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AndRoo
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LC with Uncle Bens Tek
#28240766 - 03/22/23 04:06 AM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Hello everyone! I've been reading up on this forum (lurking) and other forums like it for a few months and I'm getting ready to start my first grow! The only question that keeps coming to my head is, is there anything wrong with spawning straight to grain (Uncle bens tek) if you are using an LC? I understand that when using spores you shouldn't spawn straight to grain because it has a huge contam chance. But is it the same case for LCs that are already germinated? Apologies if this is a noobie question, I'm somewhat new to all this and excited to be on the forum
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Re: LC with Uncle Bens Tek [Re: AndRoo] 4
#28240771 - 03/22/23 04:12 AM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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if you had read the forum for a few months you would have understood the general opinion on UB and that we recommend noobs to do PF tek (brf cakes can also be inoculated via lc and not necessarily with a spore syringe).
I recommend you consider these two links:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24144021
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Thanks for the info! Was already planning to do a pf tek, already have the materials just waiting for syringe. Was just curious because I see the hate and everyone says it's because of dirty spores, so does that mean it would be fine for LC? I was never really planning on UB it just peaked my interest i guess haha
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If you have a spore syringe that germinated into LC, the same idea applies on the contamination chance. Meaning a pretty high risk of it being dirty.
The thing is with "normal" LC's is that they can be made in a sterile manner. So you can have a clean LC that is 100% free of contamination.
Spore syringes are extremely difficult, if not impossible to be made in a completely sterile environment since the mushrooms have to grow somewhere. And that somewhere often isn't sterile. Unless we're talking plate pins but that's a whole other discussion.
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Re: LC with Uncle Bens Tek [Re: Throwaway] 1
#28240775 - 03/22/23 04:28 AM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
Throwaway said: If you have a spore syringe that germinated into LC, the same idea applies on the contamination chance. Meaning a pretty high risk of it being dirty.
The thing is with "normal" LC's is that they can be made in a sterile manner. So you can have a clean LC that is 100% free of contamination.
Spore syringes are extremely difficult, if not impossible to be made in a completely sterile environment since the mushrooms have to grow somewhere. And that somewhere often isn't sterile. Unless we're talking plate pins but that's a whole other discussion.
This makes a lot of sense, thank you for the info!
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Re: LC with Uncle Bens Tek [Re: AndRoo] 1
#28240776 - 03/22/23 04:28 AM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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There was already a post a few days ago about why it is not recommended to do this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28223234#28223234
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Re: LC with Uncle Bens Tek [Re: AndRoo] 1
#28240778 - 03/22/23 04:38 AM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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The PF-Tek has a high success rate. The UB Tek high failure rate is due primarily to contamination from inoculation with a spore syringe. Other reasons are lack of an injection port and the sealed bag with lack of air due to not having a filter. I have seen people try and remedy this by adding a SHIP as well as adding a filter, albeit after the fact.
If people would inoculate with a clean LC syringe instead of a spore syringe, I believe they may have better luck and a higher success rate, not as high as using the 30 year old proven PF-Tek. But it is worth a try.
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Re: LC with Uncle Bens Tek [Re: Screwup] 1
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Screwup said: And a few days before that…and a few days before that…and a few days before that
I guess the search tool is not used by everyone
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Re: LC with Uncle Bens Tek [Re: AndRoo]
#28241973 - 03/22/23 08:26 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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I apologize for this post. I was generally more interested in if using LC to spawn to UB would be any different than with spores and why. I already had plans for pf tek but my curiosity got to me. I understand now why and how posts like this can be annoying. I’ll try to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Thank you guys for the info. Will prob post how my pf tek is going in a week or two.
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Re: LC with Uncle Bens Tek [Re: AndRoo] 1
#28242011 - 03/22/23 08:49 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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There's nothing to apologize for in asking questions. The only dumb questions are the ones not asked. People genuinely want to help and aren't always polite or gentle about it but they are wanting to help. That you are asking questions and are willing to learn and put things into practice is important and will take you a long way.
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Re: LC with Uncle Bens Tek [Re: AndRoo] 1
#28242032 - 03/22/23 09:01 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Uncle Bens just seems like it will cost you a lot more cash in the long run and I would avoid it for that reason.
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Re: LC with Uncle Bens Tek [Re: AndRoo] 1
#28242040 - 03/22/23 09:06 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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AndRoo, I'm with johnukguy on this, no reason to apologize. Your question was sound and logical. As I said in my above post, a clean LC will have a higher success rate than using a spore syringe.
That makes sense in much the same way using agar, or LC to sterilized rye would be more successful than using a spore syringe. The same logic applies UB. UB has other drawbacks, but using a LC will increase success and worth a try.
Sometimes people are more inclined to say you are wrong than actually answering your specific question, but they mean well.
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Re: LC with Uncle Bens Tek [Re: veggie] 1
#28242061 - 03/22/23 09:17 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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There was a seasoned grower who tried using their own LC with UB and it stalled (I think). They made a thread about it.
I only remember their avatar was a girl's butt in a thong 
But I think there are more thinks at play than just the inoculation when doing UB.
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I don't remember that post, but I do remember that avatar. 
There are definitely more things at play with UB besides using a spore syringe. The grain used, mushy oily rice. No SHIP that allows contams in. No filter for air exchange which allows an environment for bacteria. That's why it it not recomended, because of the high failure rate.
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There's no reason to assume that a food item is sterile just because it's shelf-stable. Microwaveable rice just has to sit in an airtight bag before being steamed in the microwave and eaten. That's completely different from poking a hole in the bag, introducing air exchange, and adding mycelium to the mix. Then letting it colonize for weeks.
The bacteria that take out most grows aren't harmful for human consumption, which is why we don't really worry about eating fruits from bacterial spawn. They're not gonna design their aseptic packaging process down at the Uncle Ben's plant to ensure elimination of those sorts of bacteria. It's not their problem.
You can play the odds in all sorts of ways, and still get SOMEthing to show for it. Squirting spores into a bag of precooked rice is just playing the odds every which way. Eliminating one vector of contamination doesn't suddenly make the process advisable.
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