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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Kryptos]
    #28253932 - 03/29/23 11:54 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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The theatrics are the whole point of executions.

Also, considering one of the reasons they're considering firing squads is because they can't get any half-decently qualified people to be executioners and keep botching it...you really think it's gonna be all that painless to have a bunch of half-tard yokels plink away at you for however long it takes them to finally hit something important?




Yeah essentially you cannot retain a license to practice medicine if you participate in executions


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: koods]
    #28254075 - 03/30/23 04:36 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Why traumatize a squad of people with the uncertainty of potentially having killed someone?



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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Asante]
    #28254234 - 03/30/23 07:53 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

I think you'd have a good amount of volunteers. Not many repeats, though.

And yes, they will probably need therapy. Or alcohol.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Kryptos]
    #28254245 - 03/30/23 08:00 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

In Utopia, happy slaves were used for all hunting and butchering activities because Thomas Moore thought that killing and chopping up animals desensitizes people to violence. As someone who has killed and chopped up fish and such many times, I think he's probably right, to an extent.  Like, I don't especially like killing them if I can help it but it doesn't cause me any particular distress either.

In other words, it would naturally be a more accepted method in rural areas with hunting traditions.  If you can kill Bambi('s mom), you can kill a murderer or some such, right?


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #28254320 - 03/30/23 08:56 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Ideally we'd just stop incardinating 1% of the population and start some sort of real reform practices. Death penalty's are also massively expensive. It's cheaper to put the person in a cage for their entire life. And let's be honest, our legal system is hardly just or fair.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #28254322 - 03/30/23 08:58 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

One of the biggest reasons for the development of the Final Solution was the psychological effects of mass executions. Participating in the executions was entirely voluntary, and most Wehrmacht and SS soldiers did volunteer. However, officers noted that most soldiers could only carry out one or two executions before they refused to carry out any more executions, and became significantly withdrawn and less capable even on the battlefield.

A very small minority of soldiers were capable of as many as a dozen executions before they cracked.

So while I do think you'll have a bunch of gung ho volunteers ready to pull the trigger the first time, they will not be there the second time. And good chance that the ones that did pull the trigger the first time will be pretty messed up afterwards. Even the veterans that have seen some shit will likely be messed up. There is a very big difference between shooting Bambi or shooting someone trying to kill you, and shooting someone who presents no threat and is unarmed.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Kryptos]
    #28254382 - 03/30/23 09:22 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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If you live in the US, that's not an entirely unreasonable scenario.




True.

But more true in many other parts of the world.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: christopera]
    #28254391 - 03/30/23 09:27 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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Ideally we'd just stop incardinating 1% of the population and start some sort of real reform practices. Death penalty's are also massively expensive. It's cheaper to put the person in a cage for their entire life. And let's be honest, our legal system is hardly just or fair.




I think lifers should have a choice. Life in prison, or firing squad. Personally, I'd rather die than spend the rest of my life in prison.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28254398 - 03/30/23 09:32 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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If you live in the US, that's not an entirely unreasonable scenario.




True.

But more true in many other parts of the world.




Yeah, I guess the gun violence rate in eastern Ukraine is statistically a bit higher than in the US right now.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Kryptos]
    #28254443 - 03/30/23 10:01 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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If you live in the US, that's not an entirely unreasonable scenario.




True.

But more true in many other parts of the world.




Yeah, I guess the gun violence rate in eastern Ukraine is statistically a bit higher than in the US right now.




I didn't say the "White Western world". I said the world.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28254478 - 03/30/23 10:28 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

I mean, you've got what, Ukraine, Venezuela, Brazil...that's about it for places with more gun violence than the US.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Kryptos]
    #28254498 - 03/30/23 10:37 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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I mean, you've got what, Ukraine, Venezuela, Brazil...that's about it for places with more gun violence than the US.




That's an exhaustive list, huh?

Fun fact, the majority of gun deaths in the US are suicides.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: christopera]
    #28254536 - 03/30/23 11:01 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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Ideally we'd just stop incardinating 1% of the population and start some sort of real reform practices. Death penalty's are also massively expensive. It's cheaper to put the person in a cage for their entire life. And let's be honest, our legal system is hardly just or fair.




And lose out on slave labor? Get real bucko


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28254571 - 03/30/23 11:21 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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I mean, you've got what, Ukraine, Venezuela, Brazil...that's about it for places with more gun violence than the US.




Without looking up the latest stats, Guatamala, Mexico, El Salvador, Swaziland, and South Africa all come to mind.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #28254573 - 03/30/23 11:23 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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I mean, you've got what, Ukraine, Venezuela, Brazil...that's about it for places with more gun violence than the US.




Without looking up the latest stats, Guatamala, Mexico, El Salvador, Swaziland, and South Africa all come to mind.





If we’re not counting active war zones then it’s typically those half dozen South American countries, Mexico, Brazil, and us.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28254576 - 03/30/23 11:25 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Mexico oscillates above and below us, Mexico was safer than the US five years ago. I guess it depends on how many Texans need a little extra cash to make rent that month.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Kryptos]
    #28254589 - 03/30/23 11:31 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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Mexico oscillates above and below us, Mexico was safer than the US five years ago. I guess it depends on how many Texans need a little extra cash to make rent that month.




I have doubts about the accuracy of that statement. IIRC Mexico's homicide rate was something like 26 compared to something like 4 in the U.S. 5 years ago

Hard to believe there were enough ax murders to overcome 5hat kind of discrepancy.

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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28254727 - 03/30/23 01:28 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

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Mexico oscillates above and below us, Mexico was safer than the US five years ago. I guess it depends on how many Texans need a little extra cash to make rent that month.




I have doubts about the accuracy of that statement. IIRC Mexico's homicide rate was something like 26 compared to something like 4 in the U.S. 5 years ago

Hard to believe there were enough ax murders to overcome 5hat kind of discrepancy.

I may be misremembering.




You have an impeccable memory, ballsauce. Like I said, the majority of gun deaths in America are suicides. That skews the numbers, so people can make claims like the claim kryptos was making.


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28254944 - 03/30/23 03:46 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Do suicides normally not count as death?


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Re: Firing Squad Death Penalty [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28257714 - 04/01/23 02:13 PM (9 months, 22 days ago)

Most people aren't thinking about self inflicted violence when they hear the term 'gun violence'.  Regardless, guns may happen to be convenient, effective and reliable instruments of suicide but so are ropes, fumes and gasses of various kinds and leaps off of very tall structures.  To my knowledge there are no classifications for rope violence or nitrogen violence w/re to suicide so I'm not sure why guns should be the exception here.


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