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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28243114 - 03/23/23 02:28 PM (10 months, 11 hours ago) |
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28396484 - 07/15/23 01:12 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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Depends on what's standing out.
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28396712 - 07/15/23 04:47 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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Pinkerton said: Give me an example where standing out is something negative. I am not saying you cannot do it.
Jim Jones, Charles Manson, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite off the top of my head.
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28397206 - 07/16/23 05:55 AM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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They really stood out.
By part of the system what do you mean? Isn't everything interconnected?
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28397295 - 07/16/23 07:45 AM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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You asked for an example. I gave you several. They certainly stood out. Now you're changing the metric.
Is there anything new under the Sun?
I remember a friend who as a young man was feeling full of himself, threw his hands out and proclaimed that he was the next evolution.
Hubris doesn't last unless one has enough money to insulate themselves from the world.
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton] 1
#28397606 - 07/16/23 11:57 AM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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You spew arrogance, as if me and this young man are somehow alike. The way you squeezed in the "young man"-phrase makes me think you feel insecure.
The only reason the individuals I mentioned stood out was because they were on the far end of fucked up. They were products of society like we all are. That they wanted to create their own society, wanted to be special, wanted to stick out, stand out, whatever you want to call it didn't make them better people.
But people with messianic complexes are a dime a dozen. It's all common. Wanting to stand out is a matter of hubris and is common. It's good to have a handful of good friends. Beyond that I don't gaf who has crowd. What would be impressive would be getting off that trip.
Being common, there's a shared sense of struggle. Don't have to hide that we're all mortals doing the best we can to fly without our wings constantly melting off.
And the friend I mentioned was a young man at the time, and such behavior is more common in youth. Common. And yes it did remind me of you.
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28397714 - 07/16/23 12:58 PM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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Basic disagreement on what it means to stand out. You're free to make your definitions as narrow as you like.
Technology advances but in a social sense there's not a lot of novelty. Plenty of hubris. Plenty of crowds worshiping idols. Standing out while in the center of a crowd probably feels alright but what is the point of such perceptions?
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28397954 - 07/16/23 05:45 PM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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Pinkerton said: Is a person standing out when (s)he claim facts the rest find ludicrous or how about a man wearing a pink shirt with pink pants and pink shoes?
If that is so, eventually we all stand out and the power of standing out loses its meaning.
Agreed. That's what I meant by it being common, nothing new under the Sun. Following one's interest wherever it may lead is one thing, wanting to stand out or be special is another.
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Pinkerton said: To a gorilla or chimpanzee standing out means being the alpha male.
It is the same for humans, maybe not being an alpha male but a novel genius.
There's something to be said for having enough wealth to support more than one's self and for following interests, but beyond that I don't see the point. Reminds me of Breadfan by Budgie, or Lennon singing about no possessions, who's net worth at death adjusted for inflation was over a billion. I suppose he had to imagine it
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28398733 - 07/17/23 12:51 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Pinkerton said: I think it is important to note how one person stands out from humanity as a whole.
If one person stands out from the whole of humanity, the person in pink clothing cannot be regarded the same title "standing out".
It is like a person having $50 in his/her bank account calling him/herself rich compared to the truly rich.
^ the same applies to cult/sect/mumbo jumbo leaders.
Okay, so you have a specific meaning to standing out.
Why is it important to note how one person stands out from humanity as a whole? I think there are a bunch of truly rich people, so what is the purpose in noting how the truly rich stand out?
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28398822 - 07/17/23 01:48 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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What specific meaning?
Your specific meaning is more narrow in scope than what "standing out" actually means which can have a variety of connotations.
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Wow, do you think I think rich people stand out? ... I was merely using rich people as example.
You were using them as an example of standing out... but you don't think they stand out.

I'm going to digress from this conversation.
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28398925 - 07/17/23 03:26 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Again, it depends on what you mean by stand out. A yellow duck among gray ducks stands out simply because it's a different color like the guy with pink pants.
When a word is too expansive there's usually another word that's more specific to the intended meaning. Elon Musk is famous while the guy in the pink pants isn't.
Not everyone likes Elon. I don't particularly care about fame. Everyone has their particulars, but for instance I appreciate the Beatles for their musical contribution. But does Lennon stand out as a person? I suppose he was a decent fellow for the most part but so are a lot of non-famous people and a lot of famous people aren't as together as they shape their image to be. Some people who are notably absent egotistical drivel don't stand out at all, except perhaps for the few who know them well.
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton] 1
#28399659 - 07/18/23 11:32 AM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
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These are all different ways of standing out, being different, unusual. Your definition, or at least the one you're trying to emphasize in this conversation is a genius doing something novel.
Famous is a category people/society generally agrees on of known individuals who stand out in some way. "Novel genius" would be a subset if we assume all novel geniuses were famous/stood out to society.
The point has been cooperating on semantics. I was making the point that "standing out" doesn't have a specific connotation beyond being unusual and noticeable. Both common and uncommon depending on the context. Perhaps dumb depending on the way in which a person stands out.
I can agree that standing out as a novel genius isn't dumb.
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28399842 - 07/18/23 02:31 PM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
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There are metrics but there's also a subjective component. One person may think Niki Minja stands out because she's their favorite musician while another person thinks she's just one of many hip hop artists. In a metric sense Niki Minja stands out because she's made more/is more famous than the average hip hop artist.
It's the same with wearing colored pants. A guy with pink pants will stand out in a room of people wearing yellow pants, while a guy with yellow pants will stand out in a room of people with pink pants. If half the people are wearing pink pants and half are wearing yellow pants nobody in particular will stand out, unless someone is wearing a gold lame hat when everyone else is hatless.
Famous could mean well known on a local level but is generally meant to indicate a more widespread knowledge of someone.
Anyway, pink pants will generally make a person stand out with the idea being that it's not a typical fashion choice. This may indicate they're will to make bold fashion moves so the "standing out" could be seen as more than just appearance. OTOH, my opinion is that fashion choice isn't important and being bold with fashion isn't particularly noteworthy.
And I would argue that being authentic is one way of standing out to you. Also, a person can be authentic without standing out or being a novel genius. Sometimes it's better to just be specific. Novel genius is novel genius. Authentic is authentic. Fools wearing pink pants are fools wearing pink pants.
One could put forth a case either way as to whether Thomas Edison was authentic while acknowledging he was a skilled inventor. My opinion is that he was more worried about making money and being famous than Tesla, based on the documentaries I've watched. He publicly electrocuted a dog with AC to discredit Tesla's work which seems inauthentic to me.
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28399875 - 07/18/23 02:57 PM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
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I don't believe in God.
Humans decide what the words they use mean.
I guess a good question, to avoid getting into hypotheticals, would be, why do you want standing out to be something undisputable?
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Re: I get these intense feelings [Re: Pinkerton]
#28400741 - 07/19/23 01:15 PM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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Again, it depends on what metric one applies to "standing out" and it's going to have a subjective aspect.
Is there a "most" novel genius? Or "most" authentic person?
I'm not going to worship anyone regardless.
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