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Prof. Chuckle
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Should one microdose if having never committed to a trip?
#28226630 - 03/12/23 04:13 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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If someone has never taken psilocybin mushrooms before, what are your thoughts on them microdosing?
I for one have scarcely brushed the surface, eating an occasional and inconsequential ammount of Psilocybe semilanceata on hikes. I have over a long time planned my first trip, scheduled sometime this summer once the weather is warm and I can lie comfortably on the beach and stargaze (I'll do my best to post a trip report when this comes).
Anyway, I was curious: as microdosings effects are meant to be sub-perceptual, do you think there would be any significant differences for someone who has never tripped as opposed to someone who has?
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chris77
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Re: Should one microdose if having never committed to a trip? [Re: Prof. Chuckle]
#28226725 - 03/12/23 06:16 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Prof. Chuckle said: If someone has never taken psilocybin mushrooms before, what are your thoughts on them microdosing?
I for one have scarcely brushed the surface, eating an occasional and inconsequential ammount of Psilocybe semilanceata on hikes. I have over a long time planned my first trip, scheduled sometime this summer once the weather is warm and I can lie comfortably on the beach and stargaze (I'll do my best to post a trip report when this comes).
Anyway, I was curious: as microdosings effects are meant to be sub-perceptual, do you think there would be any significant differences for someone who has never tripped as opposed to someone who has?
no, i do not think so. but then again i also feel like the more i trip the more sensitive i become to the substance itself. personally i am not a fan of microdosing and taking a real dose doesnt need to be planned over a long time. just requires a weekend without too much to do and a quiet safe environment. but waiting for the perfect moment can also be right. after all i would say follow your gut. and dont be afraid to jump right in.. best of luck
ps. welcome to the shroomery!
-------------------- the observer is the observed j. krishnamurti
Edited by chris77 (03/12/23 06:17 PM)
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DharmaForKarma
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Re: Should one microdose if having never committed to a trip? [Re: chris77] 1
#28227374 - 03/13/23 07:19 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Many, many people who have never journeyed are having great success with microdosing. This is why it has entered the public discussion: Minimal undesirable side effects (typically none) and the results can significantly improve one’s quality of life.
Sub perceptual dosing is important. I started with Fadiman’s recommended 1/10th journey dose. Had to cut it in half, twice, to eliminate the semi-high feeling I did not want. To your question, I started microdosing before my first journey and neither the dosage nor the effect changed after I did.
Mini dosing, where you feel more than nothing and less than a journey, is fun but different.
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Renoraines
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Re: Should one microdose if having never committed to a trip? [Re: DharmaForKarma]
#28227421 - 03/13/23 08:06 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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I had tripped (if you can call it that) once over 20 years before trying microdosing. It has been a godsend, I've got PTSD and some other things, and nothing prescribed has worked, I get terrible reactions from SSRI's.
I'm not a doc, or in the med field so I won't say you should, just that it has done more for me than any other medicine has.
It is what has led me to this website.
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hogswarm
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Re: Should one microdose if having never committed to a trip? [Re: chris77]
#28234864 - 03/18/23 10:41 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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I agree with chris77... I don't really understand the crazy for microdosing...except to check for allergies.
edit - I want to throw one more thing in here. Dosing in general with mushrooms can vary greatly from fruit to fruit. This is true even within the same flush. Your micro-dose might be way stronger than you expected, it might also be far weaker than expected. This is another point as to why micro-dosing doesn't really make sense to me. I have taken a small amount of shrooms in gram weight that was much stronger than the 3/4 oz I ate another time... both cubensis. It just happens.
Edited by hogswarm (03/18/23 10:48 AM)
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gabhann
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Re: Should one microdose if having never committed to a trip? [Re: Renoraines]
#28234883 - 03/18/23 10:51 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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they are really two very different things, even though using the same substance.
I do recommend microdosing first for anyone anxious about their first trip. I describe it as learning the dance with the mushroom, getting in tune with it first. Even if half bs, it works wonders via the placebo effect! Same goes for microdosing after a therapeutic trip, it helps someone more easily tap into that same inner space again where so much good work can be done.
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Re: Should one microdose if having never committed to a trip? [Re: gabhann]
#28235348 - 03/18/23 03:59 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Tripped as recreation 20 years ago, a lifetime ago. Started micro 6 months ago. Micro only.
Micro dose (.2-.05g), meditation and self care has done what the gambit of prescription drugs and therapy could not.
Don't agree with but diagnosed as "Generalized anxiety disorder from medical condition"
What I do know is after having persistent angina pain for 10 years, I do not like who I am.
I am not where or who I wish to be yet but micro dosing has produced the results that were promised by conventional medicine.
Point.........If you yourself or someone your assisting might be helped in any way, For me micro works exactly as most of the antidepressants were described. "Eventually with persistence one day you will feel that things are not as bad as they were, sun will be slightly warmer, food being consumed will bring more pleasure, a better feeling of being" Most importantly I do not think I had an mood altering effect for over a month. Just like the nasty drugs it took time to work. Unlike them I have been able to stay on the regiment due the the decreased side effects.
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hogswarm
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Re: Should one microdose if having never committed to a trip? [Re: BrokenHeart]
#28236145 - 03/19/23 08:58 AM (10 months, 5 days ago) |
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The studies of micro-dosing so far seem to be consistent in showing that if participants in the study believe that they are receiving the real drug, they show positive results. At the same time, the micro-dose is sometimes described as sub-perceptible and other times perceptible but sub-hallucinatory. It's hard to tell if what is being studied is the same as what people are using, especially in self-report studies. Then in lab studies the duration of the study is usually so short that they are only testing the effects of a single micro-dose.
The thing is, and this is my point, the positive effects of macro-dosing (with the right set&setting) is proven and proven for long term from a single dose. Even with a "bad trip".
Going back to the original question though, "As microdosings effects are meant to be sub-perceptual, do you think there would be any significant differences for someone who has never tripped as opposed to someone who has?" YES! I do think there would be significant differences. Even if it was a placebo. On the other hand, I don't see any problem with someone taking sub-perceptible as frequently as they want, in any setting -vs- macro-dosing you need a day for the trip, a day for recovery and the right set and setting.
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