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Florida lawmakers want to set the age limit for kratom use at 21
    #28226434 - 03/12/23 01:14 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Florida lawmakers want to set the age limit for kratom use at 21
March 12, 2023 - WGCU

Florida lawmakers are moving forward with a bipartisan plan to regulate the use of kratom, an herbal supplement that causes opioid- and stimulant-like effects.

“We don’t want anybody to spike it or to cut it," said state Sen. Joe Gruters (R-Sarasota). "We want an unadulterated, pure form going to the consumer at the end of the day.”

The Florida Kratom Consumer Protection Act would ban kratom manufacturers and sellers from mixing the substance with illegal drugs and synthetic compounds. It would also set the age limit to purchase and consume kratom at 21 years old. The measure has received unanimous support in both the House and Senate as it moves through the committee process.

Right now, there are no state or federal kratom regulations.

Under the proposal, kratom packaging in Florida would have to include a suggested serving size and directions for taking the substance safely.

“Kratom solves a lot of issues," Gruters said. "It helps people get off opioids. It’s used for pain relief. There are many retailers and establishments out there that sells kratom.”

Gruters represents Sarasota County, the only county in the state where kratom is banned. Other states have banned the substance, too.

The National Institute on Drug Abuse reports there have been a few kratom-related deaths, and in nearly all of those cases there were other drugs or contaminants found in the user's system.

The Food and Drug Administration has issued a statement expressing the agency's support for banning kratom, as its use may lead to addiction. Kratom dependency can cause physical withdrawal symptoms similar to opioids.

About a month ago, Caleb Curl opened Kameleon Kava & Coffee in Tallahassee’s Railroad Square. The cafe serves kratom drinks, along with kava and coffee. They primarily serve college students and young professionals, he said.

“It’s as if a coffee shop, a bar and a church had a baby, this is what you get," Curl said. "You get the community feel of a church, seeing the same people every week. You get the social scene of a bar, and the aesthetics and networking of a coffee shop.”

Curl says he supports measures to regulate the contents of kratom products, but he’s not in favor of setting the age limit of kratom use to 21.

“We have a lot of students who come in and all they simply want to order is kratom," Curl said. "I think that would turn off a lot of students from coming in if they know that they can’t buy kratom anymore, granted we do have other alternatives that they could consume while sitting in here."

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Re: Florida lawmakers want to set the age limit for kratom use at 21 [Re: veggie]
    #28226450 - 03/12/23 01:24 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

What alternatives?:awesketch:


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Re: Florida lawmakers want to set the age limit for kratom use at 21 [Re: Amanita86]
    #28226641 - 03/12/23 04:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

"What alternatives?"

'gas-station heroin', of course. :smirk:

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Re: Florida lawmakers want to set the age limit for kratom use at 21 [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28226663 - 03/12/23 04:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

This makes sense to me, those extra few years give kids a chance to really hit rock-bottom before going clean.

Builds character.


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Re: Florida lawmakers want to set the age limit for kratom use at 21 [Re: B Traven]
    #28226689 - 03/12/23 05:37 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

As a Floridian, I'm OK with this.  It sounds reasonable and actually beneficial in a few ways.  I just hope there is nothing weird hidden in it.  They seem to like to do that here.


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Re: Florida lawmakers want to set the age limit for kratom use at 21 [Re: ilus]
    #28226742 - 03/12/23 06:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Not a Floridian myself, but I am OK with this also. Most people with a goal towards harm reduction would like to see drugs legal and regulated. This law would answer the critics who falsely claim kratom dealers sell to small children, lace it with fentanyl, thus killing people across the country.

The age could have lower, say 18, but sometime compromises have to be made to get things done.

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Re: Florida lawmakers want to set the age limit for kratom use at 21 [Re: veggie]
    #28226746 - 03/12/23 06:36 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

As someone who did a decade or so in the Sunshine State, I'm skeptical of everything they come up with in Tallahassee.

I'm also just generally in favor of one single age of majority.


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Re: Florida lawmakers want to set the age limit for kratom use at 21 [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28229346 - 03/14/23 12:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Gainesville’s kratom community weighs in on state legislation to raise the minimum age to 21
March 13, 2023 - WUFT

The Florida Legislature’s second recent endeavor in regulating kratom, an herbal extract that creates effects similar to stimulants and sedatives, won unanimous approval in the House of Representatives on Thursday and is on its way to the Senate.

HB 179, named the “Florida Kratom Consumer Protection Act,” will establish the minimum age to purchase kratom at 21 years old where there isn’t already a set legal age.

Supporters of the bill argue that kratom has the potential to be addictive, while opponents say it is a healthier alternative to most recreational drugs. With no federal legislation on the substance as more research emerges, states are left to draft their own regulations.

Kratom refers to both the powdered leaf extract as well as the Mitragyna Speciosa tree from Southeast Asia, usually consumed in a tea or dietary supplement.



Marc Haddow, a public policy expert for the American Kratom Association, said kratom is described as a food rather than a controlled substance, which is why the DEA was unsuccessful in labeling it a Schedule 1 drug in 2016. However, the FDA labeled it an “adulterating ingredient” in 2015, allowing it to seize tons of dietary supplements that contained the substance.

“The FDA is all out of their lane on this issue, because they have this inherent bias against all dietary supplements and botanical supplements,” he said.

The AKA is an advocacy group that works with various state governments to lobby for kratom regulation. Although the organization advocates for the minimum drinking age to be 18, Haddow said he respects the bill’s decision to establish it at 21.

He said the kratom market is expanding in the U.S. so the products should be regulated to promote its medicinal properties.

“You have a product that helps people with managing pain, and also for alertness and increasing focus in low doses,” he said. “Kratom that’s properly manufactured, labeled properly and restricted to minors is a safe product.”

David Chambers, 40, consumed kratom to help him stop drinking alcohol. However, he found that the substance gradually turned into a habit.

“I went to the truck to grab a tool and found myself with [kratom] powder in one hand and a water bottle in the other, completely unintentionally” he said.

About six months into drinking kratom, his therapist urged him into rehab to quit the substance, he said.

He said he supports the bill because younger people are more prone to forming addictions with substances.

“You can increase the likelihood of somebody becoming an addict by exposing them early enough in life,” he said.

Daniel Perea has served kratom behind the bar of Mai Kai for nearly four years. He said the kratom community in Gainesville has grown throughout his time, where more people come regularly to hang out or do work on their laptops.

“It’s like a coffee shop kind of vibe,” he said.

He discourages minors from consuming kratom, and the bar doesn’t appeal to that crowd, he said. Asking patrons for their ID is done out of personal judgment, but he is not looking forward to IDing most patrons if the bill passes, he said.

“We don’t want to turn anyone away, because we think it’s a good place for the Gainesville community to come get to know each other, swap ideas, create collaborations,” he said.

He said he’s been sober for six years and enjoys kratom for its mild effects. He compared kratom to coffee where it’s possible to build bad habits, but it doesn’t change one’s personality like alcohol abuse does, he said.

“It doesn’t affect your balance. It doesn’t poison the organs in your body. It’s not nearly as damaging as some of the other stuff that is FDA approved.”

Perea handed a cup of Mai Tai, a single shot kratom beverage, to Ruben Gonzales-Vera, a 21-year-old UF student.

Vera took a sip and sat down at the wooden booth to type away on his laptop. He said he regularly comes to the kratom bar to study and hang out with friends.

“I have a problem where I tend to drink a lot of coffee,” he said. “So it’s a bit healthy for me to actually consume kava and kratom, because it has very little addictive effects, and it’s not gonna mess with my heart.”

He said he first tried kratom at 18 years old in his hometown Sarasota, despite the county being the only in Florida to fully ban the substance. He said he traveled 20 minutes north to Manatee County to hang out at Manna Tea Kava and Kratom Bar.

“Given the fact that I was 18 and there was nothing else in my hometown to do, it was either do something that is not good for me or go to Manna Tea and just…go to the open mics and comedy nights and meet interesting people.”

He said the new bill would result in more fake ID use and encourage alcohol drinking, as drinking alcohol will get users more intoxicated than kratom if both are outlawed for people under 21.

“I’ve seen kratom spaces to be a great way for people 18 to 21 to actually find a spot to meet new people and talk with people who are very different than yourself.”

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