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NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid * 1
    #28235868 - 03/18/23 11:08 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

wow, the NYT is such a piece of shit rag.

The New York Times now speculates that Covid came from a "Raccoon Dog" sold at a Chinese wet market (Doesn't this bear an air of racism, btw?). It's funny, because we all know exactly where the virus came from, at this point, and it wasn't Chinese people eating roadkill.


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COVID-19 animal origin scientists now point toward raccoon dogs as lab leak hypothesis grows


A group of scientists who have long pushed the theory that COVID-19 may have emerged from a Wuhan, China, wet market has now pushed fresh claims involving raccoon dogs that have not been peer-reviewed — after the Wuhan lab leak possibility gained credence in recent weeks.

On Thursday, both the Atlantic and the New York Times published stories contending that raccoon dogs sold at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan may have been an intermediary host for COVID-19 and that the fox-like mammals may have helped start the pandemic at the Chinese wet market.

The scientists did not publish their findings or have them peer-reviewed but rather described them to the outlets.

But the raccoon dog theory has only emerged following increasingly firmer intelligence assessments in recent weeks pointing to the Wuhan lab as the source of the outbreak that resulted in a pandemic.

The new article cited scientists Kristian Andersen, Eddie Holmes, Michael Worobey, Angela Rasmussen, Stephen Goldstein, and Florence Debarre as being involved in the discovery or analysis of the alleged Chinese data.

The New York Times said Andersen, Holmes, and Worobey “started mining the new genetic data last week” and that Rasmussen and Goldstein also “worked on the new analysis.”

Chinese government scientists had previously published their own study related to this alleged data in February 2022, and the New York Times reported Thursday that Debarre had discovered that new data had been posted by the Chinese Center for Disease Control on the GISAID genetics website last week but that the data were allegedly removed after international scientists began asking questions about it.

Richard Ebright, the lab director for the Waksman Institute of Microbiology at Rutgers University, told the Washington Examiner on Friday that the raccoon dog claim “adds little to the discussion” because “the data do not indicate that a raccoon dog was infected with SARS-Cov-2, much less that a raccoon dog was infected with SARS-CoV-2 and then transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to a human.”

Ebright added that “the claim should not be taken at face value” in part because the data cited in the article has “not been made available for analysis.”

Five of the scientists — Andersen, Holmes, Rasmussen, Worobey, and Goldstein — were authors of a controversial study whose preprint was also shared with and written about by the New York Times in February 2022, while Debarre was thanked in the acknowledgments of the study.

The February 2022 preprint claimed that their analyses “provide dispositive evidence for the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 via the live wildlife trade and identify the Huanan market as the unambiguous epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic.” The preprint also claimed there was “incontrovertible evidence” of a “clear conduit” for natural emergence at the wet market. But none of those quoted claims appeared in the version of the paper that was eventually published by Science in July 2022 after a peer review.

The five scientists said “we thank” Debarre “for comments and assistance” when the peer-reviewed version was published last summer.

Ebright argued that “their track record of past false claims on the subject warrants extreme caution about their new claims on the subject, especially claims for which the data are not presented.”

The New York Times's article, titled “New Data Links Pandemic’s Origins to Raccoon Dogs at Wuhan Market,” was authored by coronavirus reporter Benjamin Mueller. The article conceded that the data “does not prove that a raccoon dog itself was infected” and that “someone infected with the virus could have spread the virus to a raccoon dog.”

Mueller is the same author of the February 2022 article, which was titled “New Research Points to Wuhan Market as Pandemic Origin.”





It's like they don't even care that the whole world can see through their blatant lies and bullshit. How does the NYT even turn a profit? It's almost like they are writing satire, but they expect the world to take them serious! What a joke!

When news outlets don't even care that everyone knows they are lying to them day in and day out... There is a fundamental problem.


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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28235973 - 03/19/23 03:06 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

This is based on a genetic analysis published in science. Unlike the lab leak theory, there’s actually quite a bit of evidence supporting a market spillover event


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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: koods] * 1
    #28236013 - 03/19/23 05:59 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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This is based on a genetic analysis published in science. Unlike the lab leak theory, there’s actually quite a bit of evidence supporting a market spillover event




There's actually quite a bit of evidence supporting the fact that Covid-19 came from the Wuhan lab, and no evidence whatsoever that it came from nature.


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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28236021 - 03/19/23 06:15 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

If there is evidence, but not conclusive that it came from Wuhan lab leak, does that not leave an alternative explanation that it came from nature? IDK, and I'm not a biology expert, but if we're not sure theory A is extremally well supported, isn't theory B the best other possibility? If not, what is?


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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28236032 - 03/19/23 06:47 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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If there is evidence, but not conclusive that it came from Wuhan lab leak, does that not leave an alternative explanation that it came from nature? IDK, and I'm not a biology expert, but if we're not sure theory A is extremally well supported, isn't theory B the best other possibility? If not, what is?




I mean, it obviously did come from the Wuhan lab. It just makes perfect sense. Occam's razor, and all that. This is clearly just salty "scientists" making wild claims. These "raccoon dogs" have never even been found to have actually contracted Covid-19.

Also, before anyone calls me a "conspiracy theorist"...

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The Office of the Director of National Intelligence released an assessment in 2021 stating that one U.S. intelligence agency, the FBI, assessed with "moderate confidence" that COVID-19 most likely emerged from the Wuhan lab




It's kind of ironic too, because Trudeau, and many so-called "liberals" like to throw words like "racist" around a lot, calling various anti-vax groups racist... Yet the same sort of people come up with these wild claims about other cultures, and how their practices of eating dogs caused Covid... It just seems like this sort of rhetoric has an element of racism to me. Doesn't it?

I miss this guy, when he was allowed to point out obvious things:




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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28236035 - 03/19/23 06:52 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

All I read was a low level of confidence conclusion that it came from the labs.

I don't really care because what's done is done. There's just too many Asian Americans getting attacked in the streets.


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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28236038 - 03/19/23 07:00 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:

Brian Jones said:
If there is evidence, but not conclusive that it came from Wuhan lab leak, does that not leave an alternative explanation that it came from nature? IDK, and I'm not a biology expert, but if we're not sure theory A is extremally well supported, isn't theory B the best other possibility? If not, what is?




I mean, it obviously did come from the Wuhan lab. It just makes perfect sense. Occam's razor, and all that. This is clearly just salty "scientists" making wild claims. These "raccoon dogs" have never even been found to have actually contracted Covid-19.

Also, before anyone calls me a "conspiracy theorist"...

Quote:

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence released an assessment in 2021 stating that one U.S. intelligence agency, the FBI, assessed with "moderate confidence" that COVID-19 most likely emerged from the Wuhan lab




It's kind of ironic too, because Trudeau, and many so-called "liberals" like to throw words like "racist" around a lot, calling various anti-vax groups racist... Yet the same sort of people come up with these wild claims about other cultures, and how their practices of eating dogs caused Covid... It just seems like this sort of rhetoric has an element of racism to me. Doesn't it?

I miss this guy, when he was allowed to point out obvious things:







Wild claims? The Chinese officials took specimens from different animals when the outbreak was first identified, and raccoon dogs were found to be infected with sarscov2. There’s no racism there


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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28236039 - 03/19/23 07:01 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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Brian Jones said:
All I read was a low level of confidence conclusion that it came from the labs.

I don't really care because what's done is done. There's just too many Asian Americans getting attacked in the streets.




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Brian Jones said:
All I read was a low level of confidence conclusion that it came from the labs.

I don't really care because what's done is done. There's just too many Asian Americans getting attacked in the streets.




I guess it's relevant to point out that the scientists making this wild claim have a history of making unfounded claims on the subject, and being wrong:

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Ebright argued that “their track record of past false claims on the subject warrants extreme caution about their new claims on the subject, especially claims for which the data are not presented.”

...Andersen, a Scripps Research professor, previously wrote to Nature magazine in February 2020 that he and other scientists were “prompted” by Dr. Anthony Fauci, then-director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and others to cast doubt on the lab leak theory.





Also, it has been changed to "moderate" lol. It's a begrudging admission that they were wrong/lying all along, basically.


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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: koods]
    #28236040 - 03/19/23 07:03 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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Wild claims? The Chinese officials took specimens from different animals when the outbreak was first identified, and raccoon dogs were found to be infected with sarscov2. There’s no racism there




They were not found to be infected with Covid. They found genetic material that was mixed together with Covid genetic material. They never actually found a bear-dog that had Covid.


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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
    #28236046 - 03/19/23 07:15 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

My wifes gonna be pissed, but I need a racoon dog.


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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28236055 - 03/19/23 07:29 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:

Brian Jones said:
If there is evidence, but not conclusive that it came from Wuhan lab leak, does that not leave an alternative explanation that it came from nature? IDK, and I'm not a biology expert, but if we're not sure theory A is extremally well supported, isn't theory B the best other possibility? If not, what is?




I mean, it obviously did come from the Wuhan lab. It just makes perfect sense. Occam's razor, and all that. This is clearly just salty "scientists" making wild claims. These "raccoon dogs" have never even been found to have actually contracted Covid-19.

Also, before anyone calls me a "conspiracy theorist"...

Quote:

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence released an assessment in 2021 stating that one U.S. intelligence agency, the FBI, assessed with "moderate confidence" that COVID-19 most likely emerged from the Wuhan lab




It's kind of ironic too, because Trudeau, and many so-called "liberals" like to throw words like "racist" around a lot, calling various anti-vax groups racist... Yet the same sort of people come up with these wild claims about other cultures, and how their practices of eating dogs caused Covid... It just seems like this sort of rhetoric has an element of racism to me. Doesn't it?

I miss this guy, when he was allowed to point out obvious things:









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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: Tulipslave]
    #28236064 - 03/19/23 07:36 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

... Go on..

:justcantwait:


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Re: NYT Identifies "Raccoon Dog" as the source of Covid [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28237019 - 03/19/23 07:36 AM (10 months, 4 days ago)

This thread has been closed.

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I'm not seeing a political issue here.


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