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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Rahz]
    #28397666 - 07/16/23 12:30 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

The only reason the individuals I mentioned stood out was because they were on the far end of fucked up. They were products of society like we all are. That they wanted to create their own society, wanted to be special, wanted to stick out, stand out, whatever you want to call it didn't make them better people.

But they did not stand out since what their ideology was built on was originated in society. They built principles on belief systems which was made up by people way before those sect-believers were even born.

And they did not stand out in their own crowd either because if they did, they would no longer be a sect/cult/mumbo jumbo-leader.


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28397699 - 07/16/23 12:48 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

When you are standing out from society/science/religion is when you are being perceived as something completely novel that has not yet been known or thought about in any human being on planet Earth.



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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28397714 - 07/16/23 12:58 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Basic disagreement on what it means to stand out. You're free to make your definitions as narrow as you like.

Technology advances but in a social sense there's not a lot of novelty. Plenty of hubris. Plenty of crowds worshiping idols. Standing out while in the center of a crowd probably feels alright but what is the point of such perceptions?


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Rahz]
    #28397889 - 07/16/23 04:07 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Is a person standing out when (s)he claim facts the rest find ludicrous or how about a man wearing a pink shirt with pink pants and pink shoes?

If that is so, eventually we all stand out and the power of standing out loses its meaning.


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Rahz]
    #28397898 - 07/16/23 04:17 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

To a gorilla or chimpanzee standing out means being the alpha male.

It is the same for humans, maybe not being an alpha male but a novel genius.


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28397954 - 07/16/23 05:45 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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Pinkerton said:
Is a person standing out when (s)he claim facts the rest find ludicrous or how about a man wearing a pink shirt with pink pants and pink shoes?

If that is so, eventually we all stand out and the power of standing out loses its meaning.




Agreed. That's what I meant by it being common, nothing new under the Sun. Following one's interest wherever it may lead is one thing, wanting to stand out or be special is another. 

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Pinkerton said:
To a gorilla or chimpanzee standing out means being the alpha male.

It is the same for humans, maybe not being an alpha male but a novel genius.




There's something to be said for having enough wealth to support more than one's self and for following interests, but beyond that I don't see the point. Reminds me of Breadfan by Budgie, or Lennon singing about no possessions, who's net worth at death adjusted for inflation was over a billion. I suppose he had to imagine it :lol:


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Rahz]
    #28398467 - 07/17/23 08:38 AM (6 months, 8 days ago)

I think it is important to note how one person stands out from humanity as a whole.


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28398651 - 07/17/23 11:30 AM (6 months, 8 days ago)

If one person stands out from the whole of humanity, the person in pink clothing cannot be regarded the same title "standing out".

It is like a person having $50 in his/her bank account calling him/herself rich compared to the truly rich.


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28398669 - 07/17/23 11:45 AM (6 months, 8 days ago)

^ the same applies to cult/sect/mumbo jumbo leaders.


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28398712 - 07/17/23 12:24 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Although we tend to ignore what does not stand out, it is because we are accustomed to a figure ground type of observing.
this means
that the fields we are observing form a pattern, a steady pattern, and that is maintained so as to cancel out all that is unchanging.
If a predator is moving in the background, it will pop out (stand out) from the field of swaying grasses. This will be easily noticeable, and it can shock us into defensive maneuvers, or it can become part of the "unchanging overal view of the field".

standing out of the crowd is the same. it is first noticed and considered as a threat, but if it is not a threat, then what is it, and if not interesting, then it becomes part of the scenery once again, and if it stands out it stands out as noise in the background.

Even if you were a predator, it would make sense to move very slowly (with the crowd or the tall grasses) so as not to stand out.

If you fall out of bed right into the mall in your pajamas, you will stand out, but it wont be good even if you get attention from people who don't think you are just noise.

But if you make something beautiful, you may stand out in a different more interesting way.

If you feel that you cannot blend in, then figure out what you want:
either you may be noise or you may be interesting?


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28398733 - 07/17/23 12:51 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Quote:

Pinkerton said:
I think it is important to note how one person stands out from humanity as a whole.

If one person stands out from the whole of humanity, the person in pink clothing cannot be regarded the same title "standing out".

It is like a person having $50 in his/her bank account calling him/herself rich compared to the truly rich.

^ the same applies to cult/sect/mumbo jumbo leaders.




Okay, so you have a specific meaning to standing out.

Why is it important to note how one person stands out from humanity as a whole? I think there are a bunch of truly rich people, so what is the purpose in noting how the truly rich stand out?


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #28398800 - 07/17/23 01:31 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Okay, so you have a specific meaning to standing out.

What specific meaning?

Why is it important to note how one person stands out from humanity as a whole?

This person knows how to stand out like no one else. The serial killers you mentioned did not stand out, they were just abnormal in comparison.

It is like a person doing bench press 70kg claiming him/herself to lift a lot compared to a body builder lifting 600kg.

I think there are a bunch of truly rich people, so what is the purpose in noting how the truly rich stand out?

Wow, do you think I think rich people stand out? LOL. They are just like anyone else.

I was merely using rich people as example.


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28398822 - 07/17/23 01:48 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

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What specific meaning?




Your specific meaning is more narrow in scope than what "standing out" actually means which can have a variety of connotations.

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Wow, do you think I think rich people stand out? ... I was merely using rich people as example.




You were using them as an example of standing out... but you don't think they stand out.

:spock:

I'm going to digress from this conversation.


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Rahz]
    #28398861 - 07/17/23 02:21 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Your specific meaning is more narrow in scope than what "standing out" actually means which can have a variety of connotations.

To stand out for me is to stand out of humanity as a whole.

You were using them as an example of standing out... but you don't think they stand out.

I did not use rich people as people standing out, I was merely using them as an example of hierarchy.

I'm going to digress from this conversation.

Not sure if you are paying attention to what I am writing.

Have a good one regardless, Rahz. I dig ya! :heart:


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28398864 - 07/17/23 02:25 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Anyone can "stand out" on a stage and in the spotlight but are they really standing out? Or is it the same egotistical drivel we have seen since dawn of man?


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28398925 - 07/17/23 03:26 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Again, it depends on what you mean by stand out. A yellow duck among gray ducks stands out simply because it's a different color like the guy with pink pants.

When a word is too expansive there's usually another word that's more specific to the intended meaning. Elon Musk is famous while the guy in the pink pants isn't.

Not everyone likes Elon. I don't particularly care about fame. Everyone has their particulars, but for instance I appreciate the Beatles for their musical contribution. But does Lennon stand out as a person? I suppose he was a decent fellow for the most part but so are a lot of non-famous people and a lot of famous people aren't as together as they shape their image to be. Some people who are notably absent egotistical drivel don't stand out at all, except perhaps for the few who know them well.


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Rahz]
    #28399589 - 07/18/23 10:25 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

Again, it depends on what you mean by stand out.

I describe someone standing out as a novel genius doing something no other human being has done before him/her.

A yellow duck among gray ducks stands out simply because it's a different color like the guy with pink pants.

The duck is different/abnormal.

What about the duck missing an ear, the one that smells bad, the gay duck. Are they all standing out?

The picture I posted with a yellow duck in it was just a reflection of standing completely out of the crowd, I saw no one else being different/abnormal in that picture, thus the yellow duck is standing out.

When a word is too expansive there's usually another word that's more specific to the intended meaning.

In regards to standing out: if one is able to prove supernatural stuff, should they be in the "stand out-category" as a human speaking 10 languages or a human with one leg?

Elon Musk is famous while the guy in the pink pants isn't.

What is your point?


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
    #28399659 - 07/18/23 11:32 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

These are all different ways of standing out, being different, unusual. Your definition, or at least the one you're trying to emphasize in this conversation is a genius doing something novel.

Famous is a category people/society generally agrees on of known individuals who stand out in some way. "Novel genius" would be a subset if we assume all novel geniuses were famous/stood out to society.

The point has been cooperating on semantics. I was making the point that "standing out" doesn't have a specific connotation beyond being unusual and noticeable. Both common and uncommon depending on the context. Perhaps dumb depending on the way in which a person stands out.

I can agree that standing out as a novel genius isn't dumb.:thumbup:


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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Rahz]
    #28399668 - 07/18/23 11:42 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Rahz]
    #28399821 - 07/18/23 02:16 PM (6 months, 7 days ago)

These are all different ways of standing out, being different, unusual. Your definition, or at least the one you're trying to emphasize in this conversation is a genius doing something novel.

So if a man wears pink pants and another man wears yellow pants. How much does the man in pink pants stand out contra the man with yellow pants? Do you have a metric for this?

If a person looking different having a huge birthmark on its face and another person can levitate. What is the metric then?

Famous is a category people/society generally agrees on of known individuals who stand out in some way. "Novel genius" would be a subset if we assume all novel geniuses were famous/stood out to society.

Anyone can be famous and anyone can stand out according to anyone. If your neighbor greets you, then you might as well call yourself famous and thus "standing out".

The point has been cooperating on semantics. I was making the point that "standing out" doesn't have a specific connotation beyond being unusual and noticeable. Both common and uncommon depending on the context. Perhaps dumb depending on the way in which a person stands out.

I can agree that standing out as a novel genius isn't dumb.:thumbup:


If a human being stands out as being human in itself that same human is authentic and naturally the man with pink pants cannot stand out because the authentic human is "all that". The authentic human sets the bar for what it means to stand out as a human being. Everything that is authentic sets the standard. Of undisputed origin.

I enjoy this discussion. Thanks Rahz! :heart:


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