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I have a queston regarding extraction
    #28249526 - 03/27/23 03:55 PM (1 year, 1 day ago)

This may seem a dumb one tho.
What might happen to the basification of the alcaloids if, for instance, someone is reading about an extraction process that details about using a NaOH solution of 100 g/L of water and due to measuring mistakes that person creates a 98 g/L one? Wont they be soluble in the solvent? Regarding a san pedro extraction, is it normal if an emulsion isnt created?



This is the extraction of the shredded (or poorly powdered) matter

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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Camical] * 2
    #28249735 - 03/27/23 06:07 PM (1 year, 1 day ago)

Pretty sure 2 less grams won't ruin the extraction. But I'm no expert on such matters.

Did you finish the extraction. Did you get an unexpected result

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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Abombs] * 1
    #28249818 - 03/27/23 06:54 PM (1 year, 1 day ago)

100g in a litre of water is a waste of about 60g of lye. With my water hardness I measure pH14 at ~40g/L.

Emulsions are generally bad. If you don't have one that's a good thing.


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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Abombs]
    #28249882 - 03/27/23 07:42 PM (1 year, 1 day ago)

Not yet. When I do I'll add it to my other extraction post, thank you

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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Northerner]
    #28249885 - 03/27/23 07:43 PM (1 year, 1 day ago)

I wouldnt know. In order to make the alcaloids soluble in water do we need to reach a pH of 14?

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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Camical]
    #28249896 - 03/27/23 07:51 PM (1 year, 1 day ago)

Depends which alkaloids, many don't need that much... aqueous solution doesn't go over 14 though.

Get some litmus strips.

I urge you here to research and understand what you are doing. You are just following instructions but not digging at the why or how. With a bit of reading it will ease the process for you and help avoid many tears, and give you great success.


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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Northerner]
    #28250451 - 03/28/23 06:20 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

Well, yeah, that's why I trying to do asking things here. I use that amount of lye since every guide I have found uses a similar ammount, but If you tell me that with 40g/L is enough for your extraction, then I'll try it with that concentration next time

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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Camical] * 1
    #28251207 - 03/28/23 01:50 PM (1 year, 1 day ago)

That's what is needed for my water hardness to achieve pH14, I'm not telling you what to do. Which is why I say you need litmus strips, to test the pH of your solutions. They cost about a dollar.

Think about this:

What is your target pH? Why?
There's no need to bring your pH to 14 if your alkaloids convert to freebase at 12. Look up what you are working with. What are you actually trying to achieve by basifying your solution?

Then once you have achieved that...

Your target alkaloids have the greatest solubility in which solvent? Is that a safe solvent? What is that solubility? What temperature is this achieved at? How much solvent do you need to use?

By knowing this you will use the right solvent for the job, prevent yourself by having your alkaloids far too diluted and struggling to get them out and avoid missing them and leaving them behind in your basic solution.

See, asking questions about what you are doing and then figuring out what you need, for your situation, with your materials, will save you a lot of drama and lead you to success. Mescaline extraction is slightly harder than other extractions and by understanding what you are actually trying to do you will be able to correct yourself as you go.


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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Northerner]
    #28251300 - 03/28/23 02:40 PM (1 year, 1 day ago)

:buzzaldrin::okiapprove:


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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28251598 - 03/28/23 05:38 PM (1 year, 22 hours ago)

I'm trying to teach the guy to fish Blue_Lux, if you just want to feed him go ahead. You can keep doing that forever. I won't stand in the way.


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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Northerner]
    #28252542 - 03/29/23 07:21 AM (1 year, 8 hours ago)

ok different question:

i want to make san pedro powder in the near future... i already know how to cut it but am not sure how to proceed from there... should i cook the flesh and then dry and pulverize it? or should i just take the fresh flesh and put it in a food dehydrator, which i would buy for that purpose (and for drying shrooms)..?

boil and dry or just dry?


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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: epilectric] * 1
    #28252572 - 03/29/23 07:50 AM (1 year, 7 hours ago)

Just dry it.

Don't dry if you're going to extract, freeze then cook.


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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Northerner] * 2
    #28252692 - 03/29/23 09:04 AM (1 year, 6 hours ago)

Don't want to derail this thread too much, but I look at this and think it looks more complicated than it needs to be. Have you checked out CIELO tek?

I ended up with the below extract and it's fairly easy to get there.



https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/CIELO


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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Northerner]
    #28252757 - 03/29/23 10:04 AM (1 year, 5 hours ago)

:lol::fancycook:

Lol, what you wrote was really funny to me for some reason. :rofl::flowers::bowdown::bananadance::yourock::bow2::voila:

Edited by Blue_Lux (03/29/23 10:08 AM)

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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Fridgedoor]
    #28253200 - 03/29/23 03:58 PM (11 months, 23 days ago)

Quote:

Fridgedoor said:
Don't want to derail this thread too much, but I look at this and think it looks more complicated than it needs to be. Have you checked out CIELO tek?

I ended up with the below extract and it's fairly easy to get there.



https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/CIELO



That's a well detailed tek, I like it.


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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Northerner]
    #28350414 - 06/07/23 05:00 AM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Quote:

Northerner said:
Quote:

Fridgedoor said:
Don't want to derail this thread too much, but I look at this and think it looks more complicated than it needs to be. Have you checked out CIELO tek?

I ended up with the below extract and it's fairly easy to get there.



https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/CIELO



That's a well detailed tek, I like it.




Thank you!

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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Northerner]
    #28351044 - 06/07/23 03:14 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

quick question here... I'm not planning to extract any Mescaline, but with the CIELO Tek, is it pure mesc or close to it? I read recently that Mescaline is highly stable and won't degrade in potency very fast like shrooms or weed can do. Is that true?

How long will the crystals created by CIELO stay potent if stored correctly? Any first hand experiences welcomed. I'm talking like... in 10 years kind of deal. Or even 3 years?

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Re: I have a queston regarding extraction [Re: Muffin_Man]
    #28417057 - 08/02/23 05:44 AM (7 months, 22 days ago)

NMR showed 98% pure compound from the TEK.

I think a good guess for shelf life would be unlimited if stored reaonably well (air sealed and in the dark) because mescaline salt is stable. I could be wrong and someone else may have more info.

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