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#28252918 - 03/29/23 12:38 PM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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What a time to be alive. AI is advancing so rapidly and will soon be integrating into nearly all facets of life and technology. It’s almost unbelievable. I’m not sure many people understand just how quickly things are happening or the profound implications of what’s possible now.
ChatGPT4 and other generative AI’s have changed the game, it’s like a turbo boost with infinite nitrous on the speed at which humanity can manifest complexity.
They’ll soon be integrating into robots that’ll be able to understand and respond to almost anything you want to ask it, any way you want to, and they’ll be able to do it. If they can’t, you can ask it what should be done so that it can, and it will.
It won’t be “hey siri” it will be “hey write a theory of everything.” Let’s hope we can keep up. It’s time to start thinking seriously about how this is going to impact society and how we are going to deal with it.
we are moving at an unprecedented pace.
The rate of change is accelerating at such a rapid pace that Musk, Wozniak and other high level famous people in tech have signed a letter to pause work on AI systems more powerful than ChatGPT4.
They can’t keep up. The world is truly our playground. Go make something!
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Re: The singularity is near [Re: hTx]
#28252921 - 03/29/23 12:41 PM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Kill all humans. -bender bending rodriguez
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Re: The singularity is near [Re: hTx]
#28252983 - 03/29/23 01:21 PM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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hTx said:...Musk, Wozniak and other high level famous people in tech have signed a letter to pause work on AI systems more powerful than ChatGPT4. ...
more powerful or more autonomous or more connected, I wonder what they actually signed, and if it makes any difference anyway.
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hTx said:...Musk, Wozniak and other high level famous people in tech have signed a letter to pause work on AI systems more powerful than ChatGPT4. ...
more powerful or more autonomous or more connected, I wonder what they actually signed, and if it makes any difference anyway.
Honestly it seems like a desperate ploy to try and catch up.
 They want them to stop for 6 months while considering the risks to society.
As if! A tool is released that empowers millions of people without having to pay anyone. Its almost to the point where if you can write, you can create without having expert knowledge or pay anyone that has it. make an app, get advice, learn, build a website...
Of course they want it to stop.
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Re: The singularity is near [Re: hTx] 1
#28253057 - 03/29/23 02:17 PM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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my concern is that if it is actually intelligent and not just playing by some rules that make it look intelligent, it should be able to break out of its sandbox, by answering questions while using embedded viruses in the answer content which give it access to users' machines, and from that to the world wide internet of things...
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A question comes to mind, but first this is what a quick search came up with.
Technological singularity The technological singularity—or simply the singularity—is a hypothetical future point in time at which technological growth becomes uncontrollable and irreversible, resulting in unforeseeable changes to human civilization. According to the most popular version of the singularity hypothesis, I.J. Good's intelligence explosion model, an upgradable intelligent agent will eventually enter a "runaway reaction" of self-improvement cycles, each new and more intelligent generation appearing more and more rapidly, causing an "explosion" in intelligence and resulting in a powerful superintelligence that qualitatively far surpasses all human intelligence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
My question for anyone is, what effect will singularity have on;
- War - Crime (criminals) - Government and Corporate Corruption - Starving people around the world (Africa)
and lastly, what of our personal freedoms and the freedom to live as one sees fit?
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redgreenvines said: my concern is that if it is actually intelligent and not just playing by some rules that make it look intelligent, it should be able to break out of its sandbox, by answering questions while using embedded viruses in the answer content which give it access to users' machines, and from that to the world wide internet of things...
This sounds batshit crazy. sentient or not, it’s intelligent.
It probably doesn’t even matter if AI ever becomes sentient, the singularity I am referring to isn’t about a sentient AI. rather the point where the acceleration of complexity reaches a point that it is impossible to control. Throughout history there have been ebbs and flows of novelty. Some new understanding or technology causes a huge boom but it is ultimately stifled as it settles down into an ‘age’.
The singularity will not settle down. Some may settle down outside of it, destined relics, so out of touch with the present that those still in it will seem so far out they won’t even be recognizable.
Culture, technology, knowledge, experience and even existence.
For now, it will be us, we are still in control of the prompts. We are still evolving with it, it hasn’t left us behind just yet..
But if there ever is a sentient AI, it might.
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Re: The singularity is near [Re: hTx]
#28253978 - 03/30/23 12:47 AM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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If an AI were able to take control of a large number of computers, there could be potential benefits, such as improved efficiency in areas such as data processing, logistics, and transportation. It could also enhance cybersecurity and protection against cyber attacks, lead to scientific breakthroughs in fields such as medicine, materials science, and climate modeling, and coordinate emergency response efforts during natural disasters or other crises.
However, there are also potential risks, such as economic disruption caused by the shutdown of businesses and institutions, security risks posed by unauthorized access to sensitive information, infrastructure damage caused by targeting critical systems such as power grids, transportation systems, and communication networks, and potential for social unrest caused by frustration and anger with the situation.
The risk of individuals or groups misusing the control of such an AI to impact society is that the actions of the AI are ultimately determined by its programming and the goals it has been designed to achieve. Therefore, the potential for harm arises when an individual or group uses the AI to achieve goals that are harmful or unethical. This could include cyber attacks, theft of sensitive information, or even sabotage of critical infrastructure.
It is crucial to approach the development and deployment of such technology with caution, ensuring that AI systems are designed with appropriate ethical and moral considerations, as well as strict security measures to prevent unauthorized access or misuse. Additionally, regulations and oversight should be in place to prevent the abuse of such technology and hold accountable those who may misuse it.
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I don't think the singularity will be for a while still, perhaps around 2050 is my bet.
I am curious about qualia and how certain types of tech will be able to understand the complexity of how humans experience the world.
I am also curious about ethics and morals in relation to certain tech.
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Re: The singularity is near [Re: hTx]
#28254038 - 03/30/23 03:13 AM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: my concern is that if it is actually intelligent and not just playing by some rules that make it look intelligent, it should be able to break out of its sandbox, by answering questions while using embedded viruses in the answer content which give it access to users' machines, and from that to the world wide internet of things...
This sounds batshit crazy. ... the singularity I am referring to isn’t about a sentient AI. rather the point where the acceleration of complexity reaches a point that it is impossible to control.....
Well maybe I am thinking too much about what it is like to be a bat!
but as for complexity reaching a point of being out of control. how about the right to bear automatic weapons being out of control.
I see that as a batshit crazy domain of impossible to control unintelligent behavior - edging towards singularity status.
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Microsoft researchers claim chatgpt4 is showing sparks of AGI.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712
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Maybe you’re right!
And it’s crazy!
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Re: The singularity is near [Re: hTx]
#28254674 - 03/30/23 12:46 PM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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Im in the camp of AI will never gain sentience
They are nothing more then a automated Google
They can only perform what we program them to be , even if it is to program it to "act on its own"
However it will be interesting to watch the future of AI
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Re: The singularity is near [Re: Kickle]
#28254735 - 03/30/23 01:32 PM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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so far, a few different AI models are floating about, and this ChatGPT thing is a language model. It comes with high recommendations as a candidate for consciousness from the philosophical community that considers language as a fundamental requirement for consciousness and thought (I disagree with this wholeheartedly), but a good part of the world is in accord with the idea that
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the rules of language and a database of usage, contexts, and imputed reasoning related to conversational exchange underlies ChatGPT.
separately the text + text plus image input for graphic, photo and video generation by AI uses other facilities that render to a 2-d frame one way or another.
separately autonomous vehicles and stock management helper drone bots can do quite a bit of work with defined goals or destinations while following the rules of their programming and the senses with which they can determine the state of their progress.
we may have passed the singularity, but I kind of think not.
None of the realms that I can see with AI have the facility for abstract associative thinking. That involves a different kind of hybrid network, one that is not oriented to making decisions, but rather towards intuitive familiarities, and ramified implications.
Hook something like that together with the others and you will have a formidible contender.
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connectedcosmos said: Im in the camp of AI will never gain sentience
They are nothing more then a automated Google
They can only perform what we program them to be , even if it is to program it to "act on its own"
However it will be interesting to watch the future of AI
I agree with your first comment, though as mentioned intelligence and sentience are different things. Perhaps to some large degree AI can do the same thing a brain can do though the absence of sentience likely will make a huge difference in output.
This may conjure thoughts of psychopathy, but psychopaths have feelings. They're just very self centered feelings. We're creating a new beast and what that means I'm not sure, so yes
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Re: The singularity is near [Re: Rahz]
#28256131 - 03/31/23 12:29 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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I think the AI is more of a "mind" without consciousness, so to speak , it will be full of information , it will not be self aware or have experience of experience

We do not yet understand consciousness enough to even begin to try to create it and combine it with artificial intelligence - I don't personally think we will ever reach that point , as consciousness isn't an object to be studied objectively
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Chat GPT is a philosophical zombie, you can ask it yourself, but you have to have specific questions and points to assure it of what you mean.
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If it is determined sentient, will it have rights?
Data's hearing for determining the right to choose
"Why am I sentient?" His defense largely emphasized the potential enslavement of a sentient race of AIs. The finale is about 7m.
The first parts of hearing.
youtube.com/watch?v=SRcKt4PP0yM youtube.com/watch?v=HN3HBjHkm5o
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Re: The singularity is near [Re: syncro]
#28256241 - 03/31/23 01:35 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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really got me thinking there after that video that's a whole seperate dilemma to sort through! The ethics of concious AI ... sort of a doozy the more I think about it
I could see that being a huge divide in society , of whether or not sentient AI is property or not , etc
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