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#28235714 - 03/18/23 08:27 PM (10 months, 5 days ago) |
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It's about time journalists stand up for their own. Ever since the Patriot Act was signed into law, we have watched our government slowly widdle away at the constitutionally guaranteed freedoms that are the foundation of everything it means to be American!
The false allegations that our Federal Government has made against Julian Assange, to stifle the voice of a dissenting journalists, have been effectively discredited. Several news organizations, including The New York Times, the Guardian, Le Monde, El Pais and DER SPIEGEL are finally speaking out against our government's persecution of Assange. It's about motherfucking time.
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The U.S. government should end its prosecution of Julian Assange for publishing secrets.
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we come together now to express our grave concerns about the continued prosecution of Julian Assange for obtaining and publishing classified materials.
The Obama-Biden Administration, in office during the Wikileaks publication in 2010, refrained from indicting Assange, explaining that they would have had to indict journalists from major news outlets too. Their position placed a premium on press freedom, despite its uncomfortable consequences. Under Donald Trump however, the position changed. The DOJ relied on an old law, the Espionage Act of 1917 (designed to prosecute potential spies during World War 1), which has never been used to prosecute a publisher or broadcaster.
This indictment sets a dangerous precedent, and threatens to undermine America’s First Amendment and the freedom of the press.
Holding governments accountable is part of the core mission of a free press in a democracy.
Obtaining and disclosing sensitive information when necessary in the public interest is a core part of the daily work of journalists. If that work is criminalised, our public discourse and our democracies are made significantly weaker.
Twelve years after the publication of “Cable gate”, it is time for the U.S. government to end its prosecution of Julian Assange for publishing secrets.
Publishing is not a crime.
To this day people still believe that Assange was involved in some sort of hacking conspiracy, even though the key witness in the case against him (Sigurdur Ingi Thordarson) has acknowledged that he fabricated all of the allegations made against Assange, in order to gain immunity. He is also a convicted pedophile, con-artist, and diagnosed psychopath.
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“This is just the latest revelation of how problematic the United States’ case is against Julian Assange – and, in fact, baseless,” human rights attorney Jennifer Robinson told Democracy Now on the Stundin investigation. “The evidence from Thordarson that was given to the United States and formed the basis of the second, superseding indictment, including allegations of hacking, has now been, on his own admission, demonstrated to have been fabricated. Not only did he misrepresent his access to Julian Assange and to WikiLeaks and his association with Julian Assange, he has now admitted that he made up and falsely misrepresented to the United States that there was any association with WikiLeaks and any association with hacking.”
“…the factual basis for this case has completely fallen apart. And we have been calling for this case to be dropped for a very long time. And this is just the last form of abuse demonstrated in this case that shows why it ought to be dropped,” Robinson continued.
American news outlets are so gutless they aren't even reporting on this. There is literally no case against Assange, yet he is still being persecuted by our government.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#28241300 - 03/22/23 12:21 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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This ought to be the most important news story to Americans, and nobody even wants to respond to it. A journalist is being imprisoned illegally for publishing inconvenient truths about the American government. It's an assault on the free speech of journalists.
Free speech is the most foundational freedom of a free society. This is the most egregious assault on free speech in our lifetime.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#28241388 - 03/22/23 01:14 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Look I’m all for a free press so long as they don’t make the US government look bad.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28241421 - 03/22/23 01:37 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Free speech is the most foundational freedom of a free society. This is the most egregious assault on free speech in our lifetime.
And yet you criticize Citizens United v FEC
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Enlil]
#28241431 - 03/22/23 01:42 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Free speech is the most foundational freedom of a free society. This is the most egregious assault on free speech in our lifetime.
And yet you criticize Citizens United v FEC
Yes. Call me audacious.
Is this an example of that what-about-ism that Koods was going on about yesterday?
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28241432 - 03/22/23 01:43 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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No, it's an example of hypocrisy which I was going on about yesterday.
The charges against Assange aren't about speech.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Enlil]
#28241446 - 03/22/23 01:48 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Enlil said: No, it's an example of hypocrisy which I was going on about yesterday
I'd love to have a conversation with you about Citizens United, and whether or not I really am a hypocrite, but I don't want to derail or take away from the importance of the topic of this thread.
I suppose maybe the reason that nobody else is responding to this thread, is because we all already agree that journalists shouldn't be smeared and imprisoned by Democratic "free" societies/governments.
So that's refreshing.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Enlil]
#28241450 - 03/22/23 01:51 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Enlil said: No, it's an example of hypocrisy which I was going on about yesterday.
The charges against Assange aren't about speech.
If the charges against Assange aren't about speech, then I'm not a hypocrite.
As we both know, though... freedom of the press is an issue of free speech.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28241458 - 03/22/23 01:55 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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You're a hypocrite for saying, "Free speech is the most foundational freedom of a free society. " and criticizing Citizen's United.
The charges against Assange aren't about freedom of the press either. They are about hacking into computers.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Enlil]
#28241492 - 03/22/23 02:14 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Enlil said: You're a hypocrite for saying, "Free speech is the most foundational freedom of a free society. " and criticizing Citizen's United.
The charges against Assange aren't about freedom of the press either. They are about hacking into computers.
Maybe you didn't read the original thread post, but the government has dropped all charges related to hacking. Their key witness against Assange on that charge was a convicted pedophile, and has been diagnosed as a psychopath. He has withdrawn all of his allegations, which were made in an effort to secure immunity for his own crimes.
There are no longer any grounds to hold Assange, which is why the NYT and other news outlets are calling for his release.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28241521 - 03/22/23 02:31 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Do you have a source for the claim that the hacking charges have been dropped? I just checked the case, and I see no such dismissal of any counts. I've attached the most recent indictment for your review.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28241870 - 03/22/23 07:24 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Enlil said: No, it's an example of hypocrisy which I was going on about yesterday
I'd love to have a conversation with you about Citizens United, and whether or not I really am a hypocrite, but I don't want to derail or take away from the importance of the topic of this thread.
I suppose maybe the reason that nobody else is responding to this thread, is because we all already agree that journalists shouldn't be smeared and imprisoned by Democratic "free" societies/governments.
So that's refreshing.
We already had that thread and it didn’t go well for the anti free speech guy like yourself
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: koods]
#28241874 - 03/22/23 07:26 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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He thinks stealing documents should be protected but not making a movie critical of Hillary Clinton
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28241875 - 03/22/23 07:26 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Enlil said: No, it's an example of hypocrisy which I was going on about yesterday.
The charges against Assange aren't about speech.
If the charges against Assange aren't about speech, then I'm not a hypocrite.
As we both know, though... freedom of the press is an issue of free speech.
The press don’t have the freedom to hack government computers
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: koods]
#28242042 - 03/22/23 09:08 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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Notice how OP STFU after I asked for a source?
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: koods]
#28242514 - 03/23/23 07:57 AM (10 months, 13 hours ago) |
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Enlil said: Notice how OP STFU after I asked for a source?
I didn't "STFU" because I am afraid of being wrong. I stopped responding because I was reading more on the subject. You are correct, he still has a charge against him for hacking, though the grounds are quite sketchy. He allegedly offered Chelsea Manning a rainbow chart to help her decipher a password. The maximum sentence for that charge is only 5 years. From what I have read, he is facing 175 years.
The rest of the charges against him are for publishing the revelations of whistleblowers, which is what is concerning to people. If publishing these things is criminalized, it sets a dangerous precedent, which is why the NYT, and other news outlets have spoken out against it.
By the way, Assange wasn't the only one to publish the information he discovered. He's just the only one charged with crimes for doing so.
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koods said: We already had that thread and it didn’t go well for the anti free speech guy like yourself
I am not anti-free speech. I'm not sure you're capable of deciding whether something went well or not. Any time anyone provides a source that validates an argument you don't like, you disregard the source. Your arguments are generally more about being "right" and defending the Democratic party, for some reason, than about finding real truth in any matter. They generally seem disingenuous to me, though I don't know the reason for arguing if you don't genuinely believe the things you're saying. It's quite odd to me.
I don't like the effect that Citizens United has had on American politics. I don't like the effect of unfettered dark money in our political process. I never said that Citizens United should be reversed. I believe that there may be a way that we can expand on it, and do better.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28242555 - 03/23/23 08:25 AM (10 months, 13 hours ago) |
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But do you believe that people should be able to make and distribute a movie critical of Hillary Clinton without the government being able to stop it based on how much money was spent on it?
That's what Citizen's United is about.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Enlil]
#28242658 - 03/23/23 09:30 AM (10 months, 12 hours ago) |
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Enlil said: But do you believe that people should be able to make and distribute a movie critical of Hillary Clinton without the government being able to stop it based on how much money was spent on it?
That's what Citizen's United is about.
Yes, of course. That's why I said I don't think the Citizens United ruling should be reversed, but there is a reason we had campaign donation limits for the previous hundred years. Unlimited spending corrupts the democratic process. So we need to enact policies that address the negative consequences of the Citizens United ruling. 77 percent of registered voters feel that “reducing the influence of special interests and corruption in Washington” was either the “single most” or a “very important” factor in deciding their vote for Congress.
We need stricter laws to prevent coordination between campaigns and Super PACs. Nonprofits that engage in politics and donate to super PACs should be required to reveal their donors. Government funding of elections, such as matching small dollar donations to campaigns would help level the playing field between the interests of the wealthy and those of the poor. There are things that can be done to reduce the harm of CU without taking away rights.
In a poll done by the University of Maryland (2017), 96% of respondents said that money in politics is causing dysfunction, and 94% said "wealthy political donors" are the problem.
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The survey of more than 1,600 people, completed in early October, found that 71 percent agree that our political system has reached “a dangerous low point” and that nearly four in 10 believe that is “the new normal.”
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There is almost universal agreement that money is a major driver of government dysfunction. Ninety-six percent of those polled identified “money in politics” as causing dysfunction; 94 percent cited “wealthy political donors.”
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28242674 - 03/23/23 09:40 AM (10 months, 12 hours ago) |
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He allegedly offered Chelsea Manning a rainbow chart to help her decipher a password. The maximum sentence for that charge is only 5 years. From what I have read, he is facing 175 years.
She gave him a list of encrypted passwords and he tried to decrypt them so they could have access to the computers using an innocent party’s account, which would deflect blame away from manning to someone who had nothing to do with the hacking.
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Re: NYT and Several News Outlets Call for Assange's Release [Re: koods] 1
#28242695 - 03/23/23 09:49 AM (10 months, 12 hours ago) |
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He allegedly offered Chelsea Manning a rainbow chart to help her decipher a password. The maximum sentence for that charge is only 5 years. From what I have read, he is facing 175 years.
She gave him a list of encrypted passwords and he tried to decrypt them so they could have access to the computers using an innocent party’s account, which would deflect blame away from manning to someone who had nothing to do with the hacking.
Allegedly offered to try to decrypt them using a rainbow table*... but never did.
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