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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28202092 - 02/24/23 08:22 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Ten seconds is a very long time in a gunfight, especially when a number of shootings have recently been stopped by some extremely flamboyant men stomping on shooters with their heels.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28202095 - 02/24/23 08:23 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

That's at the long end. Practice can easily get that cut in half. Add your average response time from local police and one could easily pop off 100 rounds. Additionally mass shootings are not typically gun fights...and handguns are used more than anytype of firearm to commit the above.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28202099 - 02/24/23 08:28 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Given a choice between one five second break between bursts of gunfire and three five second breaks, I pick three.

And you're right, a mass shooting is not analogous to a gunfight. Most gunfights happen at long enough range that five seconds isn't enough time to charge the shooter and start a melee. In mass shootings, this appears a viable option on occasion.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28202106 - 02/24/23 08:30 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

The M16A1 was fully automatic, it was changed to the M16A2 which is a three round burst....meaning an ammo dump is not effective. Well placed shots are more effective than spray and pray.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28202116 - 02/24/23 08:37 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Well, I can only remember one mass shooter that was also trained infantry, and that was the cop killer in...Detroit or something?

Just like bombs, the kind of people that know how to do it right are generally not the kind of people doing the random shootings.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28205721 - 02/26/23 03:47 PM (10 months, 25 days ago)

In a situation where there is only one person armed with a firearm, it's pretty easy to manage your reloads, though.  Plus, a simple secondary firearm can make rushing a gunman suicide.

Sure, rushing a gunman is effective, but you need enough people willing to take the chance of being one of the killed instead of one of the heros.  Clip size changes the situation, but only as a matter of proportion.  Either way, it's fucked for anyone trying to rush the gunman.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Enlil]
    #28205746 - 02/26/23 04:06 PM (10 months, 25 days ago)

More reloads means more breaks to run away as well, and that happening is almost a statistical certainty.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28206087 - 02/26/23 08:49 PM (10 months, 25 days ago)

Is a shame to waste the ammo, though.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28206564 - 02/27/23 10:04 AM (10 months, 24 days ago)

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Kryptos said:
Well, I can only remember one mass shooter that was also trained infantry, and that was the cop killer in...Detroit or something?

Just like bombs, the kind of people that know how to do it right are generally not the kind of people doing the random shootings.



What dewd something like 1/3 of all mass shooters are military trained including the first modern mass shooter the Texas bell tower shooter or the 1949 Camden NJ rampage and early shooters like racist black panther Mark Essex who went on a multi-day rampage and used a very smart rifle a ruger .44 magnum a semi automatic gas operated rotating bolt rifle to "kill honkies" in 1973 and was basically only stopped because he ran out of ammo and ran out from his roof top cover where he was shot from a helicopter by police sharpshooters to commit suicide with only two rounds left.


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