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OfflineMilkyMedia
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San Pedro?
    #2825176 - 06/24/04 09:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I noticed these guys coming out of some bushes of a neighbors. They are about 5-7 feet tall. This was as close as I could get without jumping the fence. I was curious if they are San Pedro. Are those fuzzies old or new flowers? Is it possible to get seeds from them?



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Re: San Pedro? [Re: MilkyMedia]
    #2825222 - 06/24/04 09:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

textbook Trichocereus; probably pachanoi. little ovewrwatered perhaps but quite beautiful.

why not talk to your nieghbor about aquiring a cutting (unless you are wanting the experience of growing them from seed?).


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: MilkyMedia]
    #2825280 - 06/24/04 09:31 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

they look like pedro's to me. very nice.


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: MilkyMedia]
    #2825396 - 06/24/04 10:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

They might be pedros but I'm thinking they may not be. The ribs look a little funny to me. With a better photo it would be possible to be more sure. The fluffy stuff may be dead flowers or something. The ribs just look strange. It does look like a trich of some sort.

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Re: San Pedro? [Re: MilkyMedia]
    #2825477 - 06/24/04 10:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i'm pretty sure they're pedros.
ask your neighbor for a cutting! =D


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: MilkyMedia]
    #2825528 - 06/24/04 10:50 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

they kinda look like emerging flowers to me.

p.s. def a pedro


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2826105 - 06/25/04 12:58 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

pale green stem + small to no spines + round ribs + 'stair steps' arranged areoles + fuzzy/hairy buttons/(white)flowers = san pedro!!!


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Edited by felixhigh (06/25/04 01:00 AM)


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: MilkyMedia]
    #2826731 - 06/25/04 04:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

THey are of the genera cereus, and are not Trichocereus pachanoi (San Pedro).

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Re: San Pedro? *DELETED* [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2826745 - 06/25/04 04:29 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: San Pedro? [Re: Anonymous]
    #2827933 - 06/25/04 02:04 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

'm gonna go crawl under a rock or something : P


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: Anonymous]
    #2828055 - 06/25/04 02:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i can't believe you and MJ don't.

MJ: would you be gracious enough to let us in on how you can be certain of cerues as the genus? i see no indication that the specimen pictured is anything other than a trich [with the exeption that at least one authority seems to want most of Trichocereus transfered into Cereus]; it shows all the keys i can see without seeing a mature flower, and the areolae seem to have short spines.


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: MilkyMedia]
    #2828092 - 06/25/04 02:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'd like to see a better picture, i'm not entirely certain it's a pedro, it most definitely could be a cereus.


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: neuro]
    #2828113 - 06/25/04 02:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

it may not be a T. pachanoi and it may not even be a Trich, but i see evidence that it is and no evidence that it's not.

if MJ would just tell me how he knows it's a cereus i'd rest a lot easier.


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: canid]
    #2828154 - 06/25/04 03:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i don't see that the evidence points either way, to me it seems like we need more evidence, that is a better pic. What can be seen from the pic can be interpretted eitherway depending on what you'd like it to be unconsciously. I'd say the evidence is ambivalent and not specific at this point. I think people are just seeing what they think they'd like to for the time being.

Cause if someone were to show me a pic on the street i'd have to tell them i honestly have no idea based on the picture.


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: MilkyMedia]
    #2828451 - 06/25/04 04:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What made me decide it probably wasn't a pedro was the ribs. Take another look at them. Notice how deep the valleys are and how narrow the ribs are at the tips and how the ribs go straight down and then you have that wide valley. I've never seen a pedro like that. If they are well watered, the valleys kind of fill in and the tip of the rib does not stand out like that. If they are poorly watered you see the ribs more but they do not have that wide valley. Show me a pic of a genuine pedro with those ribs and valleys. There are lots of cacti that look pretty close to pedro that are no good to use. Some of them are even poisonous.

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Re: San Pedro? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #2828459 - 06/25/04 04:57 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Euphorbias bleed white.


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: MilkyMedia]
    #2828565 - 06/25/04 05:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I've grown San Pedro's (Trichocereus pachanoi) for several years, and to me the pic looks like a San Pedro, but I would say perhaps a bit UNDER-watered.

If I went by the appearance of the lower portion of the stalks, I might say Cereus peruvianus, because the ribs appear thin. However, looking near the tips of the stalks, I can make out the fat ribs of a San Pedro. The "stair-step" appearance of the aeroles is an indicator of San Pedro as well.

My vote: Trichocereus pachanoi.

(Ask for a cutting, don't just take one.)

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Re: San Pedro? [Re: MilkyMedia]
    #2828805 - 06/25/04 07:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cactaceae/Cereus_repandus.html

other varieties of cereus it may be is the stenogonus or fricii. I didn't see pics of each variety and there is about 30 of them.

The ribs way more narrow than any dehydrated s pedro I've seen.

http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cactaceae/Trichocereus_pachanoi.html

I'm siding with mj on this...
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Re: San Pedro? [Re: wandrnshaman]
    #2828914 - 06/25/04 08:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Take a look at that second link wandrnshaman gave and compare it to the photo in question and you should see the difference. True san pedro ribs are fat and the one in the photo up top does not look under watered but the ribs are thin. I would not rule out it being psychoactive but I don't think its a pachanoi.


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Re: San Pedro? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #2829041 - 06/25/04 10:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

the ribs are thin but this can be genetic as well as environmental. not all T. pachanoi look exactly as the classic forms. my baby has verry thin and drawn looking ribs in places and it recieves average watering. what led me to state that it looked overwatered is the lighter green coloration. what is improtant (because it is a key feature and consstent) about the rib profile is the rounded/blunted edges of the ribs.

i would like to see a picture of the grothcap[s] and a closeup of an areola, showing acurate color.

neuro: the evidence [as in the key features that are discenrable in the photo] does point to Trichocereus, it is only not conclusive.

i would be happy to eat some humble pie if we can establish the genus and i am wrong. it was presumptuous ofme to say "textbook Trichocereus", but it certanly is compelling from where i sit.

does anybody have a source for a somewhat authoritative key to the Cactaceae?


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