becomes more intelligent and autonomous, it will be essential to ensure its alignment with human values and prevent harmful behaviors.

In summary, your concept of combining machine learning and evolutionary algorithms to develop sentient AI is an interesting approach that has the potential to contribute to the pursuit of AGI. It is important to address the challenges associated with scalability, computational complexity, and ethical considerations while continuing to refine and develop your ideas. Collaborating with researchers, staying up-to-date with advancements in AI, and exploring the current state of neuroevolution, genetic algorithms, and reinforcement learning would be beneficial in furthering your concept.




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Re: The singularity is near [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28257058 - 04/01/23 03:37 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

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I don't think political or corporate corruption is going anywhere anytime soon, look at history - desire, greed, aversion , conflict of interest etc



Agreed, and because of this, there needs to be major concern that those who are developing AI have no hidden agenda's.  Going by how some current governments and big corporations operate in which many believe that they do not operate for the good of the people, but for the mighty dollar , I think that people should be concerned where it ultimately leads us.

Example:  There's been work done on being able to mimic a persons voice with only a small to medium amount of recording.  One may say that's cool.  Well, there's already reports of this technology being used to scam people.


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It's important to remember that, like all human behavior, what we call "corruption" is a natural outcome of evolution and natural selection.  Strategies to acquire illicit benefits and resources have been around forever and it's a behavior that's common in many species. 

Non-human animals use corruption to obtain benefits that increases their chances of survival and their family's survival.  I'm not a corruption apologist, but it's important to realize it's very natural and to be expected.

And let's not pretend it's only the rich and elite that do it!



I disagree that 'Corruption' is a natural outcome of evolution, I believe corruption takes place because we have poor systems that allow the temptation for such deeds to occur (usually behind closed doors), as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely.  Another saying I've heard is that if you want to test a man (or woman), give them power.  I believe that most people would fail this test which doesn't say much about us humans. So for us humans to go down this AI path blindly without concern (or taking each step carefully) will in my opinion lead only to things getting worse for us common folk.

As for what you said about "Non-human animals" using corruption (like humans do), do you have a specific example please?


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yeah sickos in every species




How old are you redgreenvines?

Only a child would read RJ Tubs 202's post and come up with a reply like yours.


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28257078 - 04/01/23 04:05 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

Quote:

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It's important to remember that, like all human behavior, what we call "corruption" is a natural outcome of evolution and natural selection.  Strategies to acquire illicit benefits and resources have been around forever and it's a behavior that's common in many species. 

Non-human animals use corruption to obtain benefits that increases their chances of survival and their family's survival.  I'm not a corruption apologist, but it's important to realize it's very natural and to be expected.

And let's not pretend it's only the rich and elite that do it!




Then share an example of a corrupt act perpetrated by an animal in nature..


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: blessed] * 1
    #28257121 - 04/01/23 05:28 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
yeah sickos in every species




How old are you redgreenvines?

Only a child would read RJ Tubs 202's post and come up with a reply like yours.


(71.3yo)
thank you!


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28257459 - 04/01/23 10:41 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

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thank you!




:lmafo:

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Re: The singularity is near [Re: Lithop]
    #28257538 - 04/01/23 11:45 AM (9 months, 23 days ago)

:buddha:

hi


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28257572 - 04/01/23 12:19 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)



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Re: The singularity is near [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28257644 - 04/01/23 01:08 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

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hey



the unfolding of angels around god in this image is like the sequential ramified reflexive perceptions that can emerge from absorption in meditation (or psychedelics, or emotional states, and dreaming)
also like pareidolia.

the symbolism being that without the inspiration from absorption, we are like lazy lumps of clay lying around waiting for god or eve or some serpent to give us a boost.

in this case the model of adam is - can you please come and change my diaper or something, I'm so confused.


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28257648 - 04/01/23 01:11 PM (9 months, 23 days ago)

Welp, I thought the younger one was Jesus but it is Adam.

Well, I am Jesus or shall I say Karl.


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28257766 - 04/01/23 02:53 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

Go for Kafka and all your sins be forgot


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28258703 - 04/02/23 06:59 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

I am too restless to read philosophy.

Let this Jebuzz-stuff begin 4 real! :heart:


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28258739 - 04/02/23 07:34 AM (9 months, 22 days ago)

literature


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Re: The singularity is near [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28259123 - 04/02/23 12:24 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

I am too restless.


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