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Bigbadwooof
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Rail Worker Strike
#28211907 - 03/03/23 12:16 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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I'm sure this has already been discussed around here, but I just can't get over this one. The actions of Washington on this matter have got to be the most dangerous, insidious, and disheartening thing I've seen in many years. The real cherry on top of this shit sandwich, is that Bernie Sanders capitulated, and voted against rail workers, and then paid lip service to the actions of the Democratic party on the matter.
And who stood up for us? Us laborers, that is... 8 Democrats... EIGHT... and 129 Republicans.
What the FUCK?
Democrats win elections, because of the false hope they propagate year after year. They really screwed the pooch on this one. Democrats voted "Joe the plumber" down the fucking sewer drain, but I have a feeling their fates may be intertwined.
The Dems have a death wish, and if they continue eagerly prepping their own noose, I hope they hang by it sooner, rather than later.
How can any of you call yourselves Democrats anymore? It boggles my mind that anyone who cares about politics at all could possibly support these gutless, spineless, psychopathic warhawks for one more second. I know that people hold their political values and identifications dear, but listen... It's OK to let go of a title that no longer represents you. A shameful title.
The term "Democratic voter" is synonymous with sucker. That's an objective fact. Prove me wrong.
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By the way... One interesting point that I wish to raise is the question of legality. I don't believe that it is even LEGAL for the Federal Government to end a strike in this manner, except during wartime, for essential industries. Last time I checked, we're not technically at war... Am I wrong?
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Politics is professional wrestling. What's really going on behind the scenes is much stranger, they say that anyone that catches a glimpse of it goes mad and gets obsessed with politics.
But you're not wrong that the democrats shot themselves in the foot here though. Crazy times, I wonder how all this is gonna play out?
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jack_straw2208 said: Politics is professional wrestling. What's really going on behind the scenes is much stranger, they say that anyone that catches a glimpse of it goes mad and gets obsessed with politics.
But you're not wrong that the democrats shot themselves in the foot here though. Crazy times, I wonder how all this is gonna play out?
I have a feeling we're going to start seeing more rampant voter suppression and voter fraud... Some kind of AI assisted Gerrymandering scheme... I dunno lol..
Honestly, I personally feel that Bernie was cheated out of the election, on both occasions, but... That's a discussion for another thread. The point is... If they can do it so brazenly to Bernie... well... We'll see what happens.
Trump getting elected actually, in my mind, shows that we still have a relatively functional electoral process, but... Trump wasn't exactly an anti-establishment, grass roots sort of candidate who would ever make real, lasting changes that benefit the common man.
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I agreed with some things with the ole dude....I do think teachers should be paid more, I think it was like a min of 60k. Never been a single issue voter though, and I have yet to met a politician that agreed with everything in my political stance. For instance I have voted for politicians that still have a hard on for the War on Drugs.
My biggest problem with him, that even at the helm of the Executive, no way he could do what he wanted on Healthcare given how our government works. I think what you are looking for is possible in 20 years when the the current old breed dies out.
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SirTripAlot said: I agreed with some things with the ole dude....I do think teachers should be paid more, I think it was like a min of 60k. Never been a single issue voter though, and I have yet to met a politician that agreed with everything in my political stance. For instance I have voted for politicians that still have a hard on for the War on Drugs.
My biggest problem with him, that even at the helm of the Executive, no way he could do what he wanted on Healthcare given how our government works. I think what you are looking for is possible in 20 years when the the current old breed dies out.
I can't even imagine what America will look like in 20 years. I wonder if we will have potable water... Seriously. Things can't really go on like this for two more decades, can they?
Biden just announced that they are sending money to Ukraine, to provide for healthcare, food, education, and even pensions, "So the have a little money in their pocket".
What the FUCK!?! This, while we have trains derailing and poisoning our own water supply. Biden pays no heed to any of THAT. Ironic that such a thing would happen right after the Dems quelled the rail worker strike. And what's the railroad's solution to all of these toxic chemicals laying around? "Put it in the aaaair"... lmao!
smh...
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Why did Biden crush the railroad strike?
Probably because a railway strike a year or two after a worldwide shipping collapse would cause economic chaos. Economic chaos that Biden would be blamed for, even though the only actors are railroads and railroad workers.
Why did republicans vote in favor of striking railroad workers?
Because they needed to vote against Biden, their image relies on pushing an idea that the democrats are always, 100%, wrong. Even if they end up voting pro-worker, once they know they don't have the votes for the workers to actually win, they will do it.
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Re: Rail Worker Strike [Re: Kryptos]
#28212183 - 03/03/23 08:28 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Why did Biden crush the railroad strike?
Probably because a railway strike a year or two after a worldwide shipping collapse would cause economic chaos. Economic chaos that Biden would be blamed for, even though the only actors are railroads and railroad workers.
Why did republicans vote in favor of striking railroad workers?
Because they needed to vote against Biden, their image relies on pushing an idea that the democrats are always, 100%, wrong. Even if they end up voting pro-worker, once they know they don't have the votes for the workers to actually win, they will do it.
The way things appear are often much more important than the way things are.
So, what you're saying is... The rail workers had leverage, and therefore the only sensible move was to illegally block their right to a strike?
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Essentially, yes.
The optics were very not good for Biden.
However, the railworkers pussied out just as much. We are still in an at-will employment country, and railworkers should have just quit.
Same thing as a strike, really, but without legal protections guaranteeing your job back.
It's a gamble, but so is a strike. And your average unemployment office isn't exactly filled with railway engineers, so they won't be replaced easily.
The railworkers had leverage, and when Biden said in a very stern tone "please don't use it" they decided not to use it. You can't stop someone from quitting, or from just...not doing their job. And you can't really make a skilled worker work at gunpoint, because...well, you'd need a skilled supervisor to ensure they are actually working and not randomly flipping switches.
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Bigbadwooof said: By the way... One interesting point that I wish to raise is the question of legality. I don't believe that it is even LEGAL for the Federal Government to end a strike in this manner, except during wartime, for essential industries. Last time I checked, we're not technically at war... Am I wrong?
It's legal for railway workers and air travel workers specifically
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Re: Rail Worker Strike [Re: ballsalsa]
#28212598 - 03/03/23 02:21 PM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: By the way... One interesting point that I wish to raise is the question of legality. I don't believe that it is even LEGAL for the Federal Government to end a strike in this manner, except during wartime, for essential industries. Last time I checked, we're not technically at war... Am I wrong?
It's legal for railway workers and air travel workers specifically
I think that's only when we're at war...
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Re: Rail Worker Strike [Re: Kryptos]
#28212608 - 03/03/23 02:33 PM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Kryptos said:[/b[] Essentially, yes.
The optics were very not good for Biden.
And unfortunate circumstance, indeed.
The "Optics" aren't good for Biden. That's a sufficient answer for you?
You know, it would be one thing if the rail workers were making unreasonable demands, but from what I understand, they weren't in the slightest.
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However, the railworkers pussied out just as much. We are still in an at-will employment country, and railworkers should have just quit.
Same thing as a strike, really, but without legal protections guaranteeing your job back.
It's a gamble, but so is a strike. And your average unemployment office isn't exactly filled with railway engineers, so they won't be replaced easily.
The railworkers had leverage, and when Biden said in a very stern tone "please don't use it" they decided not to use it. You can't stop someone from quitting, or from just...not doing their job. And you can't really make a skilled worker work at gunpoint, because...well, you'd need a skilled supervisor to ensure they are actually working and not randomly flipping switches.
I don't think it's right to point the finger at workers, and call them pussies for not quitting their jobs. They are organized to engage in the union process. They are not organized to collectively quit, when the government steps in and handicaps their collective bargaining efforts. If it isn't coordinated, then it will not have the effect needed to put a check on capital.
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There is no meaningful difference between being organized enough to strike and organized enough to quit.
A strike is, essentially, a short term mass quitting as a negotiation tactic.
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Re: Rail Worker Strike [Re: Kryptos]
#28212721 - 03/03/23 04:03 PM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Pretty much. Not showing up for work is grounds for termination, and in many places, if you're gone long enough it's considered a resignation.
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Re: Rail Worker Strike [Re: Enlil]
#28212988 - 03/03/23 06:50 PM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Voluntary separation
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Bigbadwooof said: By the way... One interesting point that I wish to raise is the question of legality. I don't believe that it is even LEGAL for the Federal Government to end a strike in this manner, except during wartime, for essential industries. Last time I checked, we're not technically at war... Am I wrong?
It's legal for railway workers and air travel workers specifically
I think that's only when we're at war...
Nope
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Am I the only one here that has a problem with this? What the fuck happened to you people? Yall need some more psychedelics or something...
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I'm all for freedom to strike and freedom to fire someone for striking.
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You people? Lol I know it may be the principle for you but it's not like they are starving:
https://raillaborfacts.org/total-compensation/
The average total annual compensation of rail workers involved in the most recent round of national negotiations is projected to be more than $160,000 by the end of the new labor agreements. This includes an average of more than $110,000 in wages per year plus about $50,000 in medical, retirement, sickness, and other benefits.
FREIGHT RAILROAD EMPLOYEES: AMONG THE BEST PAID IN THE NATION
Employees in the rail transportation industry are among the most highly compensated in the nation. When examining all U.S. rail transportation employees, including freight railroad employees, rail employees ranked above 94 percent of the approximately 130 million employees in other reported industries in average annual compensation as of the start of the last bargaining round (BEA 2020 data). The new agreement, which provides 24 percent pay increases and maintains platinum-level health benefits, ensures rail employees will maintain their favored position in the nation’s labor market well into the future.
SUBSTANTIAL PAID TIME OFF AND ROBUST PAID SICKNESS BENEFITS
Railroad employees receive substantial paid time off each year, as well as robust paid sickness benefits for illnesses that exceed four or seven days (depending on craft). Excluding time off covered by paid sickness benefits, the average rail employee receives 25-29 days of paid time off per year, with more senior employees receiving 37-39 days of paid time off.
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Re: Rail Worker Strike [Re: Enlil]
#28213310 - 03/03/23 10:44 PM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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Enlil said: I'm all for freedom to strike and freedom to fire someone for striking.
Then we are on the same page.
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