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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Enlil]
    #28242863 - 03/23/23 11:30 AM (10 months, 10 hours ago)

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The deep state is conspiracy nutter fiction




Why is that?

When I use the term "deep state", I'm just referring to members of government agencies who are not elected, and hold high level positions in government institutions, potentially for a very long time, as they do not have terms.


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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28242879 - 03/23/23 11:38 AM (10 months, 10 hours ago)

Almost all high level agency management positions are political appointees


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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: koods]
    #28242890 - 03/23/23 11:43 AM (10 months, 10 hours ago)

And the ones who are not have virtually zero power outside of their own tiny little sphere of management.


Far from being any kind of "state"


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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Enlil]
    #28242911 - 03/23/23 12:01 PM (10 months, 9 hours ago)

It doesn't really matter either way.

The fact of the matter is, Assange has reason to believe he would not receive a fair trial. If the government is going to bring charges against him for publishing the things that he published, they should also bring charges against all of the other journalists who published the same things.

It is an assault on free speech. If they want to try him for hacking, even though he didn't hack anything, I have much less objection to that.

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Major News Outlets Urge U.S. to Drop Its Charges Against Assange

In a joint letter, news organizations warned that the indictment of Julian Assange “sets a dangerous precedent” that could chill reporting about matters of national security.

WASHINGTON — The New York Times and four European news organizations called on the United States government on Monday to drop its charges against Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder, for obtaining and publishing classified diplomatic and military secrets.

In a joint open letter, The Times, The Guardian, Le Monde, Der Spiegel and El País said the prosecution of Mr. Assange under the Espionage Act “sets a dangerous precedent” that threatened to undermine the First Amendment and the freedom of the press.

Obtaining and disclosing sensitive information when necessary in the public interest is a core part of the daily work of journalists,” the letter said. “If that work is criminalized, our public discourse and our democracies are made significantly weaker.”

Mr. Assange, who has been fighting extradition from Britain since his arrest there in 2019, is also accused of participating in a hacking-related conspiracy. The letter notably did not urge the Justice Department to drop that aspect of the case, though it said that “some of us are concerned” about it, too.

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The open letter notes that the Obama administration had weighed charging Mr. Assange in connection with the Manning leaks but did not do so — in part because there was no clear way to legally distinguish WikiLeaks’ actions from those of traditional news organizations like The Times that write about national security matters.

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There is no precedent in the United States for prosecuting a publisher of information — as opposed to a spy or a government official who leaked secrets — under the Espionage Act. The Trump administration’s decision to bring such charges against Mr. Assange raised novel and profound questions about the meaning of the First Amendment.

For now, those issues have not been tested in court because the case is paused while Mr. Assange fights extradition. But the open letter called on the Justice Department to drop the Espionage Act charges.

“Holding governments accountable is part of the core mission of a free press in a democracy,” the letter said.




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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28242929 - 03/23/23 12:13 PM (10 months, 9 hours ago)

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It is an assault on free speech.



I know you've convinced yourself of that.  Can you point out the paragraphs in the indictment that are about punishing speech?


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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Enlil]
    #28242939 - 03/23/23 12:19 PM (10 months, 9 hours ago)

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It is an assault on free speech.



I know you've convinced yourself of that.  Can you point out the paragraphs in the indictment that are about punishing speech?




Every paragraph that doesn't involve "hacking".


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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28242953 - 03/23/23 12:28 PM (10 months, 9 hours ago)

Thank you for confirming your ignorance.


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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Enlil]
    #28242979 - 03/23/23 12:44 PM (10 months, 9 hours ago)

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Thank you for confirming your ignorance.




It's not ignorance, and I am far from alone


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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28242987 - 03/23/23 12:50 PM (10 months, 9 hours ago)

Ignorance is the natural state of all beings.  Of course you're not alone.


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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Enlil]
    #28243013 - 03/23/23 01:06 PM (10 months, 8 hours ago)

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Ignorance is the natural state of all beings.  Of course you're not alone.




:freewilly:

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