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Western Asceticism 2
#28231492 - 03/16/23 01:56 AM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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If someone asked me what religion I ascribed to, I think my answer would be;
I believe I have views similar to the idea of Modern Asceticism. A practice that doesn't emphasise, encourage or characterise absolute abstainance or indulgance but attempting to achieve a reasonable or sustainable balance between the two.
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Modern asceticism is characterized by a focus on intentional living, simplicity, and mindful consumption. It involves a deliberate choice to limit or abstain from certain activities or possessions that are seen as unnecessary or distracting from one's spiritual or personal growth.
This can take many forms, from reducing one's use of technology or social media to practicing minimalism in one's home or lifestyle. The goal is not necessarily to completely eliminate pleasure or comfort, but rather to cultivate a greater sense of awareness and purpose in one's life.
Modern asceticism is often influenced by Eastern philosophies such as Buddhism and Taoism, but it can also be seen as a continuation of Western ascetic traditions. It is a way of finding balance and harmony in a world that can often be overwhelming and distracting.
I think that a strong baseline or foundational pillar can be an important idea to develop to help individuals come to an understanding of what it takes to make progress in personal growth.
To start with the simple idea that expectations can become premeditated resentments. An important lesson to learn is that you don't always get what you want from the world because it doesn't work that way.
To hold dear that ignorance only means not knowing, and not knowing is not so bad as being unwilling to learn.
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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
#28231514 - 03/16/23 02:42 AM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
#28231592 - 03/16/23 06:17 AM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Asceticm might then remove themselves from the busy streets of city and suburb, preferring a simpler and closer connection with community, thus mirroring the settlers hope for religious freedom only to butt heads with the cattle barons who reject the idea of your fence.
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do the settlers children ever get to be free of the settlers?
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Sure. They can have their fences and sandcastles.
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Buster_Brown said: Asceticm might then remove themselves from the busy streets of city and suburb, preferring a simpler and closer connection with community, thus mirroring the settlers hope for religious freedom only to butt heads with the cattle barons who reject the idea of your fence.
This ain't historical asceticism, there is no requirement or doctrine, only a method that can be chosen to be followed and applied to certain parts of an individuals life.
There's absolutely no need to remove ones self from a city or urban/suburban environment.
Nor is community highlighted in any way.
This view has total 'religious freedom' because it doesn't aim to oppress the rights or freedoms of any other individual, and the actions of others don't influence it. It is a view of total self responsibility in mine.
There is no fence, just a set of personal boundaries.
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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
#28232268 - 03/16/23 04:11 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Brendan Flock says Angels like to glide the angles and demons like to punch, which leaves me questioning whether pointing out that a boundary is indeed a fence may be a derogatory slap.
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If you wanted to call my personal boundary a fence then sure, the semantics are close enough.
But my personal boundary doesn't impact you. If I choose to not have drinks that contain sugar, and if you or anyone else had a problem with that, I don't think it would be one related to me or my fences.
I think this talk of demons punching and derogatory slapping is creative, but I'm not sure why it's involved here.
Do you think my personal boundaries would effect you? Or if so, how?
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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
#28232283 - 03/16/23 04:19 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
#28232295 - 03/16/23 04:34 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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sudly said:... my personal boundary doesn't impact you. If I choose to not have drinks that contain sugar, and if you or anyone else had a problem with that, I don't think it would be one related to me or my fences.
I think I saw a rejection of boundaries being implicitly a fence and now an acceptance of sugar in drinks as a suitable catch-all for differences. But fast-forward to what that might affect me is the pertinent point, and the 64 thousand dollar question, to which I have to reply thankyou for the entertainment.
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are we thinking while stoned or what?
I hope so.
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Buster_Brown said:
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sudly said:... my personal boundary doesn't impact you. If I choose to not have drinks that contain sugar, and if you or anyone else had a problem with that, I don't think it would be one related to me or my fences.
I think I saw a rejection of boundaries being implicitly a fence and now an acceptance of sugar in drinks as a suitable catch-all for differences. But fast-forward to what that might affect me is the pertinent point, and the 64 thousand dollar question, to which I have to reply thankyou for the entertainment.
Do you reject my boundaries of sugar free vanilla coke?
I've lost 7kg over the last few months with my decisions to stick to sugar free drinks and limiting my sugar intake. It's been difficult to adapt to at times but I've become rather comfortable with my routines and can more easily make decisions in favor of my own health.
I mean you could reply to the question of how this would effect you in any way.
This all said, I've stuck to sugar free drinks very well, but I did at one time buy a sugar vanilla coke on accident and still drunk most of it. This isn't about life abstainance and celibacy from sugar, but about actively making decisions within my lifestyle for long term personal benefit.
It's almost at the point now that I reflexively avoid sugary drinks.
Like the other day when someone asked if I wanted a slushie from maccas, I did but then remembered the sugar contents of a slushie and was fine not to have one.
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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly]
#28232362 - 03/16/23 05:32 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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I think that's awesome. I've been spending more time on diet too.
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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: Kickle]
#28233035 - 03/16/23 11:36 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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I would prefer to be able to shoot my shot and not hold onto expectations about them.
Thinking about the kind of person that person is, and not wanting to be responsible for the emotional security of someone else, I can do the same and just enjoy myself. If person wants to be involved with me and my shenanigans then they will let me know in whatever way they choose.
If it comes to it, I can let them know too, but right now it's just getting to know someone and focusing mainly on my own personal goals of self development.
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Re: Western Asceticism [Re: sudly] 1
#28233209 - 03/17/23 05:50 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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sudly said:
Do you reject my boundaries of sugar free vanilla coke?
Simply put the Angel is a trapeze artist who floats from one swing to another before shinnying down the pole. Obviously to avoid mishap we must insist that the second swing exists as fact rather than as an argumentative mechanism.
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sudly said: I mean you could reply to the question of how this would effect you in any way.
That the second swing has to exist struck me like an epiphany, so again thankyou for that.
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check first for condition of second swing
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Choose one that will support a flying elephant.
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you're a big boy, eh?
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To count calories or not to count calories, that is the question.
Do you follow an ascetic leaning contrary to the calorie packers?
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