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Covering last night where "ideas do not separate from their source," which is why this world of perception is considered upside down. The world is the effect of our ideas and not different from them. It kind of flickers in and out, the computer monitor, the external returning as one with the subject, mind. Excellent when happening with the body, it joining. If only, I sigh. Was also covering how we delay, seeing effects apart from causes, sacrificing ourselves to time.
I think I mentioned this before, but found years ago that contemplating object as one with subject can form the halo light around the head - the principle of unity radiates from the heart.
Going through the teaching, it can happen in flashes, where Ideation shows as comprehensive, meaning where there is nothing apart which can happen as mind only. It must be exclusive. Mind is one, or the way is shut.
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
#28059533 - 11/19/22 06:40 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Join me, and regain your honor - what say you!
sorry, Aragorn stepped in. As I found myself at the gate of Dunharrow.
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
#28059640 - 11/19/22 08:01 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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In the chapter that is talking of delay:
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3. Whenever you consent to suffer pain, to be deprived, unfairly treated or in need of anything, you but accuse your brother of attack upon God’s Son (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/306#3:1 | T-27.I.3:1)
This is profound because to me it is hidden. I can't grasp it again right now. But in a moment of release I saw that it is because I thought an outside mind would want me to be delayed. It appeared as an elder sibling. These parental figures where we project guilt, ... It is essentially the thought that God would have us guilty, the essence of ego and fundamentalism, at least in a way of perhaps misinterpretation.
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
#28061197 - 11/20/22 06:53 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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This is Dolores Cannon saying we are not supposed to ever be sick. https://twitter.com/thehealthb0t/status/1594314766947946502
I recently went through a part in the course addressing sickness similarly in the section, The Fear of Healing.
Yogis as well have said that we can be self-sufficient until the day we pass.
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
#28084316 - 12/05/22 07:27 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Not far from finishing, take two! Though these last chapters are not going quickly.
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Chapter 29
The Awakening
I. The Closing of the Gap
1. There is no time, no place, no state where God is absent. ²There is nothing to be feared. ³There is no way in which a gap could be conceived of in the Wholeness that is His. ⁴The compromise the least and littlest gap would represent in His eternal Love is quite impossible. ⁵For it would mean His Love could harbor just a hint of hate, His gentleness turn sometimes to attack, and His eternal patience sometimes fail. ⁶All this do you believe, when you perceive a gap between your brother and yourself. ⁷How could you trust Him, then? ⁸For He must be deceptive in His Love. ⁹Be wary, then; let Him not come too close, and leave a gap between you and His Love, through which you can escape if there be need for you to flee.
2. Here is the fear of God most plainly seen. ²For love _is_ treacherous to those who fear, since fear and hate can never be apart. ³No one who hates but is afraid of love, and therefore must he be afraid of God. ⁴Certain it is he knows not what love means. ⁵He fears to love and loves to hate, and so he thinks that love is fearful; hate is love. ⁶This is the consequence the little gap must bring to those who cherish it, and think that it is their salvation and their hope.
3. The fear of God! ²The greatest obstacle that peace must flow across has not yet gone. ³The rest are past, but this one still remains to block your path, and make the way to light seem dark and fearful, perilous and bleak. ⁴You had decided that your brother is your enemy. ⁵Sometimes a friend, perhaps, provided that your separate interests made your friendship possible a little while. ⁶But not without a gap perceived between you and him, lest he turn again into an enemy. ⁷Let him come close to you, and you jumped back; as you approached, did he but instantly withdraw. ⁸A cautious friendship, and limited in scope and carefully restricted in amount, became the treaty that you had made with him. ⁹Thus you and your brother but shared a qualified entente, in which a clause of separation was a point you both agreed to keep intact. ¹⁰And violating this was thought to be a breach of treaty not to be allowed.
4. The gap between you and your brother is not one of space between two separate bodies. ²And this but seems to be dividing off your separate minds. ³It is the symbol of a promise made to meet when you prefer, and separate till you and he elect to meet again. ⁴And then your bodies seem to get in touch, and thereby signify a meeting place to join. ⁵But always is it possible for you and him to go your separate ways. ⁶Conditional upon the “right” to separate will you and he agree to meet from time to time, and keep apart in intervals of separation, which do protect you from the “sacrifice” of love. ⁷The body saves you, for it gets away from total sacrifice and gives to you the time in which to build again your separate self, which you truly believe diminishes as you and your brother meet.
5. The body could not separate your mind from your brother’s unless you wanted it to be a cause of separation and of distance seen between you and him. ²Thus do you endow it with a power that lies not within itself. ³And herein lies its power over you. ⁴For now you think that it determines when your brother and you meet, and limits your ability to make communion with your brother’s mind. ⁵And now it tells you where to go and how to go there, what is feasible for you to undertake, and what you cannot do. ⁶It dictates what its health can tolerate, and what will tire it and make it sick. ⁷And its “inherent” weaknesses set up the limitations on what you would do, and keep your purpose limited and weak.
6. The body will accommodate to this, if you would have it so. ²It will allow but limited indulgences in “love,” with intervals of hatred in between. ³And it will take command of when to “love,” and when to shrink more safely into fear. ⁴It will be sick because you do not know what loving means. ⁵And so you must misuse each circumstance and everyone you meet, and see in them a purpose not your own.
7. It is not love that asks a sacrifice. ²But fear demands the sacrifice of love, for in love’s presence fear cannot abide. ³For hate to be maintained, love must be feared; and only sometimes present, sometimes gone. ⁴Thus is love seen as treacherous, because it seems to come and go uncertainly, and offer no stability to you. ⁵You do not see how limited and weak is your allegiance, and how frequently you have demanded that love go away, and leave you quietly alone in “peace.”
8. The body, innocent of goals, is your excuse for variable goals you hold, and force the body to maintain. ²You do not fear its weakness, but its lack of strength _or_ weakness. ³Would you know that nothing stands between you and your brother? ⁴Would you know there is no gap behind which you can hide? ⁵There is a shock that comes to those who learn their savior is their enemy no more. ⁶There is a wariness that is aroused by learning that the body is not real. ⁷And there are overtones of seeming fear around the happy message, “God is Love.”
9. Yet all that happens when the gap is gone is peace eternal. ²Nothing more than that, and nothing less. ³Without the fear of God, what could induce you to abandon Him? ⁴What toys or trinkets in the gap could serve to hold you back an instant from His Love? ⁵Would you allow the body to say “no” to Heaven’s calling, were you not afraid to find a loss of self in finding God? ⁶Yet can your self be lost by being found? (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/323#1:1-9:6 | T-29.I.1:1–9:6)
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
#28084591 - 12/05/22 10:51 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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"³There is no way in which a gap could be conceived of in the Wholeness that is His."
This goes the the discussion around the Gita as well, God not having any idea what we are doing either. They are in me, but I not in them, paraphrased.
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The Gita as well speaks of that part, eh? It's been so long since I've read it.
Basically just saying that God doesn't see or acknowledge the separate selfs (ego) since it doesn't exist anyway, right?
That's a good passage btw...
Reminds me of how many times he repeats in the book, "God has ONE son", and how much importance lies in that single statement.
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Yeah. Some of it is hitting hard on the anti-body - this part shook me up today.
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7. The body does not change. ²It represents the larger dream that change is possible. ³To change is to attain a state unlike the one in which you found yourself before. ⁴There is no change in immortality, and Heaven knows it not. ⁵Yet here on earth it has a double purpose, for it can be made to teach opposing things. ⁶And they reflect the teacher who is teaching them. ⁷The body can appear to change with time, with sickness or with health, and with events that seem to alter it. ⁸Yet this but means the mind remains unchanged in its belief of what the purpose of the body is.
8. Sickness is a demand the body be a thing that it is not. ²Its nothingness is guarantee that it can _not_ be sick. ³In your demand that it be more than this lies the idea of sickness. ⁴For it asks that God be less than all He really is. ⁵What, then, becomes of you, for it is you of whom the sacrifice is asked? ⁶For He is told that part of Him belongs to Him no longer. ⁷He must sacrifice your self, and in His sacrifice are you made more and He is lessened by the loss of you. ⁸And what is gone from Him becomes your god, protecting you from being part of Him.
9. The body that is asked to be a god will be attacked, because its nothingness has not been recognized. ²And so it seems to be a thing with power in itself. ³As something, it can be perceived and thought to feel and act, and hold you in its grasp as prisoner to itself. ⁴And it can fail to be what you demanded that it be. ⁵And you will hate it for its littleness, unmindful that the failure does not lie in that it is not more than it should be, but only in your failure to perceive that it is nothing. ⁶Yet its nothingness is your salvation, from which you would flee. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/324#7:1-9:6 | T-29.II.7:1–9:6)
That we would flee the body if we could brought up emotion, but I suppose it's true as we like fleeing the body in sleep, and in a sense attempt to do so in every pleasure we seek, and every pain we avert.
As the waking state is where most any suffering occurs, I was paying attention today at the moment I would open my physical eyes to this world from a sleepy meditative state, there was some pain observed in it.
A helpful solution came to say, the body, its senses, do not limit me, or do not limit God. It's a good one to affirm for other souls.
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The Sun is also a symbol of the soul.
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
#28181720 - 02/11/23 03:54 AM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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Thanks for directing me here Syncro, i'm so excited to find some other mushroom growers that are also interested in the course. How are you getting on with it?
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I finished it for the second time a couple of months ago. I'm considering reading again or ongoing. I don't grow or take entheogens, though did do a smaller dose recently for the first time in many years. But mantra and teachings like this, sharing with like minds, are my shrooms. I find much in common with tantric practice and the way the community is with entheogens.
As for the course, it went silent when I finished, kind of meloncholy and drifting. I had a bit of a grumpy moment with Christ who was present in my mind - just stupid stuff, perceived conflict in focus with other practice, thoughts of unworthiness or not having accomplished as I should...
I did write this but had not posted.
12/15/22
I've finished the text - it's been a long time since the first read. I was considering what stood out or effected me differently than in the first.
There is so much in the volume, but that we need actually do nothing I was hearing more, in releasing what we think we are, and that reflected in what we think others are, the truth fills in, never having been absent. Actually the principle exercise is to release what we think others are, this being the mechanism of our bondage and liberation. However we see others is what we see ourselves to be.
When given meditation, it is emphasized to be in the spirit of helping others, but the course drives this deeply, going to the core of what is the ego vs the Self. It is a dual influence of a sort, the Self-realization in meditative pursuits, and the Other-realization in such as the course, both the same, though one pushing, the other pulling as it were - the expulsion of ego nature, which is really nothing at all.
There is peace in accepting one's function. The question may be how we can liberate others without being first liberated ourselves, but the course reverses it and teaches that we must first offer it to others, seeing in them the liberated without which we could not be, and with, the completion of it. The bondage, ignorance, of ego is seeing ourselves as separated into bodies. The teaching is deeply involved in the binding aspects of guilt and hatred, largely underneath our awareness, that maintains the veil. It is not that we assume ourselves to have such capability, to liberate, in our condition, but exactly that we do not, acknowledging that we do not understand any purpose here, and giving it to that which is beyond.
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
#28181767 - 02/11/23 05:52 AM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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Hi Syncro, sorry to hear you've been having some trouble with thoughts of unworthiness. I can deeply relate to that feeling of not having accomplished what you "should". I often feel I need to be working harder with the course and feel I am as trapped in this bodily identity more than ever. Of course, that's how my ego likes me to see it, so I should really be patting myself on the back for a job well done!
Have you ever listened to Ken Wapnick's talks? He really encourages gentleness which really helps when the going gets tough. I can't tell you how much it's helped me.
I really enjoyed reading your summary of your latest reading of the course. It shows a real understanding of the metaphysics. I can't find anything I disagree with which might be a first for me lol
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I listened to a bit of Wapnick when I was finding more about Helen Schucman. I tend to not be very gentle with myself regarding progress, though the Self has no judgement. Describes ego to a T I guess.
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
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I had an interesting experience yesterday with an associate of many years, the kind of relationship that can trigger into judgement and anger. She's perfect at pissing me off - we are old fellow meditators so have been through process together including raising and sharing each others' kids, etc. Anyway, so yesterday she pisses me off with her actions and afterward I'm considering - and I thought to see her as more evolved than less if that makes sense - to see her as a buddha or the like. When I acknowledged her more as a person of no rank, one that is free (the ten oxherding pictures), judgement left, the clinging left. Who am I to question her? These were my expectations of something - what use to put them on a mukta and interpret their actions? It reflected to me the teachings of the course profoundly.
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
#28183642 - 02/12/23 09:12 AM (11 months, 9 days ago) |
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It leads to the considerations of what is meant by relationship in the course. In my interpretation, relationship must be meant to encompass all perception, not just that with people, though they are key in aspects. But we (I) carry judgements in everything, much in the conditions of the body. Again, what place do I have to judge perception(s) in light of wisdom teaching? Judgement is binding habit like guilt. Our bodies, all perceptions then, are entities of no rank that cannot be comprehended.
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
#28189608 - 02/16/23 12:05 AM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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Sounds like you were able to step back and see your friend without judgement for a bit.
So your friend is also on a spiritual path. I don't know if it's the same for you, but no-one annoys me in quite the same way as other 'spiritual' people. They're always "doing it wrong" or worse, trying to "help". All things I do myself though! I do that a lot less now but early on I was always trying to show people the way and point out the errors of their ways. So much happier to just love people for how they are - not blissfully ignore their errors mind, but see that they're on a path just like me and I make error all the time. Love doesn't sit and judge my errors so why should I sit and judge another's?
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One can basically reduce this entire Course to that one phrase—the journey from mindlessness to mindfulness. That’s what it is—very, very simple. We go from the mindless, the body, back to the mind where we could choose again. But you have to realize, and this puts it in some kind of perspective, that the entire physical universe, the cosmos, this galaxy, all of the galaxy—the entire universe, not to mention the universe of our individual bodies—that whole thing was made as a defense against the mind. Because the ego tells us, in the mind you’ll be destroyed.
Kenneth Wapnick, Ph.D.
Specialness: “Simple Truth Suppressed”
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tinymadidea said: One can basically reduce this entire Course to that one phrase—the journey from mindlessness to mindfulness. That’s what it is—very, very simple. We go from the mindless, the body, back to the mind where we could choose again. But you have to realize, and this puts it in some kind of perspective, that the entire physical universe, the cosmos, this galaxy, all of the galaxy—the entire universe, not to mention the universe of our individual bodies—that whole thing was made as a defense against the mind. Because the ego tells us, in the mind you’ll be destroyed.
Kenneth Wapnick, Ph.D.
Specialness: “Simple Truth Suppressed”
I like the way it's put there, very simple and true.
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I'm looking for more in that source, Specialness: “Simple Truth Suppressed” - is it a book?
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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
#28216748 - 03/06/23 12:30 AM (10 months, 18 days ago) |
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syncro said: I'm looking for more in that source, Specialness: “Simple Truth Suppressed” - is it a book?
I get these posted on FB from time to time but not too sure the original source of this one as I can't find "simple truth suppressed" when I search. I'll ask for where the quote came from.
EDIT https://facimstore.org/products/the-quiet-center-through-specialness-to-love-cd?_pos=1&_sid=801ccfc5a&_ss=r
It looks as if it is part of this class called "The Quiet Centre". Not one i've listened to but it sounds interesting.
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