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Kickle
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Intoxication 3
#28237624 - 03/20/23 06:21 AM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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How do you see intoxication? What does it mean to be intoxicated?
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Re: Intoxication [Re: Kickle] 4
#28237630 - 03/20/23 06:41 AM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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It's complicated
So many ways some are integrating some are disintegrating some just give me a headache
sometimes it is soothing sometimes it is enlightening sometimes it is draining
someplaces it is very good someplaces it is very bad
some chemistry is lovely some chemistry is rough
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Re: Intoxication [Re: Kickle] 1
#28237640 - 03/20/23 06:53 AM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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The connotations go across the spectrum of qualities, totally in context. One way I've considered is any use of chemical including caffeine (not meaning psychs per se), when it comes to some injunctions related to meditative work. "Avoid intoxicants." It is an altering of one's state with use of substance, a habituated flight response.
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Re: Intoxication [Re: syncro]
#28238058 - 03/20/23 12:56 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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I'd use intoxication in a more negative connotation.
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Re: Intoxication [Re: Big_Dub]
#28238353 - 03/20/23 05:40 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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When you stop being able to perform normal tasks..
Or you are partially impared during said tasks..
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Re: Intoxication [Re: Kickle]
#28239071 - 03/21/23 03:00 AM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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Kickle said: How do you see intoxication? What does it mean to be intoxicated?
What does it mean to have nicotine, caffeine, or alcohol in your system?
I think it's different to meth, but some things aren't as bad as others for your physical or mental health.
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Re: Intoxication [Re: Kickle] 1
#28239556 - 03/21/23 12:31 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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Aside from the physiological effects of altering substances, it's interesting we use the word "intoxication" in other ways. For example, we often use the term related to romantic obsession and deep emotional infatuation.
We sometimes call "falling for someone" as being "drunk in love". The drunkard's love of booze and the preoccupation / fixation of the romantically obsessed may have parallels. Both seem rooted in desperation, and the feeling, "I can't live without you" and "You are my everything." They say romantic obsession is an anxious attachment style that is rooted in fear. I wonder if fear plays a role in fueling chronic drinking & drugging behaviors.
This article from Scientific American talks about how Oxytocin (known as the “love hormone”) is similar to alcohol intoxication.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/there-is-a-fine-line-between-love-and-drunk/
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I like your take on the word as it gets at the spirit that takes us.
For me sometimes it means being attractively saturated with whatever flavour, like the Sufi sort of drunkenness. But it also applies well enough to avoidance via chemical compromise of the default mode.
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Re: Intoxication [Re: DisoRDeR] 4
#28241701 - 03/22/23 05:13 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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In a philosophical sense, intoxication can be understood as a state of mind that is characterized by a loss of control or a diminished capacity to reason and make rational decisions. This can occur in a variety of contexts, not just from the consumption of drugs or alcohol.
For example, intoxication can occur when someone is overwhelmed by strong emotions such as anger, fear, or love, and becomes unable to think clearly or act rationally. Similarly, someone may become intoxicated by power, money, or other forms of influence that cloud their judgment and lead them to make decisions that are harmful to themselves or others.
In this sense, intoxication can be seen as a state of vulnerability, where an individual is susceptible to making poor decisions and acting in ways that are not in their best interest.
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Re: Intoxication [Re: hTx]
#28244051 - 03/24/23 03:51 AM (10 months, 10 hours ago) |
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I think being able to judge inebriation is a good indication or determinant of intoxication.
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Re: Intoxication [Re: sudly]
#28245043 - 03/24/23 05:02 PM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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Follow up question: do some intoxications last longer than others? If so, what determines length of effect?
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Re: Intoxication [Re: Kickle]
#28245152 - 03/24/23 06:47 PM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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Kickle said: Follow up question: do some intoxications last longer than others? If so, what determines length of effect?
As long it is held in body or mind.
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Re: Intoxication [Re: Kickle]
#28245415 - 03/24/23 11:05 PM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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Some last 5 to 10 minutes, some half an hour, 8 hours, a lot.
Some that last 6 hours can be made to last 8 hours with some that take an hour and last a few too. Some oxidize uncontained, some stay strong in moist conditions.
The length of the effect is determined by the structure of the chemicals themselves. As well as the receptor and synapse health of the individual.
Some last for several days and build overtime in the body, or last in the body for weeks, some allegedly slow the backflow of our favourite mood making brain chemicals.
The effect itself can be hindered by the appointment of others recently beforehand.
The effect is varied on habit and greed. The LD 50 of anything is good to keep in mind. Reading up the equivalent of a safety data sheet is good too.
Social interactions or lack thereof can calm a few.
But nothing too spicy, the SDS knows.
What you experience thereafter the effect is over and through the systems, what come may emerge as a result of practicing reflection.
Zazzing, oneness, meditation, variety.
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Once I realised that the dopamine hit attached to being a smartass far outweighed any of the repercussions, there was no turning back. - Randy felt face.
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Re: Intoxication [Re: sudly]
#28245598 - 03/25/23 04:23 AM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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does anyone remember a song with the refrain
"Oh Oh Oh Otrivine, You're the best thing I've ever seen."
I recently found that ephedrine is openly sold at some health food stores (only in Canada - pity).
50 tablets at 8 mg in a plastic jar is lethal for children so it has to be locked up.
anyone with a link to the song?
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Up until only about 10 years ago, a neighboring state to me was still openly selling ephedrine products in gas stations and convenience stores completely OTC and no requirements to check ID like in my state.
When I was around 18-19, me and my buddies would grab a box of ephedrine at the gas station when filling up after driving over the border to buy fireworks. We'd tweak out on those meth-lite pills, Red Bulls and cigarettes.
Never heard the song, though.
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Re: Intoxication [Re: Kickle]
#28249087 - 03/27/23 10:29 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Kickle said:
Follow up question: do some intoxications last longer than others?
I've noticed some love affairs with intoxication have different lifetimes. I have a buddy who used and sold cocaine for about 10 years back in the 90's. He loved the stuff. After nearly two decades of abstinence, he recently used cocaine at a party. He hated the feeling. What has changed?
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He just used too much at the party after steady use and then abstinence he needs smaller lines to enjoy,
I love tiny lines, and when they stop working I just stay away
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He tried one moderate line and didn't want another because he disliked how it made him feel. The "experts" insist addiction is a lifetime disease, but for many it is not. Things change. It's similar to how we can be head over heels romantically obsessed with a love interest, and then it eventually fades, and we can even be puzzled how or why we were even attracted to that person.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: He tried one moderate line and didn't want another because he disliked how it made him feel. The "experts" insist addiction is a lifetime disease, but for many it is not. Things change. It's similar to how we can be head over heels romantically obsessed with a love interest, and then it eventually fades, and we can even be puzzled how or why we were even attracted to that person.
That is all true, however, once you kick cocaine, if you revisit it, you have to be tentative with the dosage. regular users can hoot up huge lines. I enjoyed both speed and coke for a while, loved it, never got to huge lines. but if I am exposed to something like that now, I take tiny lines, and love it, but if I pretend to be one of the funky bunch - by taking what users use, it makes me very uncomfortable.
the always an addict thing is there, for addicts, but so is the whole range of tolerance effects if they have been away.
if he did take small lines and liked it, he would probably be hooked on coke again in no time at all.
best not to tell him. I should not even post my views on stimulants - my bad
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Quote:
redgreenvines said:
I take tiny lines, and love it
You snort such baby lines off your mirror, I can't even see them.
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