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Do Republicans trip?
    #28207694 - 02/28/23 05:46 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Most of the people I know who indulge in magic mushrooms are basically of the hippie persuasion. Conservatives don't trip. Or so it would seem.

I have a friend who is a staunch conservative, but more moderate than most. She is curious, but I'm concerned about what might happen if she takes a dose that is too large.

Does anyone have experience with people who voted for Trump tripping?

I'm serious. If anyone would benefit from psychedelics, it's those folks. They need a shaking of the snow globe, something that will open their minds. I'm open to all suggestions. Thanks.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #28207720 - 02/28/23 06:27 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

When I was a kid I'd drop acid with my right wing friends and have a blast shooting old cars and stuff (I do not endorse doing this btw) and we never gave a shit about politics. I don't like tripping much anymore and definitely not around a lot of people because there's always someone who wilds out from the fear and goes on some stupid fucking right wing conspiracy rant. They do trip. I'm not going to generalize and say you shouldn't trip with them. But stay away from tripping with conspiracy nutters, it'll fuck up your trip.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 3
    #28207736 - 02/28/23 06:51 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

more conservatives enjoy tripping than i ever thought possible. the left doesnt have the psychedelic monopoly anymore.

something about the claim to be only using resources near your/being self sufficient ect.. really hits a control/comfort check box for them:shrug:

spend time on shroomery and youll see what i mean. some of the most brilliant minds ive encountered here have been by my definition, politically insane .but hey.. opinions ya kno?


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: mushboy] * 4
    #28207770 - 02/28/23 07:36 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

It's because they are pissed from being closeted  because shrooms turn you gay.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: mushboy]
    #28207775 - 02/28/23 07:40 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Joe Rogan comes to mind. One may be tempted to think that a psychedelic experience would shake rigid ways of thinking but I think they can also reaffirm beliefs in conspiracies. My opinion as well.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: mushboy]
    #28208071 - 02/28/23 11:55 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

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more conservatives enjoy tripping than i ever thought possible. the left doesnt have the psychedelic monopoly anymore.

something about the claim to be only using resources near your/being self sufficient ect.. really hits a control/comfort check box for them:shrug:

spend time on shroomery and youll see what i mean. some of the most brilliant minds ive encountered here have been by my definition, politically insane .but hey.. opinions ya kno?



Agree one hundred percent on all of that. I still have friends who are right wing nuts and I love them to death but just can't get down with their bullshit.

And just to make it equal I used to hang with this dude from Cuba who was literally a communist (not the loose definition the right like to apply), he was a pseudo spiritual type and total alpha male guy and he would big the fuck out and start knocking waters out of people's hands because of fluoride. I can stand to be around more of my conservative friends than that guy especially when tripping, any day.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 4
    #28208099 - 02/28/23 12:18 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Of course Republicans trip.

Watching Fox News and the mind-altering mental gymnastics required to believe any of it is essentially tripping.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don] * 1
    #28208105 - 02/28/23 12:25 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Only person I have ever used with leans towards being a republican.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Randar] * 1
    #28208524 - 02/28/23 06:47 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

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Of course Republicans trip.

Watching Fox News and the mind-altering mental gymnastics required to believe any of it is essentially tripping.




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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: VP123]
    #28209088 - 03/01/23 07:10 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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Joe Rogan comes to mind. One may be tempted to think that a psychedelic experience would shake rigid ways of thinking but I think they can also reaffirm beliefs in conspiracies. My opinion as well.




Two kinds of Republicans/conservatives--libertarians and social conservatives. Country club Republicans have become so small a cohort as to not count anymore. Joe Rogan is more of a libertarian, therefore, more likely to be open to psychedelic experiences. The social/evangelical/culture conservatives are the ones I'm curious about. Would psychedelics change their minds? At least open them a little?

I'm not even sure they could be tempted to try.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Randar]
    #28209089 - 03/01/23 07:12 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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Of course Republicans trip.

Watching Fox News and the mind-altering mental gymnastics required to believe any of it is essentially tripping.




To quote an old tagline: "The mind is a terrible thing to waste." Unfortunately, that is true of all aspects of Fox News.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #28209096 - 03/01/23 07:28 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

Libertarians don't actually exist in the real world, they only exist online and in theory.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28210349 - 03/01/23 09:56 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

I know a libertarian who was appointed by trump to be a deputy secretary of a scandal ridden agency. He resigned under scandal, moved out west and now spends his time going to music festivals and doing massive amounts of psychedelics


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #28210425 - 03/01/23 11:16 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

It's probably 50/50, just as many republicans and conservatives trip as democrats and liberals. It is a universal constant that people like drugs.

Back in the 60s, the acid test stopped in a couple of very conservative places, and they were absolutely flooded with people.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28210561 - 03/02/23 05:23 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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Libertarians don't actually exist in the real world, they only exist online and in theory.




You have never lived in the Western US, where you'd be surrounded by libertarians.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: koods]
    #28210562 - 03/02/23 05:25 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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I know a libertarian who was appointed by trump to be a deputy secretary of a scandal ridden agency. He resigned under scandal, moved out west and now spends his time going to music festivals and doing massive amounts of psychedelics




Rick Perry, former governor of Texas and former Energy Secretary has invested in, or is interested in mushrooms. Not the sharpest tool, but a bit of a surprise. Libertarians are at least not likely to raise a ruckus from people doing their own thing, unlike the culture warriors who are worried about people having open minds, which would clearly be a danger to their beliefs.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: nooneman]
    #28210565 - 03/02/23 05:31 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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It's probably 50/50, just as many republicans and conservatives trip as democrats and liberals. It is a universal constant that people like drugs.

Back in the 60s, the acid test stopped in a couple of very conservative places, and they were absolutely flooded with people.




50/50? I'm shocked that you suggest that. The majority of conservatives, evangelicals, do not drink alcohol. If you have watched videos online of psychedelic rituals, therapy or events, there are no indications that they are catering to anything but us old hippies. I'm all for hippie shit, but this will not ever reach even a handful of Church Ladies.

As for the acid trip being flooded with people, the county where I live is only one-third registered Democrats, but that would be enough for flood a bus. With only Democrats.

Gotta call BS on this one, man.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #28210653 - 03/02/23 07:08 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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Libertarians don't actually exist in the real world, they only exist online and in theory.




You have never lived in the Western US, where you'd be surrounded by libertarians.




Oh, there's plenty of people that claim to be libertarian, but repeated polling of the population has shown that the socially liberal economically right wing quadrant of the political compass is notably empty when you plot libertarians on the chart. Because libertarians in the US are just Republicans that like to smoke weed, and they are all socially authoritarian.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28210865 - 03/02/23 10:49 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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It's because they are pissed from being closeted  because shrooms turn you gay.




Shrooms only make you gay for 48 hours... Come on dude... quit fearmongering.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #28211567 - 03/02/23 07:29 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

This post is weird to me.
I dont like or dislike republicans.
If they tripped that makes them acceptable to you? If they dont it is a reason to dislike?
People are entitled to their own opinons.
It would be beneficial if we got back to that point.
I hate that politics are dividing people.
Have I been offended by some things? Yes, but then I check myself. It is not a personal attack on me.
It is and it isnt.
To dislike an entire party or dislike people without knowing them.
I dont want to be that way.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don] * 1
    #28211682 - 03/02/23 08:41 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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It's probably 50/50, just as many republicans and conservatives trip as democrats and liberals. It is a universal constant that people like drugs.

Back in the 60s, the acid test stopped in a couple of very conservative places, and they were absolutely flooded with people.




50/50? I'm shocked that you suggest that. The majority of conservatives, evangelicals, do not drink alcohol. If you have watched videos online of psychedelic rituals, therapy or events, there are no indications that they are catering to anything but us old hippies. I'm all for hippie shit, but this will not ever reach even a handful of Church Ladies.

As for the acid trip being flooded with people, the county where I live is only one-third registered Democrats, but that would be enough for flood a bus. With only Democrats.

Gotta call BS on this one, man.



Clearly haven't been around here for very long. We've got tons of conservatives on the boards, and used to have a fuckton more.

I dunno where you get the idea that a majority of conservatives don't use drugs, I assure you that just as many conservatives use drugs as liberals. Liking drugs is human nature, it doesn't discriminate based on political persuasion. You know how much meth and opiate use there is in deep red America?

I'm also not sure you have an accurate picture of what the average conservative is like. They're not all old church ladies or something.

And yes, the acid tests had tons of conservatives attending, that is a fact of history that you can read more about if you want.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: loladoreen]
    #28211686 - 03/02/23 08:44 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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This post is weird to me.
I dont like or dislike republicans.
If they tripped that makes them acceptable to you? If they dont it is a reason to dislike?
People are entitled to their own opinons.
It would be beneficial if we got back to that point.
I hate that politics are dividing people.
Have I been offended by some things? Yes, but then I check myself. It is not a personal attack on me.
It is and it isnt.
To dislike an entire party or dislike people without knowing them.
I dont want to be that way.




I like it. Don't be that way.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28211693 - 03/02/23 08:48 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

It's also worth mentioning that psychedelics tend to reinforce preexisting beliefs, making both conservatives and liberals more confident in their political beliefs, as a general rule. They certainly don't tend to switch anyone from one side to the other.

My experience has generally been that people tend to come out more extreme than they go in, whatever their beliefs. Not always that way, but I can't count the number of times someone went in with an attitude like "maybe things are this way, that's possible" and came out "THINGS ARE ABSOLUTELY THAT WAY"


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: nooneman]
    #28211697 - 03/02/23 08:53 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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It's also worth mentioning that psychedelics tend to reinforce preexisting beliefs, making both conservatives and liberals more confident in their political beliefs, as a general rule. They certainly don't tend to switch anyone from one side to the other.

My experience has generally been that people tend to come out more extreme than they go in, whatever their beliefs. Not always that way, but I can't count the number of times someone went in with an attitude like "maybe things are this way, that's possible" and came out "THINGS ARE ABSOLUTELY THAT WAY"




You think so? Maybe it depends on the type of person you are. I feel like strong trips always make me challenge my own beliefs, but I'm the kind of person who will quickly abandon a belief if I feel it has been proven wrong. I like to believe that anyway.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28212054 - 03/03/23 06:31 AM (10 months, 20 days ago)

I have been observing Republicans and conservatives--not necessarily the same thing--for decades. They fascinate me because they do not think the same way I think. Not that they have different opinions from my own, my own friends who are liberals have different opinions from me. That doesn't bother me in the slightest. Conservatives' opinions don't bother me, either. They are entitled to their opinions and entitled to expressing them. It is not a question of opinion. My interest is in how they arrive at that opinion.

Conservatives do not form at their opinions in the same way liberals do. Conservatives seem to base their opinions more on emotion than logic. If facts contradict their opinions, they seem to always choose their opinions. Cognitive dissonance is deadly to everyone but appears to be more so for conservatives.

Conservatives almost by definition are more close-minded than liberals, or they would be liberals. My interest in this thread has been to wonder if taking psychedelics might open their minds, change their minds, alter their thinking. Would they even still be conservatives? And how would their minds work during and after tripping?

I know that conservatives' minds do not work the same way liberals' minds work. My interest is what effects psychedelics might have on them, since we know what effects they have on liberals, since it is mostly liberals who try them.

Does this help clear up the "weird post"?


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don] * 1
    #28212064 - 03/03/23 06:46 AM (10 months, 20 days ago)

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My interest in this thread has been to wonder if taking psychedelics might open their minds...





no because like me, most liberals i know take/took psychedelics to open their minds. they/we were trying to tear down barriers. trying to reprogram. trying to break free.

you dont see too many conservatives trying to 'break free' from group mentalities. it seems more about perfecting the cookie cutter imagine of what society tries to tell us we are. hence all the gender role/culture war bullshit coming from the right.

give a liberal acid they turn into greta thunberg. give a conservative acid they turn into joe rogan.

psyches are not a political/social cure all but man i wish they were:lol:


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28212130 - 03/03/23 07:45 AM (10 months, 20 days ago)

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My interest in this thread has been to wonder if taking psychedelics might open their minds...





no because like me, most liberals i know take/took psychedelics to open their minds. they/we were trying to tear down barriers. trying to reprogram. trying to break free.

you dont see too many conservatives trying to 'break free' from group mentalities. it seems more about perfecting the cookie cutter imagine of what society tries to tell us we are. hence all the gender role/culture war bullshit coming from the right.

give a liberal acid they turn into greta thunberg. give a conservative acid they turn into joe rogan.

psyches are not a political/social cure all but man i wish they were:lol:




Joe Rogan...?

Joe Rogan isn't a conservative. If anything he's an independent. I don't know why Joe Rogan gets so much hate, honestly. I like him, and I think his genuineness is why he's so popular, which sits at odds with the whole "cookie cutter image of what society tries to tell us we are". I feel like liberals try to fit into at LEAST as many cookie cutter boxes, and have to engage in at LEAST as many acts of mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance to be considered "liberals".

It wasn't always this way, but it is ever more.

I read this book called "Human Nature", by Robert Greene. He's the author of the 48 laws of power, and the art of seduction, etc... I enjoyed the book. Anyway, in the book he talks about group mentalities, and one of the things he said was that if you line up with every position of some political faction, or ideology, your thoughts are not your own (This seems obvious, but it's not, for everyone)... Humans are social creatures, who are easily swept up by group think. We are very tribal in our nature, and love nothing more than to be part of a group. To have a group identity.

If you're a blue-dog Democrat, you're not a free thinker, just as if you're a Republican.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28212145 - 03/03/23 07:54 AM (10 months, 20 days ago)

the way you hang off and defend joes position in society is weird to me.

do you man.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #28212265 - 03/03/23 09:52 AM (10 months, 20 days ago)

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I have been observing Republicans and conservatives--not necessarily the same thing--for decades. They fascinate me because they do not think the same way I think. Not that they have different opinions from my own, my own friends who are liberals have different opinions from me. That doesn't bother me in the slightest. Conservatives' opinions don't bother me, either. They are entitled to their opinions and entitled to expressing them. It is not a question of opinion. My interest is in how they arrive at that opinion.

Conservatives do not form at their opinions in the same way liberals do. Conservatives seem to base their opinions more on emotion than logic. If facts contradict their opinions, they seem to always choose their opinions. Cognitive dissonance is deadly to everyone but appears to be more so for conservatives.

Conservatives almost by definition are more close-minded than liberals, or they would be liberals. My interest in this thread has been to wonder if taking psychedelics might open their minds, change their minds, alter their thinking. Would they even still be conservatives? And how would their minds work during and after tripping?

I know that conservatives' minds do not work the same way liberals' minds work. My interest is what effects psychedelics might have on them, since we know what effects they have on liberals, since it is mostly liberals who try them.

Does this help clear up the "weird post"?




Agree with the fundamentally different ways of thinking, as well as value systems. Actual psychological research backs this up too. Of course, psychological research shows that the biggest factor in conservative/liberal beliefs is fear. Conservatives tend to have physically larger amygdala on their brains, so when conservatives feel fear, it is literally a more powerful emotion than when liberals feel fear.

I fundamentally disagree with the idea that psychedelics open your mind. They change your mind, sure, but I don't see that any differently than the mental changes brought on by meth or heroin. Sure, it's a different effect, but I don't see anything fundamentally different, or transcendental, or spiritual when it comes to psychedelics. I eat mushrooms, I trip balls. I smoke meth, I become 110% man. There's nothing particularly special about psychedelics, apart from my anecdotal experience of them being more...user friendly.

It is a lot harder to use meth constructively, but it can be done. Heck, I'd actually put myself up as a model of constructive meth use...I only use it with a game plan, when I know I need to operate at above my normal abilities for an extended period of time without burning out. Similarly, I am blanking on the name, but there was a famous mathematician who used meth to do math.

Constructive use of psychedelics is easier because they don't have the inherent euphoria/addiction potential combo that makes using something like meth constructively very difficult.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don] * 1
    #28212629 - 03/03/23 03:00 PM (10 months, 20 days ago)

I don't watch or listen to Joe Rogan. I only catch his tik tok's. I have never listened or watched something that I found offensive.
Like I said I dont follow him.
What is the negativity surrounding him?


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    #28212654 - 03/03/23 03:25 PM (10 months, 20 days ago)

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I don't watch or listen to Joe Rogan. I only catch his tik tok's. I have never listened or watched something that I found offensive.
Like I said I dont follow him.
What is the negativity surrounding him?




From what I gather, people call him a right winger, because he hunts, and is involved in UFC, martial arts... I guess?

Honestly, Joe has become a bit detached from normal people, nowadays, because he is quite wealthy and famous... But in the past couple decades he's built an empire as "America's bro", as they say, by just talking to
people and having conversations with people he finds interesting. I used to regularly watch his podcasts, while I was working.. He often has interesting guests on.

I've always liked Joe, and I don't think that is likely to change. He just seems like a good hearted dude... He isn't arrogant, but he's confident in himself, and aware of his own strengths and weaknesses. He talks to a very wide variety of people on his show. He's a comedian, and he has a pretty clean act, but still is quite funny.

Honestly, I think people are jealous that he just gets to be himself, and is almost universally liked by most people, and gets paid exorbitant amounts of money to be himself, basically.


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    #28212657 - 03/03/23 03:30 PM (10 months, 20 days ago)

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the way you hang off and defend joes position in society is weird to me.

do you man.




I don't know what you mean by "hang off"...

I didn't defend his "position in society" at all... So that's kind of... a weird thing to say. I do like that Joe has the position he has in society, because he occasionally brings peoples attention to issues, or political candidates that won't get any coverage via the news media, and I think he treats all of his guests quite fairly, which is something the news media doesn't do.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #28212687 - 03/03/23 03:50 PM (10 months, 20 days ago)

I am vegan and could care less if someone hunts.
Do you
and I will do me
I have never been offended by him. I actually have enjoyed everything I Have seen. I have not seen a lot also.
I think everyone has certain things or triggers, that bother them
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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: loladoreen] * 2
    #28212974 - 03/03/23 06:35 PM (10 months, 20 days ago)

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Conservatives almost by definition are more close-minded than liberals, or they would be liberals. My interest in this thread has been to wonder if taking psychedelics might open their minds, change their minds, alter their thinking. Would they even still be conservatives? And how would their minds work during and after tripping?




I’ve seen heavy psychedelic use lead people down some pretty dark politically based conspiracy rabbit holes that seem almost impossible to unwind. I think it’s important to understand that psychedelics are not a gateway supernatural experiences. Indulging that kind of thinking can fuck people up pretty badly, and cause them to reject reality in a dangerous way


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don] * 1
    #28213091 - 03/03/23 08:09 PM (10 months, 20 days ago)

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It's also worth mentioning that psychedelics tend to reinforce preexisting beliefs, making both conservatives and liberals more confident in their political beliefs, as a general rule. They certainly don't tend to switch anyone from one side to the other.

My experience has generally been that people tend to come out more extreme than they go in, whatever their beliefs. Not always that way, but I can't count the number of times someone went in with an attitude like "maybe things are this way, that's possible" and came out "THINGS ARE ABSOLUTELY THAT WAY"




You think so? Maybe it depends on the type of person you are. I feel like strong trips always make me challenge my own beliefs, but I'm the kind of person who will quickly abandon a belief if I feel it has been proven wrong. I like to believe that anyway.



I actually feel the same as you on a personal subjective level thinking about my own experiences, but on the other hand I've seen so many people develop such extreme attitudes after psychedelics that I'm not confident that my personal feelings about it are an accurate reflection of its objective effects, if that makes any sense. Something can subjectively feel challenging, but perhaps lead to objective strengthen of preexisting belief.

There's some reason to believe it might lead to strengthening preexisting belief too, if it does work as a psychological amplifier, or if it enhances the placebo effect, or makes people more open to suggestion, I can see all of those potentially leading to enhancement of preexisting belief.

Even in my own experience, as much as my views have occasionally been challenged, I do remember a number of times where I came out temporarily much more extreme than I went in.


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Conservatives do not form at their opinions in the same way liberals do. Conservatives seem to base their opinions more on emotion than logic. If facts contradict their opinions, they seem to always choose their opinions. Cognitive dissonance is deadly to everyone but appears to be more so for conservatives.

Conservatives almost by definition are more close-minded than liberals, or they would be liberals.

I know that conservatives' minds do not work the same way liberals' minds work.



I don't think this is an accurate view of conservatives. It's a common view among people on the left, but I don't think it's accurate. I think it's easy to assume that the other political side thinks differently and is less logical and more close minded. I see conservatives say the same kind of stuff about liberals. I think it's maybe an easy way to think about the other side, but actually I bet that the thinking on both sides is surprisingly similar. That's one of the things that makes politics so complex and difficult, actually, is how similar both sides are cognitively.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: nooneman]
    #28213579 - 03/04/23 06:24 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

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I don't think this is an accurate view of conservatives. It's a common view among people on the left, but I don't think it's accurate. I think it's easy to assume that the other political side thinks differently and is less logical and more close minded. I see conservatives say the same kind of stuff about liberals. I think it's maybe an easy way to think about the other side, but actually I bet that the thinking on both sides is surprisingly similar. That's one of the things that makes politics so complex and difficult, actually, is how similar both sides are cognitively.




I welcome your conclusions, although I disagree. I do not believe both sides think alike, anymore than opposite sides of a coin are similar because they are on a coin. Yes, conservatives believe liberals are emotional and illogical, and to some degree they would be right, but not to the extreme that conservatives have found themselves. Conservatives are reactionary, by nature (imho), and by definition.

Two areas where conservatives are different:

Curiosity and Empathy

My curiosity is about how psychedelics might affect both of these. We know that psychedelics have an effect on empathy, but I know of no data on how they affect curiosity. Without curiosity, there is no growth. This is why I think they might be better for conservatives than liberals.


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    #28213645 - 03/04/23 07:43 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

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Conservatives almost by definition are more close-minded than liberals, or they would be liberals. My interest in this thread has been to wonder if taking psychedelics might open their minds, change their minds, alter their thinking. Would they even still be conservatives? And how would their minds work during and after tripping?




I’ve seen heavy psychedelic use lead people down some pretty dark politically based conspiracy rabbit holes that seem almost impossible to unwind. I think it’s important to understand that psychedelics are not a gateway supernatural experiences. Indulging that kind of thinking can fuck people up pretty badly, and cause them to reject reality in a dangerous way




This is a good point. I remember a kid I went to highschool with who tripped too much and became obsessed with some kind of weird Tool (The band) cult.. He thought he had some kind of supernatural powers, and one time he told a female police officer that he was going to suspend her body in hell, where demons would rape her for all of eternity...

I've often wondered how he's doing nowadays... Which institution he calls home, a prison, or a mental ward...


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    #28213656 - 03/04/23 07:48 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

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I don't think this is an accurate view of conservatives. It's a common view among people on the left, but I don't think it's accurate. I think it's easy to assume that the other political side thinks differently and is less logical and more close minded. I see conservatives say the same kind of stuff about liberals. I think it's maybe an easy way to think about the other side, but actually I bet that the thinking on both sides is surprisingly similar. That's one of the things that makes politics so complex and difficult, actually, is how similar both sides are cognitively.




I welcome your conclusions, although I disagree. I do not believe both sides think alike, anymore than opposite sides of a coin are similar because they are on a coin. Yes, conservatives believe liberals are emotional and illogical, and to some degree they would be right, but not to the extreme that conservatives have found themselves. Conservatives are reactionary, by nature (imho), and by definition.

Two areas where conservatives are different:

Curiosity and Empathy

My curiosity is about how psychedelics might affect both of these. We know that psychedelics have an effect on empathy, but I know of no data on how they affect curiosity. Without curiosity, there is no growth. This is why I think they might be better for conservatives than liberals.




Here is your disconnect...

"Liberals" and "Conservatives" are all people, and we all fall somewhere on a spectrum. Our brains do function in relatively the exact same ways, fundamentally... There are just different cultural influences. It seems to me that you are saying that conservatives have fundamentally different intellectual faculties, and they do not.

It sort of seems like your are very mildly going down the road of dehumanizing the "other", which is quite dangerous.

Hallucinogens have the same objective effects on the brain for liberals, and conservatives.


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    #28213672 - 03/04/23 07:57 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

Oh my God, when ten thousand days came out there were so many townies on that culty bandwagon. The idea started out as a joke by Maynard, to make fun of scientology I believe, and not all his fans knew it was a joke.

One of my best friends who passed fairly recently was one of those people who thought he had crazy powers. He has signs of schizophrenia and all kinds of trauma in his past. He had some of the best connections in town and at lot of drugs. I remember when he went on a several month coke and dmt bender.

He spent most of his time sitting in the rain or trasjing this big rv he had on the property acting like he was doing daoist magic, writing glyphs on everything. It was some of the craziest shit I'd seen and it ended with his door getting kicked in by some armed police and held at gunpoint because someone thought he was dangerous.

Dude ate his own feces in one bender, supposedly to prove something to himself. He had a "daoist priest" (biggest charlatan I've met personally, who was using my buddy for shelter and feeding his ego to keep him confused) living with him reaffirming his misled spiritual beliefs. And sooooo many people in town (Woodstock NY) stoked this idea that he was some sort of spiritual anomaly.

He died of a heroin overdose about two years ago now. He thought he could transmute poison in his body into good compounds.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28213731 - 03/04/23 08:37 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

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Oh my God, when ten thousand days came out there were so many townies on that culty bandwagon. The idea started out as a joke by Maynard, to make fun of scientology I believe, and not all his fans knew it was a joke.

One of my best friends who passed fairly recently was one of those people who thought he had crazy powers. He has signs of schizophrenia and all kinds of trauma in his past. He had some of the best connections in town and at lot of drugs. I remember when he went on a several month coke and dmt bender.




Ten Thousand Days... I guess I have to watch that now. I loved tool, when I was younger. Their new stuff is... not as good.. of course.. They came out with an album a couple years ago, after like 15-20 years of nothing afaik.

I never knew where all of his weird shit came from, but he was one of those guys that could get people onboard with his bullshit, because he had that sort of personality. Maybe it was his conviction. The kind of guy that starts religious cults...

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He spent most of his time sitting in the rain or trasjing this big rv he had on the property acting like he was doing daoist magic, writing glyphs on everything. It was some of the craziest shit I'd seen and it ended with his door getting kicked in by some armed police and held at gunpoint because someone thought he was dangerous.

Dude ate his own feces in one bender, supposedly to prove something to himself. He had a "daoist priest" (biggest charlatan I've met personally, who was using my buddy for shelter and feeding his ego to keep him confused) living with him reaffirming his misled spiritual beliefs. And sooooo many people in town (Woodstock NY) stoked this idea that he was some sort of spiritual anomaly.

He died of a heroin overdose about two years ago now. He thought he could transmute poison in his body into good compounds.




That's quite a story, and sad too. That's pretty much how I imagine it went with my childhood friend.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28213759 - 03/04/23 08:51 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

Ten thousand days was the album they came out with that had the 3d goggles built into the case to look at the art. I was in high school when it came out and it was the summer I started tripping everyone was obsessed with it.

I heard that album too. They've gotten. To the point where all their music just sounds the same to me.

He was an artist who had alot of potential and sadly most of the people around him thought there was nothing wrong with him. But I've noticed some people hear that psychedelics have therapeutic uses and they think it's a green light to just spiral out. Never thinking if they might have some underlying shit that it could exacerbate


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28213769 - 03/04/23 08:58 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

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Ten thousand days was the album they came out with that had the 3d goggles built into the case to look at the art. I was in high school when it came out and it was the summer I started tripping everyone was obsessed with it.

I heard that album too. They've gotten. To the point where all their music just sounds the same to me.

He was an artist who had alot of potential and sadly most of the people around him thought there was nothing wrong with him. But I've noticed some people hear that psychedelics have therapeutic uses and they think it's a green light to just spiral out. Never thinking if they might have some underlying shit that it could exacerbate




You're right. That's why hallucinogens need to be respected. I've always believed that if you're not right with yourself, your life, etc... You're going to have a rough time with hallucinogens. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes they can bring issues to the forefront that you are not aware of, and possibly help you address them.

I believe in low doses. Most people start off with 8ths, when they should be doing grams..

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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28213954 - 03/04/23 10:57 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

Psychedelics, like weed, are having a "these can do no wrong" backlash after years of demonization.

Which is a bit obnoxious, I think.


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    #28213967 - 03/04/23 11:06 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

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Psychedelics, like weed, are having a "these can do no wrong" backlash after years of demonization.

Which is a bit obnoxious, I think.




I suppose you're right. Isn't that how everything works? In extremes? If you don't like a certain type of Capitalism, so Communism must be the answer! (For instance)

In a healthy society, things swing from one extreme to another, and eventually settle in a more adequate middle ground, before the extremes are eventually revisited... And on and so forth. I suppose it is our nature. We don't do well with moderation, and in many situations small tweaks are all that is necessary to produce drastic changes and significantly alter outcomes.

The cultural shift regarding marijuana is quite impressive. Something I never thought I would see in my lifetime, when I was younger. I couldn't even imagine it.


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    #28214020 - 03/04/23 11:42 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

I actually think very few things swing from extreme to extreme.

Those are the things that are in the news. And they are swung for a reason. Recently just had a conversation about Roald Dahl with someone...and it's absolutely a new coke/coke classic marketing scheme. Some of the edits ('man-eating giant' becoming 'human-eating giant') seem almost like a right wing satire. And of course, they're releasing a box set of the original unedited volumes.

On the other hand, Orwell's "Down and out in Paris and London" has been rereleased by several christian publishing houses after the copyright expired, removing the majority of sexual references and depictions of non-heterosexual sexuality. Nobody cares, because there's no money in making people care.

Well, apart from the irony of censoring Orwell. That shit is thick.

Anyway, my point is that most things progress very gradually in one direction, good or bad. A few things become a media circus, and those swing back and forth, but often for ulterior motives.

This does also have political implications. For example, Biden has, slowly and steadily, accomplished quite a bit. Maybe more than Obama. And people think he's retarded. Trump did jack shit, but made enough noise that people thought he did things.


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    #28214146 - 03/04/23 01:14 PM (10 months, 19 days ago)

I don't mean that the actual laws, or structure of government change dramatically. I mean that people have a tendency toward extremism and immoderation.

For instance, with marijuana... It's either the miracle cure for everything, or it's the devil's weed.


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    #28214208 - 03/04/23 01:52 PM (10 months, 19 days ago)

Only with two qualifiers: (a) individuals, and (b) on stuff they are passionate about. I'd say that 95% of the populations doesn't particularly care either way about any particular subject.


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Only with two qualifiers: (a) individuals, and (b) on stuff they are passionate about. I'd say that 95% of the populations doesn't particularly care either way about any particular subject.




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    #28220455 - 03/08/23 09:55 AM (10 months, 15 days ago)

of course.  I get your bias, as I had the same as well to a smaller extent.  My group of friends is largely extremely right wing, and after talking about mush with them I was pretty suprised at the amount of folk wanting to try them.  Not microdose, but trip balls. 

I'm talking about people who never even tried pot.  Really didn't expect a few of them, and i've known them my entire life.


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of course.  I get your bias, as I had the same as well to a smaller extent.  My group of friends is largely extremely right wing, and after talking about mush with them I was pretty suprised at the amount of folk wanting to try them.  Not microdose, but trip balls. 

I'm talking about people who never even tried pot.  Really didn't expect a few of them, and i've known them my entire life.




Shrooms are making a comeback in the world, that's for sure. I need to start growing them again... Even health nuts are starting to microdose them daily. There's a lot of money to be made! lol


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    #28226051 - 03/12/23 08:10 AM (10 months, 11 days ago)

My wife got pretty into trying shrooms. She's extremely left politically, but she remained extremely drug averse right up until her doctor instructed her to get a medical marijuana card. After about of year of using pot to successfully treat various issues she became rather liberated as far as drug use. She's not much of a user, but she's way more open to drug use that isn't a traditional pharmaceutical. She hasn't done mushrooms yet, but she has asked me to grow her some. I have everything setup to start growing again, I cleaned all my stuff and bought some new supplies, I just haven't had the time to get some agar plates rolling.


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My wife got pretty into trying shrooms. She's extremely left politically, but she remained extremely drug averse right up until her doctor instructed her to get a medical marijuana card. After about of year of using pot to successfully treat various issues she became rather liberated as far as drug use. She's not much of a user, but she's way more open to drug use that isn't a traditional pharmaceutical. She hasn't done mushrooms yet, but she has asked me to grow her some. I have everything setup to start growing again, I cleaned all my stuff and bought some new supplies, I just haven't had the time to get some agar plates rolling.




Ok... Well, if your grow doesn't work out

:pm: ... for.. pointers..... ;-)

I'm glad your wife found her way into the fold! Just keep her clear of some of the more dubious natural alternatives, of course. They may be my DOC's, but cocaine and heroin are not for the faint of heart, body, mind, and soul. In fact, they require and endless supply of all of the above! Kratom is pretty nice, though.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28227458 - 03/13/23 08:36 AM (10 months, 10 days ago)

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of course.  I get your bias, as I had the same as well to a smaller extent.  My group of friends is largely extremely right wing, and after talking about mush with them I was pretty suprised at the amount of folk wanting to try them.  Not microdose, but trip balls. 

I'm talking about people who never even tried pot.  Really didn't expect a few of them, and i've known them my entire life.




Shrooms are making a comeback in the world, that's for sure. I need to start growing them again... Even health nuts are starting to microdose them daily. There's a lot of money to be made! lol




no doubt, lol a ton.

It's funny, and likely cause im family having age, but I know far more people interested in the health benefits, several, and 2 who do it to for fun.  several on the "health benefits" isle aslo wanna try a fun amount, but more just for health.

many of these people, may have tried weed drunk or something in college, but are more of the just never did drugs type.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Renoraines]
    #28227822 - 03/13/23 01:25 PM (10 months, 10 days ago)

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no doubt, lol a ton.

It's funny, and likely cause im family having age, but I know far more people interested in the health benefits, several, and 2 who do it to for fun.  several on the "health benefits" isle aslo wanna try a fun amount, but more just for health.

many of these people, may have tried weed drunk or something in college, but are more of the just never did drugs type.




Yeah, I'm lovin it! I just got out of jail, but while I was in there, I made a mushroom mural on the wall that was quite beautiful. The whole pod kept stopping by my cell to look at it, and several CO's even commented that they loved it. Usually they make you take that kind of shit down. I even labeled it "psilocybe cubensis" lmao!


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #28235797 - 03/18/23 09:35 PM (10 months, 5 days ago)

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Conservatives do not form at their opinions in the same way liberals do. Conservatives seem to base their opinions more on emotion than logic. If facts contradict their opinions, they seem to always choose their opinions. Cognitive dissonance is deadly to everyone but appears to be more so for conservatives.

Conservatives almost by definition are more close-minded than liberals, or they would be liberals.




OMG - Thank you!  That was the best laugh I’ve had today!  Awesome.

The reality is that you and almost everyone I encounter is talking point deep.  You and those like you have absolutely no idea what is a fact and what is an opinion - as you are far too mentally lazy to do the work it takes to actually think critically.  You all dutifully follow the wind that you choose to align to.  Source content is far too cumbersome, unwieldy, intricate, complicated and often times down right near impossible to discover, properly vet and relatively validate.

The older I get, I increasingly suggest there is always - ALWAYS - competing threads of information that are quite often, just as compelling.

Identity politics (that is what your post is btw) is destroying society.  So is social media and the diarrhea that “newsrooms” have become.


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Re: Do Republicans trip? [Re: Bobgas]
    #28235833 - 03/18/23 10:13 PM (10 months, 4 days ago)

OMG, thank you! That's the best laugh I've had today! Awesome.

The reality is, you are engaging in what you condemn without the benefit of reasoning, and so....lol! You're destroying society!


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