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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Moshe]
    #28212556 - 03/03/23 01:47 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

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Moshe said:
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Jean-Luc Picard said:
Obviously I lost, because Moshe is butthurt. That wasn't my intention
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spirit_shadow said:
:tldr: who won the argument? :awehigh:



Nobody wins, Moshe is butthurt :sorry:




Wait what? I'm not butthurt!




Bruh you so mad :omgawesome:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard]
    #28212571 - 03/03/23 01:57 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

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Jean-Luc Picard said:
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Moshe said:
Cmon man :/ You know what i'm talking about. It is not very difficult to generate human looking text now if you haven't noticed




And in case you haven't noticed, there's an arms race in the AI community, where every text generating AI almost immediately has a complimentary AI-generated text detection AI. :cookiemonster: You could probably check for yourself if there is a high liklihood that this whole forum or this whole thread is AI-generated, if you wanted to.

Not to mention the whole argument that, if there is an AI that so convincingly mimics human thought and communication, does it really matter whether or not you're interacting with a human or an AI? You won't be able to tell the difference, and if said AI can effectively convince you that its human AND have enough spare computing power to bake in manipulation tactics for your downfall or its personal gain, then you have no control over the situation anyway, at least relative to similar interactions with other humans that you'll also never meet in-person or verify their status as truly human, so why do you care? Why choose to feel scared about it?




Resources well spent, i guess :shrug:

I was talking about a "generative AI" though (ChatGPT kinda deal, not Skynet), trained to spread disinformation, or say as part of a social network engagement mechanism, creating increasingly bizarre echo chambers.
Imagine a feedback loop of two competing AI's...

Why do i care? Because i can influence another human. Why don't you care?

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Bruh you so mad :omgawesome:



i'm not in a any capacity of being mad right now (or any time really, not the getting mad type).

(sorry for the short replies, english pretty hard after 3L of beer) :lol::lol::lol:



Edited by Moshe (03/03/23 02:13 PM)


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Eugene Gesuale]
    #28212585 - 03/03/23 02:15 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

Jim morrisons original lyrics, but it didn't flow right.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Moshe]
    #28212588 - 03/03/23 02:17 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

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Moshe said:
Quote:

Jean-Luc Picard said:
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Moshe said:
Cmon man :/ You know what i'm talking about. It is not very difficult to generate human looking text now if you haven't noticed




And in case you haven't noticed, there's an arms race in the AI community, where every text generating AI almost immediately has a complimentary AI-generated text detection AI. :cookiemonster: You could probably check for yourself if there is a high liklihood that this whole forum or this whole thread is AI-generated, if you wanted to.

Not to mention the whole argument that, if there is an AI that so convincingly mimics human thought and communication, does it really matter whether or not you're interacting with a human or an AI? You won't be able to tell the difference, and if said AI can effectively convince you that its human AND have enough spare computing power to bake in manipulation tactics for your downfall or its personal gain, then you have no control over the situation anyway, at least relative to similar interactions with other humans that you'll also never meet in-person or verify their status as truly human, so why do you care? Why choose to feel scared about it?




Resources well spent, i guess :shrug:

I was talking about a "generative AI" though (ChatGPT kinda deal, not Skynet), trained to spread disinformation, or say as part of a social network engagement mechanism, creating increasingly bizarre echo chambers.
Imagine a feedback loop of two competing AI's...

Why do i care? Because i can influence another human. Why don't you care?




I know what you meant, an AI that is so convincingly human that a large portion of people can't tell the difference, with a motive or goal to manipulate human users.

There are also real humans online, who make a day job of spreading convincing disinformation to other humans with the intent to deceive and manipulate those humans. Are you equally scared of those entities, or do you feel like you're somehow smarter or otherwise more equipped to sift through their misinformation and manipulation tactics than you would be against an AI?

My comment still stands, if part of appearing human is to have the capacity to be influenced by other humans, wouldn't a convincing AI be able to effectively mimic that behavior to such an extent that you couldn't tell the difference? Other humans do it online all the time, acting interested in what you have to say, even capitulating to logical arguments or evidence, but never truly changing their stance on things. In the context of online, text-based interaction in the era of convincing AI, it is impossible to prove definitively that anybody or anything online is human or human-generated, respectively. So, why bother getting scared or upset about it? If you want to truly know that your communication efforts are going towards a human, go out and talk to real people in the real world. Otherwise, you are always running the risk of your interactions online being with a convincing AI. Accept the risk, or don't...but it makes no sense to be scared about the risk of your BS on here being an interaction with AI. If you fail to influence a real human because of this, what have you truly lost? A few calories, a few minutes of time?


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard]
    #28212642 - 03/03/23 03:10 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

Some of you guys might be too noobish to the shroomery for this but
:picdidnthappen:
To prove you aren’t AI


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Eugene Gesuale]
    #28212655 - 03/03/23 03:26 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

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Adrenognome said:
Some of you guys might be too noobish to the shroomery for this but
:picdidnthappen:
To prove you aren’t AI



That's a good litmus test for the n00b level of anyone on the interwebs these days.

Right up there with All your base are belong to us


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard] * 2
    #28212703 - 03/03/23 03:57 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

Yvan Eht Nioj


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28212708 - 03/03/23 03:59 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

:paw:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28212786 - 03/03/23 04:30 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

BECAUSE I PLAYED APEX :ancientaliens:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard] * 1
    #28212908 - 03/03/23 05:54 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

Quote:

Jean-Luc Picard said:
Quote:

Adrenognome said:
Some of you guys might be too noobish to the shroomery for this but
:picdidnthappen:
To prove you aren’t AI



That's a good litmus test for the n00b level of anyone on the interwebs these days.

Right up there with All your base are belong to us




Ha. Someone set us up the bomb.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: GenericHero] * 3
    #28213014 - 03/03/23 07:16 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

Unpopular opinion:

I don't understand the appeal of The Grateful Dead.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: uninc4life2010] * 1
    #28213019 - 03/03/23 07:21 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

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uninc4life2010 said:
Unpopular opinion:

I don't understand the appeal of The Grateful Dead.





take some lsd and listen to them. that might help


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28213024 - 03/03/23 07:27 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

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split_by_nine said:
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uninc4life2010 said:
Unpopular opinion:

I don't understand the appeal of The Grateful Dead.





take some lsd and listen to them. that might help




I figured that LSD had something to do with it.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #28213031 - 03/03/23 07:34 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

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uninc4life2010 said:
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split_by_nine said:
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uninc4life2010 said:
Unpopular opinion:

I don't understand the appeal of The Grateful Dead.





take some lsd and listen to them. that might help




I figured that LSD had something to do with it.



The Grateful Dead has had so much of a following, with so many different types of people, that there’s something to be said. Their following ranges from everyone you could imagine. Doctors, preachers, hippies, junkies, Christians, literally every category of people have been infatuated with Jerry for one reason or another. That’s why I was interested to begin. Almost like a cult following. But I can dig it. Can you dig it? That are Uber underrated


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #28213032 - 03/03/23 07:34 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

I went to a Grateful Dead cover band concert once. 
I took 18 mg 2CB.
It was mostly fun.
I did realize while there that I'm not the biggest fan of the band, but parts of it were great. 
I feel like there isn't enough structure in the song arrangements for me to truly get into it.  :shrug:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28213065 - 03/03/23 07:51 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28213076 - 03/03/23 07:59 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

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split_by_nine said:
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uninc4life2010 said:
Unpopular opinion:

I don't understand the appeal of The Grateful Dead.





take some lsd and listen to them. that might help





I don't think it sounds the greatest and it's slow


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Purple sunset] * 1
    #28213082 - 03/03/23 08:01 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

king crimson is better than the grateful dead :thumbup:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28213083 - 03/03/23 08:02 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

Anything very fast beat


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Eugene Gesuale]
    #28213095 - 03/03/23 08:12 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

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Adrenognome said:
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lifeiswhatyoumake said:
I went to a Grateful Dead cover band concert once. 
I took 18 mg 2CB.
It was mostly fun.
I did realize while there that I'm not the biggest fan of the band, but parts of it were great. 
I feel like there isn't enough structure in the song arrangements for me to truly get into it.  :shrug:



You need Radiohead for structure: please listen to in rainbows sometime





I will try to listen to it tomorrow!


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