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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: Hammburgler]
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Using water, lye, and a freezer, dealers turn the liquid into a crystal, which produces an incredibly powerful high. The liquid extract can be reused three to four times, increasing the amount of crystals which can be made and sold.
They forgot the naptha
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Hammburgler said: Erowid mimosa?
Hahaha A simple google search with those 2 words would go a long way to make this journalist look less foolish
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19102968 - 11/07/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Roomberg allegedly ordered syringes with spores preloaded into them and would place the spores onto straw or corn cobs so the mushrooms could grow, Novembre said."
Corn Cobs?????
And I know fires happen, but seems sketch.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: my3rdeye]
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: mutantmushroom] 7
#28228984 - 03/14/23 08:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Almost 10 years later. I was very tired in that picture. Between the fire and the isolated jail cells before they actually booked me a day later I was beyond exhausted. The fire started 2:00 a.m. down in a mixed use basement/bedroom environment. A pinhole leak in the hot water distribution unit soaked a rug which in turn wet an extension cord connection and then started a fire up the wall.
Terrible looking group of people: No tweakers in the house but my daughter gathered Ellis off a park bench somewhere and befriended him and brought him into our house. He found Jesus in jail. Another there was my son. He was really pissed at me. He had asked me to clean out the attic the previous week and I had just started. It was actually his house, I did not own it, I just contributed to most of the expenses. Another was a friend of his who was staying with us. They were all adults, I would never expose children to that environment.
Bail amount: None of us were rich, they just thought my mushroom growing set up was advanced enough to look like a major lab so the DEA was called in and held press conferences on my porch. My son had a beer brewing setup which they confused with a meth lab as well. The prosecutor called me the devil. The judge was pissed off that my job as a programmer for a major bank on Wall Street made more money than him. But I had nothing accumulated, I had only been at that job for 3 months and been out of work the previous couple of years. He was going to keep my bail high and the amount of your bail determines which group of people you go into when you go to jail. So my bail was beyond murderer/child molester level. The Warden took pity and placed us in a slightly less dangerous environment.
Tiny amount found: my air conditioners had broken and all my tubs went green and I wasn't selling anything anyway. Just doing lots of experiments with many different strains.
Corn on the cob: of course not. At that point. I was playing with a 50 lb sack of cow corn, a bail of straw, lots of coir using Damien's 50/50 plus my modifications. Bottom line is while everything worked, penis envy loves straw in a dark bin. And ozone rules.
Quart jars: lids:Homemade RTV and cut up filter discs tops as well as surgical tubing clamped liquid culture jars. This was for my standard five jars of cow corn combined with whatever substrate I would be using next whether be Damian's or straw.
But I had lots and lots of liquid culture jars because I wanted to save a live sample of every needle I had ever used. And I collected a lot of different strains and I had at least two quart liquid culture jars for each one. I have to admit that was a crazy thing to have but I did. Liquid culture may or may not be illegal at any given moment, depending whether or not the liquid culture actually generates psilocybin. I have no idea what portion of the charge those jars could add up to and I don't think they did either. That would require a lot of lab work to prove.
Negotiation strategy: I told my lawyer to agree to whatever they wanted to get everybody else out of jail. Drop the charges on everybody else. Give them a clean life. Everybody in that house had whatever amount of bit of pot that would be chargeable to each of them individually so that prosecutor could take them with or without me.
I told him that everything in that house was mine no matter what room, I'm the old guy in the house in charge and I walk around into every room and I leave a tray of pot around so it's easy for me to access anytime I want. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. That pot was nothing compared to the mushroom growing charges and my head stash so they were my charges to take anyway.
They still had to go through the bailout process after a couple of weeks because my lawyer told me I was insane and that part of the process was months away. So people had time in jail. I gave my son two packets of sugar on his 25th birthday. That's all I had.
My son and his friend were bailed out in about 2 weeks. I was there a couple of months. And then 7 months later another 2 weeks when they sentenced me and then had to wait for it a bed open somewhere.
Ellis actually refused bail from his parents. I have no idea why.
My lawyer had all kinds of suggestions on how I could escape this and I said no get everybody else out of jail as fast as possible and their records cleared. My lawyer told me the prosecutor demanded five years. I said okay. But that took time.
Note: I am one of the few people can talk about the stuff having admitted to it in open court and served my sentence and am at this point absolutely doing nothing illegal in the state where I live. It's a weird position to be in. I've gone to group meetings of 50 people who are being taught how to grow psilocybin mushrooms out in the open. Vast majority of these people are between 60 and 90 years old. They did not actually have any psilocybin cultures though, they were using oyster fungus for the examples. I'm not growing them here because quasi legal isn't legal enough for me and I'm sticking with legal in my life. But I can talk about the old days and the lessons learned.
I agreed to 5 years in state prison so they would drop the charges on everyone else. The judge laughed out the 5 years for the minuscule amount of actual mushrooms they found.
There was an assortment of my head stash which included those 50 hits of LSD from a sheet I had bought 10 years previously. Current LSD dosage is tiny compared to the '70s so four hits was an experience for a single person but LSD was too speedy for me so I put it aside and grew the mushrooms. The meth was to allow me to concentrate. I used 5 mg under my tongue in the morning on work days. I had used half a gram in 3 months of work at that point and had half a gram left from the original gram that I bought.
Yes, that half gallon of DMT mixture would be lucky to yield two more hits. I had been carrying that around for a couple of years at that point. Yes, they didn't include the naptha in the directions in the article, I was surprised they included that much, but at that point I was using hexa something, I have no clue what, for the final wash and crystallization in my minus 30° chest freezer.
Since the mushrooms wouldn't give me the 5 years the prosecutor demanded to release my family, I had to find another charge. We looked at my head stash and agreed that I had dealer level quantity of LSD and that I had intent to distribute. Since I wasn't selling it, they asked was I willing to give it away for free to a friend. Of course I replied, that's a religious experience I'd love to share, so that is intent to distribute. That's a felony and destroyed my career. And disallowed any call center or technical support job since I would be accessing customer or employee databases and I can never do that again. But the judge agreed to send me to jail for 5 years for that. So they dropped the mushroom charges (after I had already plead guilty and the judge accepted my guilt of that and I had to testify an open court exactly how I went about doing this to convince the judge I actually knew how to grow mushrooms, and then after that they reversed everything out because it wasn't enough for the 5 years) and changed it to the LSD/intent charges.
After they sentenced me to 5 years they then offered me drug court. The deal was if I screwed up drug court I would get 10 years in state prison. I did three and a half years on drug court and then graduated.
Keep in mind they sent me to rehab for my psilocybin addiction. I used mushrooms once every 3 months or so and that qualifies as an addiction to them. My counselor at rehab loved me. Really, she spent the first month figuring out that I didn't belong there, she tried to get me released but the judge wouldn't let it and then we hung out and bullshit for the next two months since the judge decided I had to be there at least 90 days.
When I say my counselor loved me, let me say that my counselor was a hot young thing. And I had previously OD'd (not deadly level but life-changing level) on MDMA and my empathy circuits were supercharged in those days. My wife told me that my counselor loved me. And my wife is very observant.
Then I had the three years of hell under drug court.
I moved to Colorado the day after I graduated from drug court. Fuck them all.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: shroom_bee]
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Bet you jus smoke weed now innit.? Glad you are here to share
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: shroom_bee] 1
#28230206 - 03/14/23 11:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Amazing that you came back to share after all these years. Thank you.
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shroom_bee said: After they sentenced me to 5 years they then offered me drug court. The deal was if I screwed up drug court I would get 10 years in state prison. I did three and a half years on drug court and then graduated.
... Then I had the three years of hell under drug court.
What exactly was the drug court program? I assume it's different than prison. Or were you confined? What kind of freedom did you have and what did they require you to do?
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28230378 - 03/15/23 07:22 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Its like extreme probation. Piss tested once a week most likely. Have to keep a job, etc.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: ashfiken] 1
#28230756 - 03/15/23 02:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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ashfiken said: Its like extreme probation. Piss tested once a week most likely. Have to keep a job, etc.
I'm sure it sucks but of course it beats prison.
It is definitely ironic for a person that the prosecutor sought 5 years for to never get prison. I wonder if the prosecutor sees this as a win-win for them because they still get to say they got a '5-year-conviction for a dangerous drug trafficker' or whatever. I have heard prosecutors are all about conviction records.
It really shows the corruption of the system, that it is all about appearances. But at least in this case prison didn't ultimately result.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: CreonAntigone] 2
#28230776 - 03/15/23 02:16 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Yup its a conviction check next to the docket number. All they go for. The pros doesn't truly care about the actual prison time usually, just their conviction rate. Yeah I'm glad. Bc for this story he should never have even been threatened with prison. House catches fire, take ppl to jail. I mean way to beat a mfer while they down.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: ashfiken] 4
#28232423 - 03/16/23 06:17 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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It is way beyond extreme probation. It is a probation officer showing up in your house two or three times a week. It is panic every time you go in to get a drug test because the saliva tests for amphetamine false positive. It is dealing with probation officers who are beyond assholes. I had a probation officer who was pissed off that I accepted drugs for colonoscopy. They were going to shove it tube up my ass and put me to sleep for it and he tells me that he had one of those when he was a kid. His parents didn't believe in drugs so they forced their juvenile to have a colonoscopy with no anesthetic. These are crazy m************ and this guy is in charge of my life.
Every person I met on drug court told me I was a moron because jail is far easier. The probation officers on drug court have a goal of violating you and throwing you back in jail. They are all assholes.
Also keep in mind I was one of the few whites in drug court. Most of my contemporaries were black gangbangers. I'm an old man merely trying to get along and I've got these young punks telling me how the f*** over the system. This was not good advice. These guys were f****** crazy.
My first probation officer in Trenton was at Disney princess. She was beyond beautiful and she had to be a hard ass bitch to prove how tough she was. It took me two or three months before she loved me.
The judge in Trenton was a crazy mother F*****. He spent 20 minutes lecturing on how we needed more God in our lives. His brother went away for dealing cocaine and he covered for him. I got out of the Trenton and moved to Burlington. My judge was supposedly a nice one. The month I moved she got assigned to a different court and I had another a****** to deal with. A month after I moved he got removed from the bench.
I don't suggest drug court to anyone. If you have a choice between jail and drug court, take jail. They set you up for failing in drug court. And if you have a choice between spending a few months in jail versus a few years in probation, take the jail. That probation will f*** you over.
My probation officer actually got thrown out of drug court for being too mean. She disallowed medications that the judge was perfectly happy with and he threw her out on her ass. She was evil.
But that meant I got to break in a couple of new ones. They were all gung-ho. They thought they were going to save me from myself. They were assholes.
Drug court is the worst of the worse. Big brother looking after you. I didn't include in my history that I actually had 27 years of sobriety. I knew AAA. I knew intensive outpatient therapy. I knew what a crock of s*** it was. But if I ever opened my mouth they would send me back to jail. So I kept my mouth shut.
This is an interesting board. It's supports people doing stuff that can put them away for an incredibly long time. I know how dangerous it is now. It is so easy to order a couple of spores and grow some mushrooms. It is also so easy for the men in blue to come take you away.
Previous postings talked about Colorado. I'm in Washington State now. And that means they're thinking about legalizing mushrooms, but they're thinking about it as part of a well regulated therapy scenario. That's b*******. We know that mushrooms are fine without paid therapists. But that's where they're going now. It's a sad path to follow.
Speaking of Washington. The town 5 miles away from me has removed the police's ability to prosecute any crime associated with psych drugs. If it grows from a plant or a mushroom fungus is legal. Just in this little itty bitty town. If you cross the border outside this town, you could go to jail for a very long time. So I don't do anything that crosses the threshold. So I bought a bunch of spores which are legal and I am waiting. I am waiting for growing to be legal. Then I will grow a shitload and enjoy my retirement.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: shroom_bee]
#28232452 - 03/16/23 06:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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shroom_bee said: It is way beyond extreme probation. It is a probation officer showing up in your house two or three times a week. It is panic every time you go in to get a drug test because the saliva tests for amphetamine false positive. It is dealing with probation officers who are beyond assholes. I had a probation officer who was pissed off that I accepted drugs for colonoscopy. They were going to shove it tube up my ass and put me to sleep for it and he tells me that he had one of those when he was a kid. His parents didn't believe in drugs so they forced their juvenile to have a colonoscopy with no anesthetic. These are crazy m************ and this guy is in charge of my life.
Every person I met on drug court told me I was a moron because jail is far easier. The probation officers on drug court have a goal of violating you and throwing you back in jail. They are all assholes.
Also keep in mind I was one of the few whites in drug court. Most of my contemporaries were black gangbangers. I'm an old man merely trying to get along and I've got these young punks telling me how the f*** over the system. This was not good advice. These guys were f****** crazy.
My first probation officer in Trenton was at Disney princess. She was beyond beautiful and she had to be a hard ass bitch to prove how tough she was. It took me two or three months before she loved me.
The judge in Trenton was a crazy mother F*****. He spent 20 minutes lecturing on how we needed more God in our lives. His brother went away for dealing cocaine and he covered for him. I got out of the Trenton and moved to Burlington. My judge was supposedly a nice one. The month I moved she got assigned to a different court and I had another a****** to deal with. A month after I moved he got removed from the bench.
I don't suggest drug court to anyone. If you have a choice between jail and drug court, take jail. They set you up for failing in drug court. And if you have a choice between spending a few months in jail versus a few years in probation, take the jail. That probation will f*** you over.
My probation officer actually got thrown out of drug court for being too mean. She disallowed medications that the judge was perfectly happy with and he threw her out on her ass. She was evil.
But that meant I got to break in a couple of new ones. They were all gung-ho. They thought they were going to save me from myself. They were assholes.
Drug court is the worst of the worse. Big brother looking after you. I didn't include in my history that I actually had 27 years of sobriety. I knew AAA. I knew intensive outpatient therapy. I knew what a crock of s*** it was. But if I ever opened my mouth they would send me back to jail. So I kept my mouth shut.
This is an interesting board. It's supports people doing stuff that can put them away for an incredibly long time. I know how dangerous it is now. It is so easy to order a couple of spores and grow some mushrooms. It is also so easy for the men in blue to come take you away.
Previous postings talked about Colorado. I'm in Washington State now. And that means they're thinking about legalizing mushrooms, but they're thinking about it as part of a well regulated therapy scenario. That's b*******. We know that mushrooms are fine without paid therapists. But that's where they're going now. It's a sad path to follow.
Speaking of Washington. The town 5 miles away from me has removed the police's ability to prosecute any crime associated with psych drugs. If it grows from a plant or a mushroom fungus is legal. Just in this little itty bitty town. If you cross the border outside this town, you could go to jail for a very long time. So I don't do anything that crosses the threshold. So I bought a bunch of spores which are legal and I am waiting. I am waiting for growing to be legal. Then I will grow a shitload and enjoy my retirement.
Oh dude I 110% agree, it's way easier to just take the jail time and go out and live your life.
Probation is like outpatient surgery, drug court is invasive in the hospital for a month kind of surgery
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: ashfiken]
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And again to a weed legal state my guess is you just smoke herb now? And this is a wild and wonderful site. Yes you can go to jail, but your instance is the exception not the norm. Hence why it is intriguing I mean without that freak fire, you wouldve never been on the radar. We all seem to love what we do and that's why we are here and why we (some not all) take the risks that come w that.
I hate your experience with the justice system was so deleterious and way more hurdle jumping than any human should have to deal with for basically just living. For fucks sake
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: my3rdeye]
#28233691 - 03/17/23 12:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Arrested the whole family over psychedelics? Wow, they really are truly insane. They're literally traumatizing people on purpose because they're psychopaths.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: thirtygoats]
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Which town in WA? Seattle is the only city I'm aware of that's decriminalized.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: shroom_bee]
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Thank you for updating this story. What's criminal is the US so called Justice System. I hope you are well and doing alright.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: johnukguy] 1
#28238934 - 03/20/23 10:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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This might be my favorite Shroomery thread ever, thanks to shroom_bee. Amazing to hear your side of the story! Thank you so much for sharing. I hope the best for you.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: SeaSalt] 2
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https://www.porttownsendpsychedelicsociety.org/
Gorgeous area. I'm next door in Sequim six blocks from the beach and two blocks from the state forest.
And to whoever asked if I just smoked pot now, yes. Port Townsend is wonderful but I don't live there and I'm not taking any chances.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: shroom_bee] 1
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Drug court is not designed for success, even for sober people
It's beyond an unforgivable infringement of the WOD
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: stzacrack] 1
#28240686 - 03/22/23 12:48 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Drug court is a state sanctioned religion. The cornerstone of AA makes it so. It's illegal in about half the states, but that's at a federal regional ruling level. People who get special privileges in jail for attending meetings are coerced. The meetings are obviously religion. Any AA a****** who tells you otherwise is simply lying to you.
When I was in drug court I had someone from the freedom from religion group talk to me about how she would go about fighting it. But I had to stand before the judge with her. And I would have been punished. Maybe she would win in a few years but maybe I would die in jail before she was done.
So I declined to be a test case and simply kissed ass and survived.
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Re: Family arrested after police allegedly found mushrooms, LSD and ecstasy in their Trenton home [Re: shroom_bee]
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AA is a cult. I'm just glad that you're here with us and still sane, well relatively, as we all are. I don't know if I'd have made it through a similar experience to be honest.
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