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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28233471 - 03/17/23 09:36 AM (10 months, 7 days ago)

I always wear a helmet
that is the way


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28233778 - 03/17/23 01:26 PM (10 months, 7 days ago)

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Modern asceticism is characterized by a focus on intentional living, simplicity, and mindful consumption. It involves a deliberate choice to limit or abstain from certain activities or possessions that are seen as unnecessary or distracting from one's spiritual or personal growth.

This can take many forms, from reducing one's use of technology or social media to practicing minimalism in one's home or lifestyle. The goal is not necessarily to completely eliminate pleasure or comfort, but rather to cultivate a greater sense of awareness and purpose in one's life.

Modern asceticism is often influenced by Eastern philosophies such as Buddhism and Taoism, but it can also be seen as a continuation of Western ascetic traditions. It is a way of finding balance and harmony in a world that can often be overwhelming and distracting.




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I think that a strong baseline or foundational pillar can be an important idea to develop to help individuals come to an understanding of what it takes to make progress in personal growth.

To start with the simple idea that expectations can become premeditated resentments. An important lesson to learn is that you don't always get what you want from the world because it doesn't work that way.

To hold dear that ignorance only means not knowing, and not knowing is not so bad as being unwilling to learn.




Good stuff!

I see it as embracing an enriching set of values that guide behaviors and decision making.  Both physical behaviors (choosing to eat a carton of ice cream every night, or punch your annoying neighbor) and cognitive behaviors (resentment, envy, impatience, chronic anger)


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28233996 - 03/17/23 04:54 PM (10 months, 6 days ago)

I look forward to automated nourishment.


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28234213 - 03/17/23 08:03 PM (10 months, 6 days ago)

You're free to reject all my boundaries if you want to, because I will uphold them.


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28234219 - 03/17/23 08:07 PM (10 months, 6 days ago)

I've been building on my own ideals for a while and trying to put into words some of the views I have about personal development and although I differ in a lot of ways, I still think Asceticism struck accord with a lot of what I've experienced.

I think an adapted version of Asceticism has potential as a guiding breeze that one can at the very least be aware of.

It's nice to be able to verbalize more clearly my own stance for improved communication and personal understanding :heart:


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
    #28234238 - 03/17/23 08:14 PM (10 months, 6 days ago)

[allegory]
My neighbor lives behind fences. If I remarked to his wife in Spanish that I'd like to kiss her feet I'd probably still have a job there weed eating, but the thought of a European foreigner expressing a desire to kiss his wife's feet is too much for the proud American.[/allegory]


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28234328 - 03/17/23 09:27 PM (10 months, 6 days ago)

I think you should stop responding, but thank you for your contributions.


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28234575 - 03/18/23 02:35 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

There's comes a point when you realize you can't change it.

I don't worry about things I can't control, so there's a lot not to be worried about.

What are we really talking about when we're talking about boundaries?

When you have or feel trust, I think it's easier to be yourself, and when you have those moments of saying things you might reflect on being silly, you can often trust people to interpret you correctly, or at least well enough.

P.s. I do not count my calories, I've just come to reflexively abstain from sugary beverages.

But am also more aware of what a daily amount of food is and what collectively overeating looks like within my own lifestyle.


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
    #28234610 - 03/18/23 04:39 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

I was in family councilling for therapy a dozen times from the ages of 10-15 or so.

I saw a psychologist twice when I was about 16, but that ended when her son passed away and she quit.

When I was 19 or 20 I saw a psychiatrist one time to get feedback on the state of my own rationality and sense or mental state, where I was told I appeared of reasonable mind and intuition.

In 2019 I had a reaction and went through a coma for 5 days waking up with mental retardation, pneumonia and influenza b.

The antibiotics and overall ICU experience led me to missing sleep for 3 days until hyperactive mental delirium took place. A cognitive baseline was eventually reached after several days of consultation and monitoring until improvements were directly noted with simple daily tests of cognition and recognition like the name of the hospital or to be able to speak the names of the months in reverse.

I went to therapy a few weeks after recovering and began therapy. It started off simple and over the years as it became more elaborate, a greater density of achievement could be seen.

The progress was notable and comparable to a learning curb that incrementally increases with experiences over a prolonged period of time.

I think I have seen and recorded my own footsteps to progress.

And I am trying to share that with other people, at least I think I am.


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
    #28234616 - 03/18/23 05:06 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

I never thought I would drink a whole bottle of mineral water, but I enjoy the cold carbonation. sugar free sweeteners hold a lot of helpful potential imo.

It's the sweet taste isn't it? That's related to the dopamine, not the sugar. well, this is the hypothesis. If you experience it your brain can simulate it? Chemically aided ofcourse at times, but still producing on its own, in the greater picture. 

When you're aware of your triggers, I think it's possible to be able to learn and develop your awareness and reflexive interactions tilted in the favour of the practiced intention.

It's not a cure, but a pebble in the stream.

A pebble of fortitude slowing down the trickle of water. Joined by many at times of varying size and grip. Some as old as the birth, some fresh on the rock, maturing finely.


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28234657 - 03/18/23 07:18 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

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What are we really talking about when we're talking about boundaries?
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boundaries are learned, so can be changed, but are cognitive triggers to the amygdala kicking the HPA circuits.

initially they are proximity alarms.

cognitively they can be anything that triggers the amygdala.

I find the term "trust" misleading and the efforts to adjust trust are fraught with mis-understanding and mis-guidance.

when you become familiar with the non-threat-ness of any particular boundary encroachment then that aspect of that boundary encroachment can be learned as a DO NOT AMYDALA-fie me now condition.

This is not an easy thing to do once the fences are up, and it sounds like you had reasons to keep the world at bay for a long time.

as for sweetners, eliminate them all, there is plenty of dopaminic satisfaction in the umami range - some anchovy products with extra virgin olive oil are astonishingly good


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
    #28234674 - 03/18/23 07:36 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

And I am trying to share that with other people, at least I think I am.

Mission accomplished here, thanks :heart:


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28234709 - 03/18/23 08:29 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

I find the term "trust" misleading and the efforts to adjust trust are fraught with mis-understanding and mis-guidance.

How do you see trust? Letting others "in"? Or the absence of amygdala activation?

Trust is earned and I see your description of ceasing amygdala activation as relearning trust.

The question for me in regards to this is of course the following. Blind trust (not knowing better) was what initially triggered strong amygdala activation. And so one naturally would not want to go in blindly again.

In your description familiarity would be learning. But it is really learning familiarity and what it means to relax through non-engagement. It is the non-engagement which enables relaxation and to learn to trust your decision making again. I think the first engagement was of course very relaxed but it led to what? And so if one has earned relaxed and trustworthy non-engagement, what is earned through returning to the same type of relaxed but blind engagement? Or am I missing something about this proposed loop?


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: Kickle]
    #28234714 - 03/18/23 08:39 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

What was built.



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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: Kickle]
    #28234724 - 03/18/23 08:47 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

Lost me now

I'm guessing this is related to wanting a piece of American pie? I'm not sure it's worth giving up peace for a piece. But everyone has to decide what they are after in this world.

And of course an old American motto is "nothing ventured nothing gained". I just happen to look at what America thinks it's gaining through it's ventures and think, hmmm...

I'll take nothing instead


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: Kickle]
    #28234731 - 03/18/23 08:51 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

No, I think we took experience, reflexive or otherwise, from the interaction, adding to the pile.

Or at least in my experience I did.


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
    #28234737 - 03/18/23 08:55 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

I agree. But maybe what I took is different from what you took. I took understanding of where relaxation comes from.


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: Kickle]
    #28234739 - 03/18/23 08:56 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

That sounds like an aspect of it to me.


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
    #28234743 - 03/18/23 09:00 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

Maybe you took more :smile:
I just took what I needed
You probably did too

Do you. I just couldn't follow the loop


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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: Kickle]
    #28234750 - 03/18/23 09:11 AM (10 months, 6 days ago)

I don't think I have a need in all this. Or atleast I think my needs are relatively well met.

It's just an enjoyable interaction that may end up informative, which I appreciate.


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