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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28224824 - 03/11/23 08:36 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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All of this is great advice. Thank you! Buster, could you please say more about the "dollhouse approach"? What is that? I had a revelation once about a dollhouse when I was in pre-K.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28224827 - 03/11/23 08:38 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Storytellers are a rare breed but I think quite important. I smile to think of that skill when paired with compassion and wisdom.
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Buster_Brown] 2
#28224895 - 03/11/23 09:38 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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I recommend you laugh out loud and enjoy life's subtleties you might otherwise have missed. I mean, I would recommend that to myself, but from your experience only you will know what is right for you.
I can't remember who pointed this out to me:
If you consider electrical patterns from the eye of a frog show that some elements in the organ respond only when the stimulus is about the size of a fly moving in the insect’s range of speed.
Imagine if the frog was suddenly able to see things as we see them. It might be very enlightening for a frog. Imagine it becomes aware of the ecology of the swamp and the world around it. It might even become aware of land developers who might threaten the environment. All of these things it sees are real and some beautiful and some scary.
A frog in such a situation might be compelled to share its enlightenment with the other creatures of the swamp... but unfortunately it's hard to explain in frog-terms. There just aren't enough croaks to express these new ideas to the other creatures. But all that comes out is, croak croak croak. It doesn't mean any more to them than it does to you. The closest translation is, "OMG, I feel like a frog over here!". While that might have new meaning to the enlightened frog, to the other frogs and swamp creatures, it was the same thing they heard before.
And then the fact that this frog is now so enlightened it finds itself too busy trying to figure out life's meaning and can no longer catch flies. It's not that it doesn't see them, it just sees everything else too. It's overwhelming and difficult to be a frog and the important part of the swamp that it should be.
If you have become aware of other perspectives, the old one didn't lose relevance. If you're a frog, be a frog. If you're an enlightened frog, be an enlightened frog, but still a frog.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: solarshroomster]
#28225107 - 03/11/23 12:50 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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solarshroomster said: Buster, could you please say more about the "dollhouse approach"? What is that? I had a revelation once about a dollhouse when I was in pre-K.
The characters are all out to mold you into something they can use. Barbie is "never satisfied" according to the Prince song and Ken needs more elves to help keep things manageable and here you are making up stories about them and their relationships.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28225247 - 03/11/23 03:02 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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I sometimes think of stories linearly but not all are presented that way. But when they are, usually a 'seed' is planted and then the story unfolds from that seed. An astute listener will see that everything in the story was contained in that early seed.
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Kickle]
#28225275 - 03/11/23 03:15 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Yeah, we can take the seed of solarshroomster's condition and weave a tale around it. Anthropomorphically Barbie & Ken don't care to have many people peeking in to their lives, and solar shroomster is a latecomer and a spectacle to the rest of us as the tale unfolds.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28225303 - 03/11/23 03:35 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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I'm a fan of spiders, not sure why, just always been around them in positive ways. Whether that was physically, or in other ways. They work hard, giving of themselves, and then they have this incredible patience. Very admirable. It's funny but I've associated them with a mother figure in a way. Go figure.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Kickle]
#28225375 - 03/11/23 04:22 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Transhumanism - 8 appendages for getting things done, or perhaps that was a reference to Kali.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28225394 - 03/11/23 04:41 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Yes in both cases for me. And a few other pre-existing mythical associations in the mix for me, as well as just straight mythic experience of the spider.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Kickle]
#28225399 - 03/11/23 04:50 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Ah, I see you elves have an evolved perspective of the ruling body.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28225423 - 03/11/23 05:07 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Buster, I'm a bit confused. Could you please say more around this:
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"Yeah, we can take the seed of solarshroomster's condition and weave a tale around it. Anthropomorphically Barbie & Ken don't care to have many people peeking in to their lives, and solar shroomster is a latecomer and a spectacle to the rest of us as the tale unfolds."
What does this mean? Are you saying Barbie & Ken somehow mold us, and we don't mold them? I don't fully understand the analogy. I agree with what Kickle says when he talks about not all lives are told in a "linear way", and, with you, that I am a "latecomer". I am a spectacle to my own self. I'm curious how on Earth I missed something so fundamental, and, honestly, that question perplexes me even more than the contents of the mystical domain itself. How didn't I hear about this? What did I do to miss the Message? I'm 30 years old, and it was just a gigantic shock. I mean, psychedelic experiences definitely felt like they were hinting at something a little too eerily well, but I didn't expect, like... it to be really real.
I feel like a massive plot twist was introduced my life. It's very unsettling.
I really think people need to do more to spread the word in a conducive way, because I would not have been a latecomer had this been articulated more clearly. Instead of talking about the Big Bang wrongly, for starters, it could have been clarified that we have to be ultimately all interconnected... Instead of talking about multiple selves, we could have talked about the Universal Self. Instead of putting us above Nature, why wasn't more said about how we are part of Nature? Where was any of this in my education? Instead of making me think of a material world, why couldn't some of science have been illustrated to show that we live in an abstract world? And on and on. In hindsight, it's right in my face... and I missed it.
I re-read the above posts, and they're helpful. Thank you all. It's just taking awhile.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: solarshroomster] 2
#28225440 - 03/11/23 05:28 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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If we came across a door with a sign saying "Abandon all hope ye who enter here" we wouldn't open it. We had our freedom to be unassociated with immortality and it's power structures, and now the "fear of God" is real and there's no way to tell anyone without them thinking you're daft.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28225729 - 03/11/23 09:29 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Stories are pretty amazing. And our relationship to then equally so, as that is a story within a story.
I know before I said storytellers are rare. And I think they are. But not because telling stories is uncommon. Rather it's rare to realize one's engagement in storytelling.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: hogswarm]
#28225969 - 03/12/23 05:09 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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hogswarm said: I recommend you laugh out loud and enjoy life's subtleties you might otherwise have missed. I mean, I would recommend that to myself, but from your experience only you will know what is right for you.
I can't remember who pointed this out to me:
If you consider electrical patterns from the eye of a frog show that some elements in the organ respond only when the stimulus is about the size of a fly moving in the insect’s range of speed.
Imagine if the frog was suddenly able to see things as we see them. It might be very enlightening for a frog. Imagine it becomes aware of the ecology of the swamp and the world around it. It might even become aware of land developers who might threaten the environment. All of these things it sees are real and some beautiful and some scary.
A frog in such a situation might be compelled to share its enlightenment with the other creatures of the swamp... but unfortunately it's hard to explain in frog-terms. There just aren't enough croaks to express these new ideas to the other creatures. But all that comes out is, croak croak croak. It doesn't mean any more to them than it does to you. The closest translation is, "OMG, I feel like a frog over here!". While that might have new meaning to the enlightened frog, to the other frogs and swamp creatures, it was the same thing they heard before.
And then the fact that this frog is now so enlightened it finds itself too busy trying to figure out life's meaning and can no longer catch flies. It's not that it doesn't see them, it just sees everything else too. It's overwhelming and difficult to be a frog and the important part of the swamp that it should be.
If you have become aware of other perspectives, the old one didn't lose relevance. If you're a frog, be a frog. If you're an enlightened frog, be an enlightened frog, but still a frog.
The bold, is gold.
In my view, this whole post is the best in the thread as far as acceptance goes. Kudos on that explaination and advice, hogswarm.
Solar, I just can't bring myself to comprehend the urgency that you seem to be feeling around what is, ostensibly, something many experience. I worry the urgency both, stems from- and feeds into- the destabilising effect on your psyche and ability to accept & enjoy your altered outlook at this time.
Enjoy seeing the swamp for what it 'is', but still kick back and catch some flies homie.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Lithop] 1
#28226038 - 03/12/23 07:33 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Thank you, great advice. That's what I'm doing more. Every time I encounter a "hint", I just laugh. How can I not? These were signs that were always in front of me, I just never had the glasses to properly see them.
Lithop - thank you for mentioning that many people experience this. I had no idea. It helps to make me not feel so alone.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: solarshroomster] 2
#28226076 - 03/12/23 08:41 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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solarshroomster said: Thank you, great advice. That's what I'm doing more. Every time I encounter a "hint", I just laugh. How can I not? These were signs that were always in front of me, I just never had the glasses to properly see them.
Bingo, bango, bongo. A healthy approach that I'm glad to hear you're open to applying in your day to day.

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solarshroomster said: Lithop - thank you for mentioning that many people experience this. I had no idea. It helps to make me not feel so alone.
 Keep it in mind, you're only ever a few clicks away from tangible communication
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: Lithop] 1
#28226685 - 03/12/23 05:35 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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It honestly makes me feel like I'm in the Truman Show, or that I'm psychotic.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#28227434 - 03/13/23 08:16 AM (10 months, 10 days ago) |
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What an amazing image. Almost worth a thread all of its own IMO. I'd love to hear what people see in that.
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: FishOilTheKid] 3
#28227479 - 03/13/23 09:00 AM (10 months, 10 days ago) |
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It honestly makes me feel like I'm in the Truman Show, or that I'm psychotic.

This is pretty much my Vision. I wasn't going to comment on it it, but then Kickle asked for views. The only thing I don't like about it is the dark tone. I don't think it needs to be told that way. Instead of cowering, the puppet should be rejoicing. Right now, I'm cowering at the immensity of the Vision (so it's a fair image), but Fear always gives way to Awe in the face of the Numinous, as I've discovered it. It's like encountering the unknown Divine... you get a nostalgic feeling of a "familiar yet unknown" feeling that creates an uncanny valley. This is where I was at when I wrote my post (frankly, I still swing back to the state of confusion and fear). But then, again, it transforms into Love and Joy..!!
That there's an image for this tells of a timeless myth... and, yet, another sign that other people have "seen".
So... great image!
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: I'm frustrated and feel misled into thinking the spiritual world was BS [Re: solarshroomster] 3
#28227514 - 03/13/23 09:24 AM (10 months, 10 days ago) |
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Thanks for sharing. Every time I look at it I see something a bit different 
The Dalai Lama once said in any situation you should work to take at least 7 different perspectives on it. This way you won't get too concerned with any particular one, or be as 1 dimensional.
A lot of the time I can get 3 or 4 perspectives pretty well on my own, but for more I definitely need the help of others
Thanks for being that this morning
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